| Author | Message | | Edithann | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: THE LIBERTY.....BBC REPORTS...WATCH IT!! |
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Dead in the Water
During the Six-Day War, Israel attacked and nearly sank the USS Liberty belonging to its closest ally, the USA. Thirty-four American servicemen were killed in the two-hour assault by Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats.
BBC Four Investigative Report: Broadcast Saturday 17 May 2003
Video Runtime 69 Minutes
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Israel claimed that the whole affair had been a tragic accident based on mistaken identification of the ship. The American government accepted the explanation.
For more than 30 years many people have disbelieved the official explanation but have been unable to rebut it convincingly. Now, Dead in the Water uses startling new evidence to reveal the truth behind the seemingly inexplicable attack. The film combines dramatic reconstruction of the events, with new access to former officers in the US and Israeli armed forces and intelligence services who have decided to give their own version of events.
Interviews include President Lyndon Johnson's Secretary of Defence Robert McNamara, former head of the Israeli navy Admiral Shlomo Errell and members of the USS Liberty crew.
See also: Lyndon Johnson ordered cover-up: A former navy lawyer who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former president Johnson and McNamara told those heading the navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
New charges vs. Israel in '67 ship attack: Coming now, the evidence becomes part of a controversy over Israelis influence in Washington and whether it has tilted the Bush administration toward Jerusalem.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/dead_in_the_water.shtml | |  | | Cowboy | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:43 am Post subject: |
| It is ridiculous to pretend that there is no such thing as 'friendly fire', or that it only comes from Israelis.
In just modern naval history we have the following, which includes countries attacking and in some cases sinking even their own ships...
1940 - Operation Wikinger: German destroyer sunk by Luftwaffe bombs, another sunk by mines during confusion
1941 - Brit Fleet Air Arm torpedo attack on HMS Sheffield during the hunt for the German battleship Bismarck
1942 - Polish submarine ORP Jastrząb was mistakenly sunk by British destroyer HMS St. Albans and minesweeper HMS Seagull
1944 - British flotilla attacked by RAF Hawker Typhoons, off Cap d'Antifer, Le Havre. HMS Britomart and HMS Hussar sunk. HMS Salamander damaged beyond repair and scrapped. HMS Jason escaped major damage
1967 - US accidently attacks Russian ship in Haiphong Harbor, Vietnam
1968 - USS Boston, USS Edson, USCGC Point Dume, HMAS Hobart and two U.S. Swift Boats, PCF-12 and PCF-19 are attacked by US aircraft on June 17 in the Vietnam War. Several sailors were killed and PCF-19 was sunk.
1974 - Turkish Destroyer Kocatepe was sunk by Turkish aircraft during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus.
1982 - HMS Cardiff shoots down AAC Gazelle (UK) in the Falklands Islands
1992 - USS Saratoga during an no-notice exercise that included a simulated RIM-7 launch; confusion ensued, and a sailor launched into the bridge of the Turkish destroyer Muavenet killing 5.
2003 - British Royal Marine Christopher Maddison killed when his river patrol boat was hit by missiles after being wrongly identified as an enemy vessel approaching a Royal Engineers checkpoint on the Al-Faw Peninsula, Iraq. | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: |
| It is ridiculous to pretend that there is no such thing as 'friendly fire', or that it only comes from Israelis.
You are the only one who has made this idiotic assertion. Are any of those events being or were contested? No yet you bring them up as relevant. Just more of your perpetual apologist bullshit. You love Israel so much move there you fraud and fifth columnist.
All you do is post to divert and avoid. Period.
It's about the USS Liberty.
It's about injustice. It's about a FIRST TIME HONEST OPEN ACCOUNTING.
Not a single apologists has ever proven that the crew has lied. The same cannot be said for the US and Israeli governments.
Years and millions spebt investigating jizz stained dresses, affairs and monkey love of House pages but the death of 34 Americans and the unanswered questions and conflicting POV's doesn't rate an eyebrow because Israel does not want one.
No one is fooled Mr. AIPAC. No one.
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2007 will be the 40th anniversary of injustice and murder and coverup.
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Lest We Forget | | | | funglefoot | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:41 am Post subject: |
| | CB wrote: | It is ridiculous to pretend that there is no such thing as 'friendly fire', or that it only comes from Israelis.
In just modern naval history we have the following, which includes countries attacking and in some cases sinking even their own ships... |
But there has never been a case like the Liberty...
I am sure you can trot out hundreds of friendly fire incidents.
I only want ONE...
ONE that is equal in most respects to the Liberty.
ONE where the target was under aerial surveillance for 8 hours.
