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Jefferson Davis · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject:

It's at the top of the forum. I buried nothing.

Cowboy · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject:

It makes perfect sense.

Jefferson Davis · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject:

Then what does it have to so with the title?

Why anti US Arabs talk re: Liberty Accident? = TITLE OF THREAD

Do the FASCISTS want to impress anyone that they love "non arabs"? = SUBJECT STATEMENT

Enlighten us Professor.

Cowboy · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:54 pm Post subject:

Your vast ignorance and lack of basic comprehension is on display.

Enjoy.

Jefferson Davis · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject:

Cowboy · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject:

DanielDives · Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 2:36 am Post subject:

Witnesses’ testimony needed [non-Arabs] - Attack on USS Liberty, 08 June, 1967

IAF Reconnaissance flight/s Pilot or Pilots

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3 IAF pilots –who strafed the USS Liberty with bullets, rockets and napalm during several runs

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3 x ISC - MTB personnel

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2 IAF ‘Rescue’ Helicopter pilots

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Armed and dressed in battle-fatigue men, inside both ‘rescue’ helicopters

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Those who gave the order to attack the USS Liberty – 08 June, 1967 [Chain of Command]:

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DETECTION AND IDENTIFICATION OF THE "LIBERTY".

source: Israel Defense Forces History Report of 1982: "Attack on the Liberty Incident" [response to the publication of 'Assault on the Liberty' in 1979], aka the 1982 IDF History Report or IDFHR.

On 8 June, at 0410 hours, an IAF "Nord" aircraft took oft with a naval officer aboard serving as an aerial observer. This air reconnaissance patrol was part of the routine coastal security measures. The patrol set out at first light, parallel to Israel's shores and over the open sea. (An additional patrol of the same type proceeded from 1530 hours until nightfall). The patrol's mission was to detect ship movements before vessels could enter coastal radar detection [page 7] range. The airborne observer would make a brief report of each detection at the moment visual contact was wade; additional information would be transmitted in the debriefing, after the plane's landing. At approximately 0545, an unclear message was received from the plane at Central Coastal Command (CLC-Combat Information Center-Central Coast). After clarification with the Navy representative at Air Commands the observation plane was reported to have sighted a ship, apparently a destroyer, sailing 70 miles west of Gaza.

The ship was designated as "Skunk-C" on the Control Table, and marked red - i.e. an unidentified target. Later, at 0603 hours, an additional report arrived from the plane, which described the vessel as a supply ship of the US Navy. The report was not unusual. Aerial observers had often reported on the presence of this type of craft, but such vessels would always change direction and disappear far from the coast.7 Although the ship had been identified by the aerial observer, the target remained colored in red since the team at Central Coastal Command (hereafter referred to as CCC) were not positively sure of the ship's identity.8

At approximately 0900 hours, following the discovery of the enemy submarine off Atlit, GOC Israel Navy arrived at the (CCC) bridge. During a break in the activity surrounding the submarine, GOC Navy inquired about "Skunk C", and after receiving en explanation concerning the vessel, instructed that the ship be marked green i.e, a neutral craft.

At about the same time, a report arrived at Regional Control 501; the report stated that an IAF pilot, returning from a mission in Sinai, had spotted a ship 20 miles north of E1 Arish and that when he had tried to identify the vessel it had opened fire upon him.9. Reacting to this report, Head of Naval Operations Section/3 (a section in the Naval Operations Department) instructed Israel Navy destroyers "Jaffa" and "Eilat" (who were patrolling along the coast) to turn south and verity the identity of the vessel. However, the destroyers were ordered to return to their patrol sectors at 0940 hours, after an additional report arrived from Regional Control 501, that in the light of the pilot's debriefing, there was no certainty that he had indeed been fired upon by the ship. 10 The report likewise stated that, "the ship is colored grey blue, very wide and the bridge is in the middle."

Meanwhile, the "Nord" plane which had been patrolling the sea had landed and the observer was debriefed by Lt. Commander Pinchasi, a navy representative at Air Command, The observer reported spotting the marking GTR-5, [page 8] on the ship's side. Lt. Commander Pinchasi checked the marking in a "Janes" manual and learned that the reference was to the intelligence ship named "Liberty". He reported the information to Naval Operations Section/3 and since the reference was to an intelligence ship he likewise reported to Naval Operations Section/4 (intelligence).11

Commander Lunz had relieved the Head of Naval Operations section/3 (who retired to rest) and was the officer who received the report.

However, he did not see anything new in the debriefing but rather a complementary report to the one received at 0500 hours, Since he did not have information as to the present location of the "Liberty" he gave the order (at 1100 hours) to erase the vessel from the CCC control table. This order was given in accordance with the accepted updating procedure for maintaining an up-to the minute picture at the CCC control table.12

By this action, the "Liberty" was, for all practical purposes, removed from the agenda. The detection of the "Liberty" at that location (far from the theatre of battle) was not unusual and did not require special attention or tracking. Certainly no danger was discerned that might have necessitated a response and it was reasonable to assume that the ship would turn round and sail away. In addition, it was common practice to erase targets which had disappeared from range.13 These were almost certainly the considerations which guided Commander Lunz when he ordered the erasure of "Liberty" from the CCC control table[/b].14

A short time after the erasure of "Liberty" from the CCC control table, a series of events transpired which led to the detection of the ship a second time now under circumstances which led to a tragic mistake.

Note: according to CCC "...or even the "Liberty's" log describes only three sorties overhead (at 0850, 1056 and at 1126 hours)."

Overhead

source: Israel Defense Forces History Report of 1982: "Attack on the Liberty Incident" [response to the publication of 'Assault on the Liberty' in 1979], aka the 1982 IDF History Report or IDFHR.

Anyway…

Cowboy · Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject:

C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 no malice; attack a mistake

U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 mistaken identity

Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 no evidence ship was known to be American

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 no merit to claims attack was intentional

National Security Agency 1981 Mistaken identity

House Armed Services Cmtee 1991/1992 No support for claims attack was intentional

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