| Author | Message | | Cowboy | | Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | The fact is that you haven't talked to any of the survivors are called them liars in theri face. |
What does that even mean?
The fact is, I am ythe one who goes back to the crewmembers' sworn testimony because I do not believe that they lied under oath.
You run from their testimony, and JD thinks they lied. | |  | | Cowboy | | Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:11 pm Post subject: |
| | al Jeffie wrote: | | It's a shame the IDF participants are ordered to silence and the State of Israel has said that they will not participate in any Congressional investigation. Some "accident", huh? |
Here in the real world, the US would then be guilty of every one of its friendly fire incidents being actual attacks, because that is US military policy.
Uber-patriot al Jeffie now thinks that US troops/sailors/airmen are intentional murderers.
I think it is ready for the US Congress as a Democrat. | | | | Cowboy | | Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
| | AngloThong wrote: | | Wow, some name calling and then a helpful list of alternative topics. |
The first time AT has noticed namecalling?
| Quote: | It's why there is no forum for the American victims of Iran and hezbollah, such as the 241 Americans killed in 1983, despite a court finding that Iran was responsible. ( Where's that profound sense of "justice" when it comes to them?)
It's why 9/11 has to be perverted by you to be a US perpetrated event, because the arabs are always blameless.
It's why you have selective censorship of the ideas you fear.
It's why you ignore all evidence contrary to your own preconceived conclusions. |
Interesting points that the islamoleft trivializes or avoids. | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:02 pm Post subject: |
| A second invitation to change the subject, very kind Cowboy but no thanks.
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Please sign the petition to prosecute War Criminal Tony Blair | | | | DanielDives | | Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: |
| And here you are.
Standing shoulder to shoulder.
Pretending the USS LIberty are asking for something they already had.
Well, if that's the way you treat 'your' fellow Vets, consider yourself lucky. | | | | Alpha | | | | harrietbuster | | Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: |
| What's the matter al-jeffie, are you having trouble trying to concoct a pile of crap to explain away Ennes' lie about the allegedly altered logs?
 | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: |
| Do you even have a clue about what a you are talkin about? If the lead counsel (All you've done is smear him and avoided his statement) and two crewmen that I know of and supported by the LVA that the logs and COI have been tampered with which you have never proven they were not, what does it matter what the log says? They are in disrepute.
You, who have been caught in lies. You who just said a crewmen lied while your co-apologists has claimed repeatedly that they did not. All the while ignoring the latest revelations exposed in the Trib article of course as your fealty to Israel dictates.
What you have to say is totally irrelevant and based in ignorance , a hallmark of your postings. Keep apologizing hb. Judica Semper Fidelis. | | | | harrietbuster | | Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
| Let me explain it then al-jeffie...since you do not have the intelligence to figure it out
This is per YOUR post
Ennes says that the allegedly altered logs contain "NO" mention of Israeli surveillance that he noted in the log of June 8 between 0800 and 1200.
I then took the log page from your favorite Liberty web site ( liberty.org) that you and others use endlessly, and took the image of the log page that liberty.org uses ( although they cliam that this image is of the altered log Ennes is talking about) and posted it here.
In that log, it has two notations of "unidentified aircraft" surveilling the Liberty between 0800 and 1200.
And though your low intelligence can;t grasp this, Ennes has been caught lying about what he claims was NOT in the allegedly altered logs.
It must be frustrating for you that I used Ennes' own statement and evidence of his lie from your favorite liberty web site
You're an idiot, al-jeffie. | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: |
| | harrietbuster wrote: | Let me explain it then al-jeffie...since you do not have the intelligence to figure it out
This is per YOUR post
Ennes says that the allegedly altered logs contain "NO" mention of Israeli surveillance that he noted in the log of June 8 between 0800 and 1200.
I then took the log page from your favorite Liberty web site ( liberty.org) that you and others use endlessly, and took the image of the log page thaliberty.org uses ( although they cliam that this image is of the altered log Ennes is talking about) and posted it here.
In that log, it has two notations of "unidentified aircraft" surveilling the Liberty between 0800 and 1200.
And though your low intelligence can;t grasp this, Ennes has been caught lying about what he claims was NOT in the allegedly altered logs.
It must be frustrating for you that I used Ennes' own statement and evidence of his lie from your favorite liberty web site
You're an idiot, al-jeffie. |
Jesus, go look at the deck logs and then read what Ennes said. His quote:
| Jim Ennes wrote: | "We learned later that the official deck logs for the day of the attack were also changed. I (Jim Ennes) was Officer of the Deck for the morning watch, from 0800 to 1200. During that period the ship was directly overflown on six or eight occasions, once less than 200 feet directly overhead. Before I left the bridge I completed and signed a log entry for my watch. Yet years later when I reviewed copies of that log I discovered that it had been rewritten and signed by the commanding officer with no reference to the very close surveillance we had experienced during my watch.
A statement I made for the Court describing my morning watch also vanished from the record, no doubt to support the Court's fraudulent findings.
Below are the deck logs for that period. Notice, for instance, [b]that the logs for June 8 give a complete list of deaths and injuries, all information that could not possibly have been known on June 8. The commanding officer, who signed the logs, was incapacitated and could not possibly have signed or prepared these logs on that date or for several days afterward. So they are in fact a reconstruction, prepared long after the fact. The logs for June 8 do not represent accurately the events of June 8.[/b]" |
The logs in question. http://www.ussliberty.org/lib-logs.htm
1) Where is Jim Ennes' notation and sign off and signature?
2) How could the Captain know all the injuries and deaths and list them on the date of the attack?
3) The Court of Inquiry in it's testimony and FINDINGS OF FACT:
#18. Pre-attack overflights of LIBERTY:
Unidentified aircraft circled LIBERTY at: 0850 ( 5 hours 13 minutes prior to attack)
(080742Z refers) 1056 ( 3 hours 7 minutes prior to attack)
1126 ( 2 hours 37 minutes prior to attack)
#22. Groups of up to two and three jet and propeller
aircraft begin coming out from shore and circling ship at
altitudes ranging from 500 up to several thousand feet at
about eight hundred local on day of attack.
Golden testifies to a flyover at 1145 local in his testimony. Pg.63
O'Malley testifies to a "Israeli flying boxcar aircraft" from 1220 to 1230, pg. 68
Regardless the Court recognized as fact more incidents than than what the Captain described before the attack. In fact, the Israeli conslusions in their reports cites these as the only re-attack recon events in complete disregard to the Liberty's Finding of Facts.
Nevermind the whole issue of tampering which your Israel First mindset cannot even fathom.
And the Court mentions the "blood stained log page" in the record as well yet none of the NCOI logs show bloodstains. In fact, these logs appear not to be the original logs at all but Capt, McConagle's reconstruction of them. I can't say for certain but they are passed as the "originals" but it seems they are not. You probably think they were taking notes as well when the QM was killed and the rockets coming in.
So once again harrietbuster, you know not what you claim. You misread or misconstrued to an apologist's POV which surprises no one. You jumbled the who issue because you don't have a clue and that facts speak for themselves.
Who is lying and tell us why a Congressional investigation is unwarranted hb?
Judica Semper Fiderlis. | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
