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Ilana_Halevy · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:51 am Post subject:

You divert toopic from Liberty to aid, hense you admit your difeat.

If you want to discuss aid open separate topic, I will kick your ass there.

funglefoot · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:20 am Post subject:

Cowboy · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:36 pm Post subject:

C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 no malice; attack a mistake

U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 mistaken identity

Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 no evidence ship was known to be American

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 no merit to claims attack was intentional

National Security Agency 1981 Mistaken identity

House Armed Services Cmtee 1991/1992 No support for claims attack was intentional

funglefoot · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject:

CLOSED SESSION does not equal OPEN COURT never has, never will do.

Cowboy · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject:

Closed session was quite sufficient and in addition to the other investigations.

funglefoot · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject:

Quite sufficient for an efficient cover-up

Cowboy · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject:

Go read the transcript.

Then go get a a motive for the Israelis to intentionally attack a US Navy ship.

funglefoot · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject:

Read it.

Israel did not want a pair of ears listening in on their war secrets and those activities that were less than legitimate.

Proof of motive is not necessary for a conviction.

You're just a fucking time waster Cowboy. You lost now get used to it.

Jefferson Davis · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject:

dangerousdna · Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:12 am Post subject:

ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY

By Dr. E.A. Richards

I. THE UNDISPUTABLE EVENTS OF 8 JUNE, 1967
At 11:32 am the USS Liberty, a sophisticated intelligence gathering vessel,
commanded by Captain William L. McGonagle, was 15.5 miles north of the Sinai,
and east of El Arish, Egypt, adjacent to the 12 mile limit off Egyptian
waters, cruising in an easterly direction.
Just before 2:00 pm, the Liberty was north of the Bardawil Peninsula, still
outside Egyptian territorial waters. In morning hours, Israeli reconnaissance planes had circled the Liberty several times, ostensibly taking photographs,
and other surveillance Israeli aircraft, including one slow-moving propeller-
driven craft, were in the area at that time.
Without any warning, the Liberty was attacked by Israeli fighter planes and
torpedo boats while she lay in quiet waters off Bardawil. The United States
naval vessel was machine-gunned repeatedly, and took 81 hits from aircraft
rocket and cannon fire and a direct hit midships from a torpedo fired by one
of the Israeli torpedo boat attack squadron.
Thirty four American sailors were killed in the dastardly attack, and more
than 150 were wounded.

II. REPORTS FROM LIBERTY PERSONNEL.
Lt. Richard F. Kiepher, a USS Liberty medical officer, wrote this to his
mother: "We were cruising along, and it was a beautiful day under clear
skies and the men were commenting about the Mediterranean pleasure cruise and what
fine day it was for swimming. I heard the first explosion and then the jets
were raking the decks with machine gun and rocket fire.
"Our .50 caliber machine guns, which are our only armament, had a chance to
return some small fire before another wave of jets knocked out the gun mounts
and destroyed all the lifeboats and life-rafts."
Kiepher wrote that when fires broke out, and crews attempted to put them out,
the men were cut down by the strafing Israeli aircraft. Keipher himself was
shot in the leg, his kneecap shattered, but in spite of the wound he set up an
emergency hospital in the mess hall, as the sick bay was knocked out by four
direct hits. He treated wounded sailors there for 18 hours straight.
He told his mother of an extraordinary act of heroism by Lt. Jim Pierce, who
secured a flood-hold hatch so as to keep the ship from sinking; Lt. Pierce had to
secure the hatch from inside the hold, thus staying inside the flooding
compartment.
Joseph C. Lentini said this: "There was no way the Israelis could have
mistaken the Liberty for an Egyptian ship. The hull was distinctively
American, the lettering on the ship was English and not Arabic." He said the
US flag was flying when the Israeli planes made their advance surveillance,
and it flew during the attack.
"The firing was too precise to be a spontaneous target-of-opportunity attack,"
Lentini went on, "The Israelis shot out the black boxes controlling the guns,"
noting, "precise fire such as that could only have come after the aerial
photos taken by the Israelis had been carefully studied.
"Moshe Dayan lied when he said the Israelis realized it was a mistake when
they saw a life raft with "U.S. Navy" on it, and that is when the attack
stopped. It stopped a few seconds after a United States aircraft carrier
finally received instructions from Washington to send American aircraft to the
rescue of the Liberty."
Captain McGonagle was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for his
command of the Liberty during the attack; Lt. George Golden, the ship's engineering officer, was given the Silver Star for his efforts to keep the crippled ship afloat and under power.

