| Author | Message | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | Today’s homework: look up the meaning and implications of ‘HONOR’ and ‘JUSTICE.’ |
Like an Israeli would know? Why do you continue to avoid and divert an incident for 40 years?
You claim it's an accident yet you fear an honest investigation?
Typical Jewish avoidance and diversion from the main issues. Your issues are irrelevant. It's the real victims of this injustice that matter and seek closure and justice. The USS Liberty crew and their family.
You are what you are. | |  | | DanielDives | | Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: |
| Germany: IDF involved in three 'incidents' off Lebanon coast By Reuters
The Israel Defense Forces have been involved in three "incidents" with UN naval peacekeepers under German command off the coast of Lebanon, a spokesman for Germany's armed forces said Friday.
The spokesman confirmed a report from the Rheinische Post daily, due to appear in the paper's Saturday edition, which stated several Israel Air Force fighter jets made an approach towards the German frigate Niedersachsen off the Lebanese coast on Wednesday.
The paper added that on April 30 the Niedersachsen had signaled it was "ready for combat" on board when an Israeli speedboat approached the vessel traveling at around 30 knots without initially identifying itself.
One day earlier, IDF forces approached a Swedish speedboat that was also part of the UN group, the report added.
The German spokesman gave no further details.
A series of incidents in October between German UN peacekeepers and the IDF in the region prompted Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to apologize for what he described as the "misunderstandings" that had occurred.
@ http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/858514.html | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: |
| | "fungalfoot wrote: |
In a desperate attempt to cut out the endless diversion and obfuscation in the Liberty case, Fungalfoot - a lay junior 'barrister' of untested ability but some persistence - offered to concede all the defense's evidence offered to date, with the exception of evidence as to state of mind. He says that the only material evidence in the case is that evidence that proves or disproves the Israeli state of mind at the time of the attack. His assertions are:
1.
Israel attacked the Liberty. This is agreed by all sides.
2.
Such attack was a sustained, deliberate, premeditated, unprovoked, knowing, combined air and sea attack on the neutral, unresisting, vessel of an ally sailing peacefully in international waters, bearing the flag of her nationality and the Latin letters of her hull number.
3.
Israel states it was a case of mistaken identity and the Liberty was mistaken for an old Egyptian horse carrier half the size of the Liberty.
4.
Pre-Attack Aerial Reconnaissance of USS Liberty
There were numerous obvious reconnaissance overflights of USS Liberty by delta wing Mirage jets and by a twin fuselage aircraft identified as a Nord Noratlas.
5.
There were NSA transcripts of Israeli pilots communicating with their ground command which identified the Liberty as an American ship. They were commanded to proceed with the attack.
6.
Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witness_protection
7.
Given all the above prima facie evidence it falls to Israel to prove her defense of mistaken identity. Cowboy has previously suggested a standard of proof of 'logical conclusion'. For the sake of expedition I will accept that standard of proof.
8.
In order to prove 'mistaken identity' it is essential that Cowboy leads some Israeli evidence as to what the Israelis were thinking at the time. Thus far he has relied on American evidence only. The Americans cannot possibly testify as to what the Israelis were thinking at the time of the attack and the pre-attack aerial reconnaisance. The obvious exception to this is the reported conversations of Israeli pilots in NSA transcripts (which were ordered destroyed) but to the prior existence of which there is expert testimony.
A US Naval seaman can testify that a torpedo struck the Liberty but he cannot testify as to whether that torpedo was intended for the Liberty or whether it was intended for the El Queseir. This whole case depends on the lack, or presence, of a mistaken state of mind. The only people who can testify to this are the Israelis. Yet Cowboy cannot, will not, lead any Israeli evidence.
Cowboy has therefore conceded defeat by default and for the purposes of WWE Israel is guilty as charged, ie she murdered 34 US Navy seamen and destroyed a US Navy vessel and she caused the wounding of 173 further US Navy seamen.
Israel is supposed to be an ally of America. America is certainly an ally of Israel given the massive economic and military support she gives to Israel. One might have expected Israel in the circumstances to co-operate with a full, independent and open investigation as to the Liberty Incident. But no this is not the Israeli way. My own personal point of view is that Israel stabs her friends in the back and then runs away. | | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: |
| So many questions reamin unanswered and avoided by this lying tribe of Jews and their sycophants and here they come as usual like turds down a sewer.... the apologists avoiding ALWAYS one simple demand that the crew's simple demand for an honest open fair investigation after 40 years.
Jews really are the most dishonorable and duplicitous selfish people in history. Extolling 40 years of pride in a continued covering-up with avoidance and diversion.
They are shit. It's why there are pogroms. A Liberty apologist is evil incarnate. They are Jews.
Let us pray that one day we get it done right and show them the same lack of compassion, non-concern, immorality, non-justice and dishonesty that they showed the crew and families of the dead and the living of the USS Liberty. | | | | harrietbuster | | Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:57 am Post subject: |
| A "sticky" for this bullshit?
AT do you really believe that al-jeffie cares about any American service personnel ?
Or are you merely giving him a top position to spew his neo nazi agenda?
And if so...do you agree with his neo nazi agenda?
And for you al-jeffie
There's a reason that the world killed 12 million Germans in order to end the crap you advocate.
Now here is an offer for you al-jeffie.
