| Author | Message | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: Forum on 1967 Israeli attack called anti-Semitic |
| Anybody who criticized Israel is automatically "anti-Semitic". SOS , nothing gets these anti-American Israeli Firsters more bent out of shape than their lies about the USS Liberty being exposed and honestly discussed.
Read the description of the event in previous posted articles here. "Less than 50 people showed up", etc. Not a mention of any of this just 'official propaganda'. Israel isn't worth it and fuck these Israeli Firsters.
Forum on 1967 Israeli attack called anti-Semitic
By Jane Lerner
The Journal News • September 28, 2008
http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809280368
SUFFERN - Many Rockland residents walked out of a forum yesterday on the mistaken bombing of a U.S. spy ship more than 40 years ago, accusing the group holding the talk of fomenting anti-Semitism in a largely Jewish community just days before the start of the Jewish new year.
More than 100 people attended the forum at the Suffern Free Library - many leaving in anger before the talk ended.
The forum was ostensibly a discussion of the attack on the USS Liberty, which was in waters off the coast of Israel during the Six-Day War in 1967. But many attending the forum said it was a thinly veiled attack on American Jews and the state of Israel.
"Their real agenda is, 'Why is Israel allowed to exist at all,' " said Helga Pamm of Suffern as she left the meeting in disgust. "It's pure anti-Semitism."
Others asked why the group went to Suffern in the town of Ramapo, which has a large Jewish population, on a Saturday - the Jewish Sabbath - just before tomorrow night's start of the most important observance of the year.
"They just want to cause trouble," said Aaron Kramer, a Korean War veteran from Monsey.
Others said they found the forum thought-provoking.
"I was very impressed," said Bob Davidson, who said he drove from his home in Dutchess County to hear the talk. "Obviously, the American people were never told the truth about what happened. We need a congressional investigation to get to the bottom of this. I want answers."
The veterans who sponsored the forum will speak this morning at Memorial United Methodist Church in White Plains and this afternoon at the Fellowship of Reconciliation in Upper Nyack.
The Suffern forum was punctuated by angry outbursts including calls that the organizers were liars and were portraying half-truths as facts. At times, as many as six Suffern police officers were in the hallway outside.
Forum organizers, including Rich Siegel, told the audience that they could not ask questions during the presentation. Instead, they were instructed to write questions on cards collected by forum organizers to be read at the end.
Many objected.
"So you can say whatever you want and no one can challenge you?" one man called out to loud applause.
Two men who said they were on the Liberty when it was attacked on June 8, 1967, the fourth day of the Six-Day war, gave their accounts of what happened and why they didn't think it was an accident.
The Liberty, a technical research ship, was bombed by Israeli warplanes in what both the Israeli and U.S. governments said after investigations was a case of mistaken identity during the confusion of war. The attack killed 34 Liberty crew members and wounded 171.
The Israel government apologized for the attack and paid reparation to the U.S. government and victims' families. Israel and the United States have always been strong allies.
Some American groups -including the organizers of yesterday's forum - contend that the attack was a result of a government conspiracy that has yet to be brought to light. But they offered no conclusive reason why Israel would purposely attack its strongest ally.
"The attack was not an accident," said speaker Rocky Sturman, who said he was on the Liberty during the attack. "It was deliberate."
One of the speakers, Ernie Gallo, who also said he was on the Liberty during the attack, told the audience that both governments lied about the incident.
"It appears to us that Americans aboard the crew of the USS Liberty were sacrificed to the Israelis," Gallo said.
He then told the audience - most of whom said they were Jewish - that if Jews put their allegiance to Israel first, they should leave America.
"So anyone who supports Israel should leave America?" shouted Walter Greenberg of Airmont, a Holocaust survivor who said he was so upset by the group that he left the room.
"They are really using code words to say that Jews are second-class citizens," he said as he left.
Gallo said Israeli forces were aware that they were firing on a U.S. ship.
"We were safe target practice for the IDF (Israel Defense Forces)," he said, adding that the attack on the Liberty was part of a larger pattern of conspiracies in the Middle East.