III. ISRAELI STATEMENTS.
After US jet fighters had been launched from the air craft carrier, and the
unmarked Israeli planes had fled, the Israeli government called the US naval
attache from the US Embassy to notify him that the Israeli air force had
attacked the USS Liberty "by accident" thinking it was an Arab ship, and
offering its abject apologies. United Press International Reporter Bill Small
said that Menachim Begin stated, "Anyway we can defy the American
Congress and it will go along."

IV. OFFICIAL INQUIRIES INTO THE ATTACK
Lyndon Johnson was president when the Naval Board on Inquiry investigated the
attack on the Liberty, and appeared to have made certain that the hearings
were highly classified. The only public information concerning the hearings
came out in a summary which made the statement that the attack was
"unprovoked."
When Adlai Stevenson was chairman of the Senate Select Subcommittee on the
Collection and Production of Intelligence in 1980, he wanted to conduct
hearings dealing with the Israeli attack on the Liberty, even though that same
subcommittee had voted in secret not to investigate. Barry Goldwater also
requested the same hearings, but the request was "shot down" by a majority of
his senate committee members. Neither Stevenson nor Goldwater believed that
the Liberty attack was accidental.

V. STIFLING THE CREW MEMBERS.
Members of the Liberty crew were transferred to stations far apart from one
another after the incident. Investigative reporters attempted to interview
some of the crew, but the crewmen located said they had been ordered not to
breathe a word about the attack to anyone, that they were afraid to talk even
if their names were not used, especially those still in service as of 1976.
They said they feared for their jobs, their families, and some, their lives.

VI. QUESTIONS STILL UNANSWERED.
A number of questions still have not been answered concerning the incident,
for example:
1. Why did the government of the United States order the officers and crew
of the USS Liberty to remain silent about the incident under implied penalty?
If the attack had come from an Arabian state the hearings would have come thick and fast.
2. Why did one member of the crew consent to a an interview with expenses
fully paid, then back out? His mother said she "didn't want him to end up with
a bullet in his back."
3. In 1976 it was reported that the secret findings of the Naval Board of
Inquiry included the comment that the Israeli attack was deliberate. Why are
certain elements of the report, and their conclusions still suppressed by the
government and almost all of the media?
4. Why were 6th Fleet Phantom jets ordered by McNamara, Rostow, and the White House to halt a planned retaliatory strike on the Haifa torpedo base from
where the attackers came?
5. Israeli officials admitted later that they knew an American naval vessel
was operating off the Sinai coast; why didn't they pass on that information
to the planes and PT boats that attacked the Liberty, unless the attack was
planned?
6. Why did Senators Javits, Kennedy, and Ribicoff come out with alibis for
Israel within hours of the attack? Javits said the attack was a "tragic
fall-out of war and that the incident would have been a lot more dangerous in
its implications if it had been caused by the Soviet or Arab forces. With
Israel, we know it was a mistake."
7. Why wasn't the Israeli attack met by US aircraft immediately? When
Captain Joe Tully of the Saratoga was informed of the attack by a Liberty
radioman, he sent four A-1 aircraft to the rescue. Tully notified Admiral Martin
of the attack and Martin ordered both the Saratoga and the America to help out.
Within a few minutes, Rear Admiral Lawrence R. Geis, commander of Carrier
Task Force 60, ordered the immediate withdrawal of the Saratoga's planes. For the next 90 minutes, the White House and the Defense Department "discussed"
options, finally ordering another rescue attempt, at which time the Israelis
withdrew and "apologized."
(It was later found that Robert McNamara had personally recalled the planes
that had been sent to help the Liberty)
8. After the attack ceased, why did the Liberty have to wait 16 hours before
another American ship arrived? There was a Soviet ship hove to that offered
assistance, but her help was refused.
9. A crewman on an American submarine in the battle area during the attack
stated that sub personnel took motion pictures of the attack on the Liberty,
through the periscope. Why didn't the sub radio the 6th fleet for help. If
the story is true, and the evidence is that the reporting sub crewman had no
reason to lie about the incident, where then are the motion pictures?