ONE where the target was accurately identified but subsequently lost through stupidity and recklessness.
ONE where the target was 'mistakenly' attacked for 75 minutes.
ONE where the target was 'mistakenly' attacked by both sea and air.
ONE where the target offered no resistance.
ONE where the target bore her hull identification code clearly on her bows.
ONE where the target flew two subsequent flags of her nationality.
ONE who looked uniquely 'like a lobster' with aerials, antennae and satellite dishes.
ONE who was sailing at a speed well under a fraction of that estimated by her attackers.
ONE who was so completely unlike her supposed 'double' the El Quseir. In fact the El Quseir was tied up and not sea worthy during the Six Day War, and the Israelis knew this. See Hrankowski http://www.russia.com/forums/open-board/8931-u-s-s-liberty.html
ONE who was sailing alone in an arena where the attacker enjoyed complete domination.
ONE where the attacker had absolutely unlimited opportunity to make close fly-bys to establish identity.
ONE who made no attempt at evasion or disguise.
ONE who was not in or near a theatre of battle or scene of conflict.
ONE where the target was an auxiliary ship who had been identified as such in Janes Ships by the Israelis. An auxiliary ship, as you well know is a non-combat ship.
Surely a competent military historian like yourself can come up with something that fits 'the bill of goods'. Lets sort this out on equal terms. You go and find some precedents quite like the Liberty incident and then we can discuss 'friendly fire'. But I bet you can't. This is about the third time you have posted your above quote Cowboy. When are you going to provide some meaningful evidence like something remotely like the assault on the Liberty? You can't. You're a bullshitter. You try to smother the truth with your bullshit and hope the voices will fall silent. Never, never Cowboy. No one is going to keep quiet about this until the real truth is revealed. | | | | Ilana_Halevy | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 8:44 am Post subject: |
| Another topic created by Islamists to dance on blood of sailors.
They unable to answer questions.
They unable to provide evidences.
They unable to provide motive.
They lie.
They switch topics. | | | | funglefoot | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: |
| Ill Liar cannot provide facts nor figures nor references. You are irrelevant. Why should anyone believe you...  | | | | funglefoot | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: |
| OK lets take this a step farther....
PROVE that I am an Islamist.
PROVE that I am dancing on the blood of sailors.
PROVE that I am unable to answer questions.
PROVE that I am unable to provide evidences.
PROVE that I am unable to provide motive.
But if you can't prove the above then shut up and if you can't shut up then stick a donkey's cock down your throat. Use your mouth for a benevolent cause for once.   | | | | Ilana_Halevy | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: |
| >PROVE that I am an Islamist.
You always side Islamist side. Eithet you are Islamist or Islamist firster. Same shit.
>PROVE that I am dancing on the blood of sailors.
You are using blood of sailors to attack Israel. Thats called dancing on blood.
>PROVE that I am unable to answer questions.
You failed to answer questions that I presented. You brought 3 different versions, one more stupid than another. And finally you declared that it is not important
>PROVE that I am unable to provide evidences.
You did not provide any evicence that Israel deliberately attacked Liberty.
>PROVE that I am unable to provide motive.
You did not provide it and you admited it. However yu claime dthat motive is not important.
PS. Good that you dont ask to prove that you are a liar. | | | | funglefoot | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: |
| You provide your proof by inserting your own definitions of the specific action. Anyone can do that.
You run away by omitting the questions you asked. What were they? Too scared to be thrashed again?
| Quote: | >PROVE that I am unable to provide evidences.
You did not provide any evicence that Israel deliberately attacked Liberty. |
On Thursday 8th June, 1967, at approximately 1400 hours, aircraft of the Israel Air Force attacked a vessel situated about 20 miles north-west of El-Arish, and some 14 miles off the shore of Bardawil. About half an hour later torpedo boats of the Israel Navy attacked the same vessel and hit it with a torpedo.
http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/evidence/israel/yerushalmi.html
I have provided motive many times. Lately:
Israel had achieved exactly what she wanted. The electronic ears of the Liberty were destroyed. She was no longer any use as a listening post in the Arab-Israeli 6 day war. This is what Israel feared, that some of the less than legitimate means employed by the IDF should be discovered.
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uss-liberty/2007/05/22/the-uss-liberty-and-the-onus-of-proof-page-70.php
Motive is not necessary for a conviction. This is a legal fact. Prove me wrong if you can. You can't. I have been saying the same thing for months and you have never brought any legal evidence to the contrary.
The donkey is waiting Ilana. Don't disappoint him. | | | | funglefoot | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: |
| | Ill Liar cannot provide facts nor figures nor references. You are irrelevant. Why should anyone believe you... | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