"The attack was a microcosm of what happened in June 1967," Gallo said. "Something diabolical changed at that time."
To prove their contention that the U.S. government was involved in a cover-up, Gallo and Sturman said they and other survivors were prevented by the government from asking questions in public about the incident.
"Like you're preventing us from asking questions now," an audience member said to cheers.
Many in the audience said they were angry that the library allowed the group to use the room.
"What's going to be next?" said Dan Kwilecki of Montebello. "A meeting of the American Nazi Party?"
Reach Jane Lerner at jlerner@lohud.com or 845-578-2458. | |  | | Fokke | | Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:45 am Post subject: |
| The concept of anti semitism just is a jewish trick to silence any criticism on jews, or on Israel.
Jewry succeeded in giving the word 'anti semitism' the meaning that anyone who criticises jews, jewry, or Israel is either mentally ill or is a criminal.
That not all jews are nice people is an idea that is taboo.
Jewry does not understand that more than sixty years of jewish terror against the Palestinians has made it obvious to most people in this world that not all jews are nice people, that jews are capable of ruthless deeds.
Alas the myth of the jew as eternal innocent victim always and everywhere is so part of the jewish identity that any discussion about jewish crimes with jews has become impossible.
Where discussion is impossible there will be violence.
We see this in the ME.
USA high court judge Brandeis openly said that the first loyalty of a jew is towards jews.
This in fact automatically makes jews traitors in any country except Israel | | | | outsider | | Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject: |
| @ Fokke:
To lump all Jews together is like lumping all Americans together - do you feel you are responsible for all the crimes America has committed since it's inception? And believe me, if you check out histories like 'A Peoples History of America' by Howard Zinn, you'll see America has been 'at it' almost from the outset. Naked, unadulterated greed for land and raw materials.
Israel (and of course, AIPAC) are run by evil people, just as are the US, UK, Russia, China and so on almost ad infinitum (there are a few half-way decent people, like the Castros, Evo Morales, Hugo Chavez, who put their people first, and strive towards a just social order. Many of course have been assassinated, or died in aircraft or other 'accidents', like Patrice Lumumba or the leader of Mozambique, whose name escapes me at present).
The 'people' who rule us are almost always evil; so why do we elect them? They're good conmen; they have the media onside; they can cause financial collapse or 'terrorist attacks' (like the protection rackets of Al Capone or the much-less significant Krays in the UK, they cause a problem, then offer to 'protect' us); and, unfortunately, most of us are mugs (or sheep, if you wish). 'The foolish sheep chooses it's own butcher'; well, if we fail, make no mistake Dybold's voting machines will correct our waywardness.
Re 'Alas the myth of the jew as eternal innocent victim always and everywhere is so part of the jewish identity that any discussion about jewish crimes with jews has become impossible' just is not true; there are many brave Israelis, and Jews in the diaspora, who support the rights of Palestinians, and condemn in no uncertain terms Israel's crimes (just one example is the veteran British Member of Parliament, Gerald Kaufmann, who called the leaders of Irael 'War Criminals' for what they did in Gaza recently.
Attack the culprits, not the whole of Jewry, anymore than the whole of Christendom for the Crusades, Inquisiiiition, carving up South America between Spain and Portugal (with all thet entailled) etc.
I know Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty, knowing it was a US ship; I also fully believe the the evil crook LBJ was in on the attack, but be that as it may, I know damn well most of the posters on this forum will agree it was a 'slam dunk' deliberate attempt, not just to attack the ship, but to sink it and leave no survivors. | | | | funglefoot | | Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject: |
| | The stamp of 'anti-semitism' is applied to anything and everything that is critical of the MisStake of Israel or of the Jewish people. They are after all God's Chosen People, though quite recently He allowed SIX MILLION of them to be wiped out. I suppose it is a case of chiding those whom you love best... | | | | hateliars | | Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject: |
| | There weren't six million Jews in all of Europe at the start of WWII and after the war 3.5 million applied for reparations. Do the math. The ones who did die in the camps were sent there by the Zionists. Anyone not willing to go to Palestine and die for the elite was considered expendible. | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