VII. POSSIBLE REASONS FOR THE ISRAELI ATTACK.
1. One view has it that the Israelis did not want the US to know they were
massing troops along the Golan Heights and the West Bank for fear the US
would bring pressure on them to halt the operation.
2. Another view states that there was a high-jacked freighter nearby which was
filled with uranium stolen from the US, which would subsequently be used to
make the Israeli nuclear weapons. And if the uranium report was untrue, where
DID Israel get the nuclear material for their atomic weapons?
III. REPARATIONS.
Some angry members of Congress called for an inquiry and reparations from
Israel in the amount of $26 million, far short of the $40 million it had taken to build
the Liberty, which was so badly damaged it had to be scrapped. Just
after Reagan had beaten Carter in the 1980 elections, the Israeli ambassador
met with Walter Mondale, then V.P., and the two concluded an agreement to
reduce the US damage claim for $26 million to $6 million, with the understanding
that it could be "paid later," after arrangements had been made to give Israel the money to do so.
Carter announced his approval of the settlement in a press release on December
18th, 1980, just 32 days before Reagan became president. The title of the
release was, "The Book is Now Closed on the USS Liberty Affair."
But was it closed? In September, 1980, the Atlantic magazine contained an
8000 word article which completely white-washed the criminally overt Israeli
attack and subsequent cover-up actions. It was produced by Zeev Schiff, a
senior associate of the "Carnegie Endowment for International Peace," a group
once headed by Soviet agent Alger Hiss, along with Hirsh Goodman, a
correspondent of the Jerusalem Post, which is owned and controlled by the
family of unionist Lane Kirkland, who is a trustee of the Rockefeller
Foundation and who was one of Walter Mondale's closest friends and sponsors.
The authors began by saying that the Israel government gave them full access
to the secret "naval and air-defense archives and transcripts of two internal
Defense force investigations which remain classified."
In the two paragraphs concluding the article, the authors state that originally
Israel refused a demand of the United States for compensation for damages
to the "Liberty" because "it did not accept the contention that it alone was
responsible for the circumstances leading to the attack."
The article goes on: "The question of damages has bounced back and forth
over the (past twenty) years with no results. Finally, in January of 1980, Israel
agreed to negotiate a settlement, but none has been negotiated to this day."
This was in mid-1984.

IX. ISOLATED INCIDENT?
In 1976, an American reconnaissance spy plane was flying a sweep over middle
east territory; whether it was over Israeli-claimed land is unknown, but the
mission did confirm that Israel did have at least 13 nuclear weapons of 20
kiloton intensity.
Tape recordings made by US Government listening posts reported the following
conversations:
Israeli Pilot: "I have it on my radar, it is an SR-71 American Blackbird.
Isreali Air Force Commander: "Down it."
But the American craft easily out climbed and outdistanced the Israeli
pursuers, unlike the two civilian transports, with passengers, that the Israelis
shot down long before the Soviet kill of flight 007.
X. ANTHONY PEARSON.
Anthony Pearson is a British journalist who made an in-depth study of the
events of the 1967 war, including tracking down and interviewing many of the
survivors. Here are some of his conclusions:
1. The United States had prior knowledge of and approved the Pearl Harbor-like
attack of Egypt in June of 1967. It, too, wanted to get rid of President
Gamel Nasser and also minimize Russian influence in the Middle East.
2. It was made very clear to the Israelis before the attack that they should
only fight Syria, if it was impossible to do otherwise, and for no reason
could they attack Jordan. The US knew of the emotional aftermath that would
engulf the Arab world after such a defeat and did not want to lose Jordan as
an ally.
3. After Israel became aware of the scope of its sneak victory - destroying
80% of the Egyptian Air Force on the ground - it became greedy and decided
it could take Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Golan with little resistance if the
opportunity arose. That opportunity presented itself quickly.
4. President Nassar radioed King Hussein in Jordan to advise him to stay out
of the battle since all was lost because of his shattered Air Force. The
Israelis intercepted this message and scrambled it so it would not reach
Hussein. At the same time it sent a faked message in a Nassar-like voice
telling Hussein "the moment of the Arab triumph had arrived, that the Egyptian
forces were routing Israeli forces in the Sinai and that Jordan should attack
Israel immediately to share in this glorious triumph."
5. The Israeli plan was brilliant and worked like a charm. Jordan did
attack, but history shows Israel was prepared and finished them off easily.
6. The only fly in the ointment was the USS Liberty. It had such
sophisticated electronic surveillance equipment aboard that it could beam 600
miles inland and even pick up individual tank commanders on either side. The
"Liberty" would know that the Israelis had used a trick not only to bait
Jordan and get Jerusalem, but purposely go against a policy of a country which
had made its victory over Egypt possible. It was necessary in Israeli
thinking to get rid of that annoying "fly." So they tried to swat it.
7. The USS Liberty and the 285 Americans aboard were ordered expendable. A
coordinated attack by the Israeli Air Force and Navy was ordered, with the
command decision deeming it absolutely necessary to kill all personnel and
then to blame the attack on Egypt.
End of comments by Anthony Pearson.

