| Author | Message | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: Cristol makes appearance in Israel, won't meet with crew |
| The secretive and cowardly "dual Jew" Ahron Jay Critol can go to Israel and pontificate his apology duplicitous story but this cited supposed "agent for Israel" has still never met or had an open discourse with a single surviving member of the USS Liberty crew or family. He hides and avoids them until every anniversary he pops up from nowhere to celebrate the murders. Still cites his discredited out of print "Liberty Apologist Manual". He was never there, is a never appointed by the Senate Federal bankruptcy judge who never saw a shot in military serve a shot fired in combat. He mischaracterized, misrepresented, lied and fabricated his "official apologist " story still used by the usual suspects to avoid sunshine and perpetuate the cover up. He has yet to defend its critics. He has no other choice as his version is unsustainable. These are the "dual citizens" Jews of America, Israel first and forever. All costs, all lies, no benefits
US judge to IDF: Learn lessons of 'Liberty'
Jul. 24, 2008
Yaakov Katz , THE JERUSALEM POST
It happened more than 41 years ago, but the IDF is still eager to learn lessons from the case of mistaken identity that resulted in the Israel Air Force bombing the USS Liberty during the Six Day War.
On June 8, 1967, the IAF bombed the US Navy technical research ship they believed to be an Egyptian military supply boat, killing thirty-four sailors and injuring over 150.
At the request of OC Navy V.-Adm. Eliezer Marom, Judge A. Jay Cristol, who sits on the US federal bench in Florida, this week addressed several hundred Israeli naval officers on the lessons that can be drawn from the incident.
Seventy-nine-year-old Cristol, himself an enthusiastic pilot, is the author of The Liberty Incident, a 2002 book on the disaster. In the book, Cristol concludes that the bombing was accidental and Israel had mistakenly identified the Liberty as an Egyptian ship. His findings are disputed by some who claim that Israel knew the ship was American and bombed it nevertheless.
Since the publication of his book, Cristol has come under fire from anti-Israel Web sites and media outlets that, he said, use the Liberty incident as part of a propaganda campaign aimed at souring Israeli-US relations. He has concluded that Saudi Arabia is funding the campaign.
(No mention what oever of the USS Liberty survivors and their criticisms, after all they aren't relevant in his Ziion mindest. - whoddathunkit?)
In his lectures in Ashdod and Haifa this week, Cristol recounted the events leading up to the tragic mistake and asked his audience to learn the right lessons in order to prevent further foul-ups.
"By reviewing the blunders in the tragic friendly-fire incident they can avoid shooting at their own forces or attacking a friend in the future," he said.
"The main problems were with communication and identification. This has happened in every war in Israeli history."
Marom is not the only senior IDF official to have recently referred the Liberty mistake, which is still an open wound in Israeli military circles. IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi discussed the incident with the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Michael Mullen during his visit to Tel Aviv last month. The attack on the Liberty was cited by the two as the type of incident that needed to be avoided in any future military operations in the region.
This article can also be read at http://www.jpost.com /servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331092525&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull | |  | | snowqueen | | Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: |
| | Wish I hadn't read this it made me sick to my stomach. | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: |
| Wish I hadn't read this it made me sick to my stomach.
Think how the USS Liberty surviving crew members and their families feel after 41 years of being ignored, smeared, called "anti-Semitic" and "haters", unable to even tell their version of the story by their attackers and forsaken by their own government. Think how they felt by this apologist clown getting media exposure and they are still ignored and forsaken. Read the story again, the survivirs are never even mention , this from a nation of Holocaust, Inc screaming "never forget", give me money while they essentially tell the Liberty survivors "Get over it".
Show me one Jew who has ever stood up for the USS Liberty? And as to MvNamara and his ilk, I hope he dies a miserable painful death.
E-mail Jim Ennes at the Liberty site. They have their own association network and they always appreciate a kind word of support and remembrance. God knows their government and Israel and their apologists don't give a damn.
It's the main reason I can't stand or support Israel, not for the events of June 8, 1967, duplicitous illegal crap and plots and stupidity happens and is done by governments world wide. It's the way they have treated the Liberty survivors and families that is the most hideous. And the US government isn't far behind.
If Israel got nuked off the planet I'd care as much about it as the Israelis care about the USS Liberty survivors. Not a thing.
