| Author | Message | | Ilana_Halevy | | Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:05 pm Post subject: |
| | al Jeffie economical aid ends this year. Calm down you degenerate. | |  | | funglefoot | | Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:12 pm Post subject: |
| | Ill Anus wrote: | | US was providing military aid to Iraq |
First you say 'massive' now you say 'US was providing military aid to Iraq'.
But you can't say how much! Ouch! 
Whatever... It doesn't really matter. The point is that Israel gets more money from America than any other nation on earth. America has given more money to Israel than ANY nation has EVER given to ANY other nation.
How does this shitty little oasis in the desert repay this generosity?
With TREACHERY and MURDER and MAYHEM.
A lot of people are saying today that if they had known what the Israelis would be like they would have allowed Adolf Hitler to finish the job.
How do you think you earned such a reputation?
TREACHERY, MURDER AND THE ADOPTION OF NAZI SS TACTICS. | | | | Ilana_Halevy | | Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
| America was provding massive military aid to Iraq.
| Quote: | | America has given more money to Israel than ANY nation has EVER given to ANY other nation. |
The amopunt of money that America spent on protection of South Vietnam, South Korea, Western Europe is much much much more higher than aid to Israel. More over tens of thousands of US soldiers died to protect those countries. No single US soldiers died to protect Israel. | | | | funglefoot | | Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject: |
| | Ill Anus wrote: | | The amopunt of money that America spent on protection of South Vietnam, South Korea, Western Europe is much much much more higher than aid to Israel. More over tens of thousands of US soldiers died to protect those countries. No single US soldiers died to protect Israel. |
Don't come the bullshit with me Ill Anus.
Facts, figures, and references.
But you don't have any. So why should anyone believe you?....
As for no single US soldier has died to protect Israel you're just a liar, Ill Liar, 34 died on the Liberty to protect Israel's war secrets. | | | | funglefoot | | Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
| Even the Russians know about the Liberty...
http://www.russia.com/forums/open-board/8931-u-s-s-liberty.html
On June 8, 1967, 34 American sailors of the USS Liberty lost their lives serving their country. These Americans died when Israel, America’s “ally,” launched a murderous attack on the virtually unarmed American intelligence ship. To this day, many Americans are unaware that this attack even took place. Recently, PRAVDA.Ru had the opportunity to interview Mr. Hrankowski, a survivor and crew member of the USS Liberty.
THE ISRAELI ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY. MISTAKE, OR STAB IN THE BACK? THE TRUTH ABOUT AMERICA'S 'ALLY.'
Greetings Mr. Hrankowski! We at PRAVDA.Ru greatly appreciate this exclusive interview. We feel that, as a USS Liberty survivor, you are in the unique position to shed light on actually what happened and why. It is a great tragedy that 34 young American sailors died while serving their country. It is a even greater tragedy that the general public knows next to nothing about this event.
What position did you serve on the USS Liberty?
My position on the USS Liberty was in the Engineering Department. I was a boilerman. I also worked for the chief engineer in the log room office.
One of the main questions regarding this attack is whether or not the Israeli attackers knew that they were attacking an American ship. The Israelis have claimed that they misidentified the Liberty for the Egyptian horse carrier El Quseir, but it has been reported that the USS liberty flew an American flag and was distinctly marked with US markings. It is also known that slow moving recon plans flew over the USS Liberty numerous times. Is there any doubt in your mind that the Israeli military knew that they were attacking an American ship?
There is no doubt in my mind that the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was deliberate. Israel has claimed that it was a mistake and that they were firing upon an arab horse freighter. The El Quesir was the name of the Arab ship. It was tied up and not sea worthy during the Six Day War, and the Israelis knew this.
As for our Flag. All American ships fly the flag. Ours was flying until the Israelis shot it down and within seconds another was put up. It was our holiday Ensign, sized 9 feet by 13 feet.
