| Author | Message | | DanielDives | | Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:03 am Post subject: |
| | "Among the saddest aspects of the Liberty story is that it brings out of hiding a phalanx of die-hard Liberty opponents who exhaust themselves trying to disprove our eyewitness accounts and experiences. A. Jay Cristol was allowed over 1500 words to attempt to discredit Genrich's 500. I have even less space to respond, so this must be brief and incomplete. I was a lieutenant on the bridge of USS Liberty for several hours up to and during the early minutes of the attack. Although wounded early, I remained awake, alert, and in touch with my men throughout. Among other things, it was obvious from the extended, prolonged, close attack on our clearly marked ship that this was no accident. Other evidence collected later confirmed that impression as did intercepts of the attacking pilots who clearly knew they were attacking an American ship. Contrary to Cristol's false claim, numerous US officials including Secretary of State Dean Rusk, JCS Chairman Tom Moorer and the senior officers of all of the US intelligence agencies have reported that the attack was deliberate. Cristol seeks to discredit our eyewitness accounts by maligning our motives and falsely claiming Arab financing and influence. Contrary to Cristol's false claims, the Liberty Veterans Association was organized by Master Chief Stan White and myself with no help from former Congressmen or anyone else. Just paying the phone bills for this effort was a strain on both our household budgets. We had no financial support of any kind, and certainly no Arab money. Cristol's little essay leans heavily on what he calls the Navy Court of Inquiry transcript. He neglects to mention that the Court's own legal counsels swears that the transcript was illegally changed in Washington after it was signed. Key testimony including my own was blocked from the record or removed. (See www.ussliberty.org/bostondeclaration.pdf ) Cristol likens the attack to friendly fire. Secretary of State Dean Rusk said of this case, "Accidents do not occur through repeated attacks by surface vessels and aircraft . . . . (this attack) involved combined forces. The ship was flying an American flag. . . . . I did not accept the Israeli explanation." See www.ussliberty.org/supporters.htm for the full statement and others by senior US officials who dispute the Cristol view. Cristol claims that several congressional investigations have concluded that the attack was an accident. False. The Librarian of Congress reported on July 26, 2006, that there has never been a Congressional investigation. See www.ussliberty.org/thebiglie.htm. Liberty survivors offer $10,000 cash to anyone who can prove that there was. Neither Cristol nor anyone else has applied for that award. See www.ussliberty.org/challenge.htm. If Cristol's story were true, that would seem an easy way to make a few payments on his Mercedes. The false accounts of our opponents illustrate once again why we survivors have sought for forty years to have a full, complete, open investigation where we may testify under oath. Catch us in a lie and we go to jail. We are prepared to take that risk. Our opponents fear giving us that opportunity. Our story is true. Cristol's is not. James Ennes" | |  | | Cowboy | | Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: |
| I am the only one here who has slearly said that the crew did not lie under oath. You refuse to make such a statement.
Did Chief Radioman Smith lie under oath?
Did Chief Thompson lie under oath?
You refuse to answer because you believe they lied under oath.
What is the point of yet another investigation if you believe that the crewmembers are willing to lie under oath?
And I answered one of the widow's questions. You continue to divert from that because the facts remain inconvenient for you. | | | | DanielDives | | Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:16 am Post subject: |
| Cristol claims that several congressional investigations have concluded that the attack was an accident. False.
The Librarian of Congress reported on July 26, 2006, that there has never been a Congressional investigation.
See www.ussliberty.org/thebiglie.htm.
Liberty survivors offer $10,000 cash to anyone who can prove that there was.
Neither Cristol nor anyone else has applied for that award. See www.ussliberty.org/challenge.htm. If Cristol's story were true, that would seem an easy way to make a few payments on his Mercedes.
The false accounts of our opponents illustrate once again why we survivors have sought for forty years to have a full, complete, open investigation where we may testify under oath. Catch us in a lie and we go to jail. We are prepared to take that risk. Our opponents fear giving us that opportunity. Our story is true. Cristol's is not.
James Ennes | | | | Cowboy | | Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: |
| I am the only one here who has slearly said that the crew did not lie under oath. You refuse to make such a statement.
Did Chief Radioman Smith lie under oath?
Did Chief Thompson lie under oath?
You refuse to answer because you believe they lied under oath.
What is the point of yet another investigation if you believe that the crewmembers are willing to lie under oath?
And I answered one of the widow's questions. You continue to divert from that because the facts remain inconvenient for you. | | | | DanielDives | | Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: |
| The Librarian of Congress reported on July 26, 2006, that there has never been a Congressional investigation.
See www.ussliberty.org/thebiglie.htm.
Liberty survivors offer $10,000 cash to anyone who can prove that there was.
Neither Cristol nor anyone else has applied for that award. See www.ussliberty.org/challenge.htm. | | | | Cowboy | | Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
| Did Chief Radioman Smith lie under oath?
Did Chief Thompson lie under oath?
You refuse to answer because you believe they lied under oath.
What is the point of yet another investigation if you believe that the crewmembers are willing to lie under oath?
And I answered one of the widow's questions. You continue to divert from that because the facts remain inconvenient for you. | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
| What it is about is truth and facts.
THE NCOI is tainted and sworn as such by its first legal counsel. You oppose any and all investigations into settling the matter.
You say you support the crew's testimony yet the LAV which they are all a part of want an honest first time investigation.
You oppose the LVA, a Congressional investigations and the crew and families.
You oppose the truth and facts from coming forth as there can be only one version and your posts prove it. the heavily disputed official cover-up story and nothing more
Yoy are an Israeli fifth columnist, a hater of Navy veterans, a fool, a toady and lackey of AIPAC, a fraud, a troll and a liar. | | | | DanielDives | | | | Cowboy | | Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:10 am Post subject: |
| Did Chief Radioman Smith lie under oath?
Did Chief Thompson lie under oath?
You refuse to answer because you believe they lied under oath.
What is the point of yet another investigation if you believe that the crewmembers are willing to lie under oath?
And I answered one of the widow's questions. You continue to divert from that because the facts remain inconvenient for you. | | | | DanielDives | | Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: |
| Q: And I answered one of the widow's questions.
R: Really?
The USS Liberty, the crew, the survivors, and their families.
Open days in court is all they ask for.
You won't allow them to have it.
Be a good boy and tell us why, Judas? | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