Let them reap what they sow while they preach their Jewish Humanity fables and ethics. | | | | snowqueen | | Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | Think how the USS Liberty surviving crew members and their families feel after 41 years of being ignored, smeared, called "anti-Semitic" and "haters", unable to even tell their version of the story by their attackers and forsaken by their own government. |
No I can't even imagine. The suffering and pain that these men and their families have gone through for the last 41 years is unimaginable to me.
| Quote: | | Show me one Jew who has ever stood up for the USS Liberty? |
I have to say I do know more than one, but they're Americans first and foremost.
| Quote: | And as to MvNamara and his ilk, I hope he dies a miserable painful death.
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Along with Cristol?
| Quote: | E-mail Jim Ennes at the Liberty site. They have their own association network and they always appreciate a kind word of support and remembrance. God knows their government and Israel and their apologists don't give a damn.
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I'll do that.
| Quote: | It's the way they have treated the Liberty survivors and families that is the most hideous. And the US government isn't far behind.
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No the US Government isn't far behind. I find it the most hideous. | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | Show me one Jew who has ever stood up for the USS Liberty?
I have to say I do know more than one, but they're Americans first and foremost. |
The only thing it takes for evil and injustice to prevail is to remain silent.
| Quote: | And as to MvNamara and his ilk, I hope he dies a miserable painful death.
Along with Cristol? |
Cristol like 'the other apologists aren't American regardless of what it says on their passport. He's in Israel shilling this crap right now like a loyal son and "agent for Israel" and has never answered a single USS Liberty survivor's question. His book is in severe disrepute yet they cling to it like a holy book. IMO, he's just digging his own hole deeper and deeper for the history books like too many others. He's a phony and a fraud and a liar. The history proves it and his real ulterior motivations.
McNamara along with his role in Viet Nam is a far greater evil. He knew all along.
I'm serious about contacting as Mr. Ennes will answer any question you have or put you on to someone (who was there) who can answer any question you have. But he doesn't suffer fools so know your subject. I doubt he has the patience or tolerance to educate anyone anymore on the basics. He doesn't have to prove anything or convince doubters, he was there. They Liberty survivors have never lied. Never avoided discourse or debate, opposite opinions. Never been shown a single time to be less than honest and forthright..what more can you say?
Buy his latest version of his book "Liberty under Attack". It's still in print and is still the most definitive version of the attack. He'll autograph one for you as well. It'll will be the best book you can buy if you have never read it. Alpha, I believe D-dna and myself have all communicated with him at times. An honorable and courageous man as are all the active Liberty Association surviving veterans who just want to yell their story to the public and for the record too long denied them.
If it an accident. what is there to fear? and why do the apologists, US and Israel governments oppose it? Because it wasn't an accident.
Project Cyanide is an interesting read as well.
Note the one person who shall remain nameless who has claims to have the answers and continually apologies but still refused to confront him or even ask him a question. What does he really know then except what he's told to mimic and project?
I pray to God that one day, the men of Liberty receive public vindication and peace for all the evil and dishonesty the US government and Israel have put them through because with all truth, you can't kill it. They may never see it but I hope not.
But you are right, this is a sad story that a bastasd like Ahron Jay Cristol can get media coverage at will and the USS Liberty is still ignored for 41 years and counting. | | | | DanielDives | | Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: |
| Hi JD,
Q: I'm serious about contacting as Mr. Ennes will answer any question you have or put you on to someone (who was there) who can answer any question you have. But he doesn't suffer fools so know your subject. I doubt he has the patience or tolerance to educate anyone anymore on the basics. He doesn't have to prove anything or convince doubters, he was there. They Liberty survivors have never lied. Never avoided discourse or debate, opposite opinions. Never been shown a single time to be less than honest and forthright..what more can you say?
R: But that means facing the truth... | | | | snowqueen | | Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
| | I'm going to sit down one of these days soon and send a message to James Ennes. I won't ask him any questions though, but just send him my support from an American who at one time didn't really know much about the USS Liberty, but has learned much the last years, and thank him and the survivors for being able to get the truth out. | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
| I'm going to sit down one of these days soon and send a message to James Ennes.
I think he'd like that. Mr. Ennes is in his seventies now, his wife recently passed away. Don't wait too long. | | | | snowqueen | | Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | I think he'd like that. Mr. Ennes is in his seventies now, his wife recently passed away. Don't wait too long. |
Thank-you I won't. | | | | snowqueen | | Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
| | I typed up an email to him but it didn't go thru as far as I could tell. If anyone can provide me with another e-mail other than the one from the Liberty site it would be appreciated. | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