As for the slow moving aircraft. Planes started flying over us and checking us out at 5:30am and did so 9 to 13 times until the attack at 2:00PM. There is no doubt in my mind that they knew who they were attacking.
It has been reported that the USS Saratago, responding to a SOS from the Liberty, launched jets to help the Liberty approximately 15 minutes into the Israeli attack. Why were the jets recalled? One could say that this act left American sailors to be murdered by an enemy force?
A message from the USS Liberty got to the USS Saratoga 9 minutes into the attack. The USS Saratoga launched a flight of fighters immediately and they were called back. This happened three different times throughout the attack. Robert MacNamara called them back twice, and President Johnson called them back once, saying his thoughts were not for the USS Liberty. He did not want to embarrass his ally Israel. That act did leave us to get murdered, and what it actually is called is abandonment.
Once your captain, William Loren McGonagle, realized that the Liberty was in danger of sinking, he ordered the crew to abandon ship. At this point, there were only three life rafts left that weren’t damaged. Your crew placed as many wounded into the life rafts and lowered them over the side of the Liberty. Please tell us what happened next.
The order was given by the captain to abandon ship, because he thought we were going to sink. Three life rafts were in the water, but then Israeli Torpedo boats came up to them and shot two of them up and grabbed one on the boats. That is against the Geneva Convention.
What prompted the Israelis to terminate their assault?
I'm not sure what caused them to terminate the attack, but after 2 hours, they could not sink us. I would think that their time had run out.
How long did it take for American help to arrive?
It took 16 hours for the American fleet to get to us. But that night, while we were sailing to the sixth fleet, a Soviet ship offered help to us. They said that they would stay just at the horizon and if our ship was going to go down, they would help us.
In a recent letter to President Bush, survivor Phillip F. Tourney claimed that the crew of the USS Liberty were “ordered to remain silent under threat of court martial, imprisonment, or worse, and we all know what worst meant.” Did you yourself experience such threats?
Admiral Kidd was the one who ordered us silent. That was a direct order to all of the crew. I heard it myself that day.
If what has been reported is true, the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty can only be described as deliberate. In your opinion, why did this attack take place?
As for why the Israelis attacked us, I'm not sure. I would not be able to give you a reason, because it would only be a guess. There is a new film out by the BBC called Dead in the Water. It was released in England on 6-10-02 and it gives some startling new evidence as to why the attack happened.
Has the American government considered reinvestigating the attack?
There are a few Congressional personal interested in helping us. We're hoping that they are really willing.
It would seem that this event has been covered up. Giving all the information that has come forth and the testimony of such people as Secretary of State Dean Rusk and former JCS Chairman Admiral Thomas Moorer, the version that this attack was a mistake is very hard believe, which means that it was covered up for some reason. Why, in your opinion, was such a tragic event as an attack on US sailors covered up?
You ask if the USS Liberty attack was covered up. My answer is simple: yes, it was. The question still remains today as to why. And with a Congressional Investigation, all the facts should be laid out and the reasons known.
Your commanding officer, Captain William Loren McGonagle, received the Congressional Medal of Honor for his services to his country. However, unlike tradition, when the president of the United States bestows the Congressional Medal of Honor, Captain McGonagle was awarded his medal in the Washington Navy Yard. In your opinion, why wasn’t your captain awarded the medal according to tradition?
Our Captain did receive the Congressional Medal of Honor but not in the White house like it usually is given, but in a shipyard in Washington DC. Not many of us knew that he got it until many years later. On his written citation, there is no mention that Israel was the attackers. The same goes for all of our medals and citations; the Israelis are not mentioned at all.
In your opinion, if the general American public were to become fully aware of Israel’s attack on the Liberty, could this affect the “special” relationship that America shares with its "ally" Israel? For instance, if many Americans learned of the attack and the cover-up, they might be less willing to bankroll Israel with financial and military aid.
I’m not sure if that would happen. I think that if the truth be known about the attack it would hurt for a little while, but it would be a piece of history finally put to bed.