XI. Stephen Green.
In his book, "Taking Sides: America's Secret Relations with a Militant
Israel," Stephen Green reported the following:
1. Israel had the arrogance to order the US ship to leave the international
waters and warned, several times, that it would attack the ship if she
remained. (The question is, whom did Israel warn?)
2. The attack was with unmarked aircraft. Israel expected to sink the ship
after killing her communications system. Israel could then blame the attack
on Egypt. (The warnings could then be denied as "unauthorized" and
"something we would never really do.")
3. One of the six shore circuits survived the Israeli attack long enough for
the Liberty to communicate its distress. But the defense department (Robert
Strange McNamara) ordered American vessels not to come to the aid of the
Liberty.
4. The night before the attack, Israel had ordered the US government to
remove the ship or it would be attacked. The DOD then told the Liberty
to change course, but the messages never reached the ship.
5. Within 15 minutes US planes from the Saratoga were en route to the
Liberty. Their presence would have cut off the attack by the Israelis, limited the
damages, and save many American lives. They were recalled.
6. Evidence of the Israeli plan to leave no survivors was compelling. The
lifeboats were shot out of the water and the lifeboats still on the vessel
were shot full of holes.
7. Green said after a discussion of his book at the National Press Club, and
repeated it in a subsequent telephone interview, that "Official Washington
had immediate knowledge that the attack was deliberate, even while pronouncing it
a tragic mistake, and the amazing uninterest of the establishment press was
part of the biggest cover-up in history.
End of quotes from Stephen Green.
XII. JIM ENNES.
Lt. James Ennes' book, Assault on the Liberty, is the more well-known of the
Liberty incident publications and has already been quoted extensively. Most
of his book corroborates Green and Pearson in his description of weather
conditions, circumstances of the attack, and the media cover-up after the fact.

XIII. Summary.
1. Much of the information on the cowardly attack on the USS Liberty by the
forces of Israel has been garnered through the Freedom of Information Act;
however, one of the researchers of the attack, E. H. Sharp, who has collected
huge files of data on the incident, was denied access to nine key documents,
about 48 pages of critical material.
2. Sharp stated that, no full official record of the attack, none of the
alleged failures of communication before and after the attack, none of the
data describing the heroic defense of the Liberty by its personnel, or of the
rescue attempt, has ever been given or even made available to the American
people.
3. Sharp said in 1981, "Attempts to piece the full story together through the
Freedom of Information Act have been frustrated by the government."
4. One line in a Newsweek article said, "Some high Washington officials
suspect that the attack might not have been accidental."
5. A CIA observer in the US Embassy in Tel Aviv, reported that on the
afternoon of 7 June 1967 the Israeli leaders had decided to sink the
USS Liberty if it came near what they considered the "war zone."

XIV. Aftermath.
1. The brave American Naval Officer, Lt. George Golden, the Silver Star
recipient, who also happens to be of Jewish faith, has become the unofficial
leader of the USS Liberty survivors group. All of the group steadfastly agree
on one fact, the attack by Israel was a deliberate attempt to sink the Liberty
and kill all those aboard, and that the attack was halted only with the
approach of American planes.
George Golden has been working with a California businessman, Norman E.
Wallen, who has formed a limited partnership in order to provide
pre-production effort on a feature motion picture presently titled "The
Violation of the Liberty."
Wallen said, "We have a working agreement with Japanese film producer Maru
Okuda, who wrote 'None but the Brave,' coproduced 'You Only Live Twice' with
Sean Connery as James Bond; produced 'Marco Polo" for ABC-TV in 1971, and
coproduced 'The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea.'"
"The real purpose for making the film," said Wallen, "is to allow these men
and the families of the dead men to have their story told - the part about
living, breathing people whose lives were twisted and destroyed by an
international injustice of immense proportions that has been successfully
covered up so far."
2. Reunion.
The survivors of the USS Liberty attack had a reunion which was held in 1982,
not a media event, but a reunion wherein they were to do all in their power to help bring about a motion picture which will dare to relate everything they
have been forced to keep inside them for these many years.
3. Note: As of this date, mid-1986, there have been no reports that the motion
picture describing the Liberty attack has been finished or distributed for
public viewing.

XV. Concluding Questions.
1. When is a 'war crime' not a war crime?
Answer: When the propaganda apparatus of the guilty party is able to convince
the world that the act in question was an "accident."
2. When is an individual anti-Semitic?
Answer: When he dares to question the official Israeli position as to what
really happened to the USS Liberty.

Bibliography:
Time Magazine
Newsweek
National Review
The Spotlight
NY Times
Washington Post
Books by:
Ennes: Assault on the Liberty
Green: Taking Sides
Pearson: USS Liberty
The Atlantic
Funk & Wagnalls
Britannica
Janes
Various other periodicals and newspapers discussing the subject.
Note: Contrary to what has been implied elsewhere, the Six Days War began
militarily when Israel attacked the planes of the Egyptian Air Force while the
Egyptian planes were parked next to the runways. Nasser had made no overt or
covert military attack on the Israelis; he had said Egypt would close a main
waterway to Israeli shipping, which was the excuse Israel was looking for to
attack Egypt, Syria, and Jordan in order to take over Jerusalem, the West
Bank, and the Golan Heights.

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