Do you keep in contact with fellow Liberty survivors? If so, do they express hope that American will reinvestigate the attack?
We USS Liberty survivors are always in contact. We all fight for the same thing. They want the investigation to happen soon, so we can all go on with our lives.
Is there anything else that you would like to add?
I thank PRAVDA.Ru for the time to express my views of the June 8, 1967 attack on my ship, the USS Liberty. I do hope your country will be able to see the new film by the BBC Dead in the Water by Mr. Christopherer Mitchell. There is also a new book that goes along with the new film. It was written by Pulitzer Prize winner Mr. Peter Hounam and is due to come out very shortly. The film and book open the incident up very well.
Questions compiled by Justin Cowgill
Mr. Hrankowski can be contacted at the following address:
John Hrankowski
45 Drumcliff Way
Rochester, New York 14612 USA
1-585-225-0385
http://www.ussliberty.com | | | | funglefoot | | | | Cowboy | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | 3,422 American soldiers have died in Iraq for your shitty little country. |
Bullshit, as demonstrated by the over 8,300 islamist attacks around the globe since just 9/11.
I'd post the link for the details of those attacks, but board censorship rules and programming prevent me from doing so. | | | | funglefoot | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
| | CB wrote: | Bullshit, as demonstrated by the over 8,300 islamist attacks around the globe since just 9/11.
I'd post the link for the details of those attacks, but board censorship rules and programming prevent me from doing so. |
| FF wrote: | | 3,422 American soldiers have died in Iraq for your shitty little country. |
You take a rather simplistic view of the world, Cowboy. Islam is not united across the globe. Far from it. Muslims often fight their fellow muslims: Hamas and Fatah, Iraq and Iran, Iraq and Kuwait are just 3 examples. Saddam Hussein and Iraq were a threat to Israel. They were not a threat to America. Yet 3,422 Americans have died eliminating the threat to Israel. Ergo, to all but the wilfully blind, 3,422 Americans have died for Israel.
But I think that is going to change. I think, I hope, that the Americans have had their fill of the Neocons and AIPAC and the Jewish Lobby. Hopefully, at the next presidential election the electorate will show their exasperation with Jewish interference in American politics. No more war for Israel. Let Jewish blood defend Jewish blood. | | | | Ilana_Halevy | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: |
| Iraq has not common border with Israel. It was not any threat especially since 1991.
Good that you dont say that Afghanistan was war for Israel too  | | | | funglefoot | | Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: |
| A Second Lesson for Ilana (admission to kindergarten - she's a slow learner)
http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm
Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.
"The U.S. aid relationship with Israel is unlike any other in the world," said Stephen Zunes during a January 26 CPAP presentation. "In sheer volume, the amount is the most generous foreign aid program ever between any two countries," added Zunes, associate professor of Politics and chair of the Peace and Justice Studies Program at the University of San Francisco.
Did the USA give this much money to Iraq? Hmmm?
Did Iran give this much money to the USA? Hmmm?
Did the USA give this much money to Israel.... YOU BET!!!
Stupid Israeli child. I must teach her this lesson once again...
If your enemy throws a stone at you this is not a big surprise and you just throw a stone back.
If your best friend throws a stone at you then, yes, this is a big surprise. This is your friend, why he/she do this to you? You demand an explanation. You do not throw a stone back.
This is why the survivors of the Liberty want an explanation, an independent Congressional Inquiry into the Liberty Assault.
It was a day with 100% visibility. The Arab airforces had been annihilated. There was no naval activity. The Liberty was flying the Stars and Stripes and her hull identification had been freshly painted on her bows. She had been correctly and accurately identified on the morning of the attack by different Israeli aircraft. She was in international waters. She was an auxiliary ship. [Auxiliary b. A vessel, such as a supply ship or a tug, that is designed for and used in instances and services other than combat. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/auxiliary] This means she was in no way a military threat. This could be confirmed by looking in Janes Ships which is precisely what the Israelis did. The El Quseir, the ancient Egyptian horse carrier which dropped miraculously from the heavens the moment the Israelis needed an alibi, had not been sighted for weeks. In fact "it was tied up and not sea worthy during the Six Day War, and the Israelis knew this". See Hrankowski - http://www.russia.com/forums/open-board/8931-u-s-s-liberty.html
The Liberty was marked on the Combat Information Centre Table at Navy H.Q [Israel].
http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/evidence/israel/yerushalmi.html
What more did the Israelis need? Perhaps they should have been given a white cane and a black labrador guide dog? And a pair of dark glasses?
And what pretext, what military advantage could there have possibly been in sinking the El Quseir? What threat exactly did the El Quseir pose for the Israelis that warranted the dispatch of half a dozen fighters and three MTB's? Were they shit scared of being smothered in horse shit?
And they attacked, and attacked, and attacked, for 75 minutes and never once did they see anything suspicious that could have indicated this was an American ship. Much play has been made of the fact that the MTB's ceased their attack when they eventually spotted that she was an American ship. Yes, but they only bothered to identify her once their objective had been achieved. The fighters had destroyed all the antennae, aerials and satellite dishes. The torpedo had destroyed the communications centre in the hold of the vessel, tearing a forty foot hole in its side. The Mission had been accomplished! Israel had a achieved exactly what she wanted. The electronic ears of the Liberty were destroyed. She was no longer any use as a listening post in the Arab-Israeli 6 day war.
This is what Israel feared, that some of the less than legitimate means employed by the IDF should be discovered. Israel has lied, and lied, and lied, and will continue to lie forever. But men who worked in the NSA are coming forward to testify that they saw intercepts that clearly indicated that Israel knew she was attacking an American ship. Of course the LBJ Administration had been more than careful to cover its tracks and had ordered the destruction of all the intecepts. But when three or four independent witnesses can testify to what they saw on those intercepts, and everything they say corroborates the evidence, then there can be no doubt. Israel planned and executed a deliberate, intentional attack, with malice aforethought, on a neutral, unarmed, non-combat, non-resisting, American electronic surveillance ship that was flying the Stars and Stripes and bore its freshly painted hull identification on its bows.
How could an ally treat another ally in this despicable fashion? How could Israel, who had been helped so much by the people of America, commit this outrage? These people who had been rescued by the allies from the clutches of the BEAST, how could they commit murder in such ice cold blood on the sailors of their best friend and liberators?
This was no mistake. Mistake of fact is no defense in law as has been shown on this board. Legally Israel is guilty as charged because she was criminally reckless. But where there is malice aforethought there can be no recklessness. Malice aforethought requires only one thing. Swift and merciless retribution. Alas it is too late, too late by 40 years to be swift, but there must be retribution. Israel must be punished. Murder in cold blood, with malice aforethought, must be dealt with otherwise Israel will do it again. Already she does what she likes with the Palestinian population - murder, mutilation, torture, destruction of homes, false imprisonment, land theft, illegal eviction, detention without cause, you name it and the Israelis will jump to it. Israel is a rogue nation. It started with the bombing of the King David Hotel. That was a terrorist outrage - murder again. Before that they assassinated Folke Bernadotte, a UN diplomat - murder once more. These bastards will just go on killing and murdering like there's no tomorrow. They have to be stopped.
Next year is election year in the United States. This year is the 40th anniversary of the assault on the Liberty. New evidence is emerging. Maybe this could be the year when the murderous guilt of the Israeli nation is laid bare before the world, for all to see. And following this exposure of Israel's treachery, America can send AIPAC packing, and lob the Jewish lobby out of American politics, and tell the Jews their influence on American foreign and internal policy is a thing of the past.
Hopefully next year will be a watershed in American politics. The year America reclaims its right to independence, and freedom from Jewish interference. | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