In July I have a function to attend at Camp Lejeune. I am sure that can get you some time to explain to a good sized group of Marines all your views on the Liberty and Jews.
Now certainly these are the kind of Americans who you should feel comfortable in telling about how Jews are "shit" and that they are the enemy of all mankind. ( There probably wont be more than a half dozen Jews in the audience).
How about it?
Are you "patriot" enough to voice all this in front of those who wear the uniform and protect your right to spew your garbage? | | | | Barmak | | Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | Are you "patriot" enough to voice all this in front of those who wear the uniform and protect your right to spew your garbage? |
I am confused Harrietbuster. The purpose of your post is to get this Liberty topic of this site because a total of 8 people might look at it. Day and night you and Cowboy spam the ME section with your Islamic head-chopping news to push down the Liberty topics and make them disappear. Jewish organizations do everything to ban bad publicity against Israel. Even Jimmy Carter is anti-Semite now.
But then you propose to give publicity to anti-Jewish view. Do you even have permission from Hasbara to do this? | | | | harrietbuster | | Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:35 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | Islamic head-chopping news to push down the Liberty topics and make them disappear. |
Great turnspeak
Liberty posters SPAM the 40 year old story day and night in order to deflect from the current news about islam's contunuing war on the non muslim world.
The Liberty is a dead issue in the US...no matter how much the faux Americans like to spam it.
But my offer to al-jeffie is quite serious.
I would like to see him give a talk about the "evil kikes" in front of a couple of hundred Marines. | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 6:54 am Post subject: |
| | Harry Hook Nose wrote: | A "sticky" for this bullshit?
AT do you really believe that al-jeffie cares about any American service personnel ?
Or are you merely giving him a top position to spew his neo nazi agenda?
And if so...do you agree with his neo nazi agenda?
And for you al-jeffie
There's a reason that the world killed 12 million Germans in order to end the crap you advocate.
Now here is an offer for you al-jeffie.
In July I have a function to attend at Camp Lejeune. I am sure that can get you some time to explain to a good sized group of Marines all your views on the Liberty and Jews.
Now certainly these are the kind of Americans who you should feel comfortable in telling about how Jews are "shit" and that they are the enemy of all mankind. (There probably wont be more than a half dozen Jews in the audience).
How about it?
Are you "patriot" enough to voice all this in front of those who wear the uniform and protect your right to spew your garbage? |
Harry Hook Nose:.....look at you wetting your pants about a so-called 40 years old story. Why do you care? Why do you OPPOSE it so? Who are you to decide what is relevant and for you to condemn this story while extolling every Holocaust, Inc. story shows what a first class hypocrite you. Thank you for demanding what people should and should not read.
You show who you really are and what you really stand for Oh Megaphone troll.
Of course not, only you would imply and try to impugn AT personally in thinking he supports my viewpoints. In fact, I'm sure he's embarrassed as hell having me as a moderator for posting and calling you gutless hypocritical sanctimonious kikes for what you are. But he'll take it rather than subjectively and arbitrarily remove to suit your whiny complaing ass.
And for that he has my respect.
So if you want to drag AT through the mud, stop it, he neither sanctions or condones my messages. But I'm happy as hell there's one forum where Cowboy and your ilk can't spam it off the page. It's here until June 8, 2007 and hopefully a few days after. Then it can be removed unless AT says differently.
You don't like my posts..shove it. Can't spam it off the page like you do on the ME forum..tough.
Check back often hb and suck it hard.
AS to your offer, I know many a Marine. Send the ticket and hotel reservation via a PM and I'll meet them anywhere. Marines follow orders, they don't follow ideology and they'd rather allow me to say my piece than support you in opposing it. And rarely will they discuss politics in public unless you're buyimg the beer and a lot of it. You'll find to your surprise that "Kill them all and let God figure it out" will hold more truth than you would like to know.
Spare me your cartoon history lessons. You walked into the camps and stayed there. Your own people aka kapos ran them.
But why don't you and your lil'gang of Megaphone trolls/Liberty apologists go on the Libertyinquiry.com link and actually talked to to the USS Liberty crewmen and tell them they matter little and no one cares and to shut up and to get over it. SO put up or shut up your gutless son of a bitch and drag that fraud Cowboy with you. Or does as an anonymous bulletin board member frighten you too much to talk to them?
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2007 will be the 40th anniversary of injustice and murder and coverup.
http://usslibertyinquiry.com/
www.ussliberty.org
Lest We Forget | | | | DanielDives | | Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: |
| Q: Or are you merely giving him a top position to spew his neo nazi agenda?
R: I dare you, no, I triple-dare you, to face any of the USS Liberty survivors and repeat the above.
A day in an open court is all they ask for and you want to deny them having it? How Adolfian... | | | | harrietbuster | | Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 12:41 pm Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | AS to your offer, I know many a Marine. |
Sure you do al-jeffie 
| Quote: | | Marines follow orders, they don't follow ideology |
The oath of induction is to defend the Constitution, al-jeffie...a political ideology.
| Quote: | | AS to your offer. Send the ticket and hotel reservation via a PM and I'll meet them anywhere. |
Last weekend in July. A friend is being given his first Star. There's going to be several gatherings aside from the formal promotion ceremony.
I'll need a name and address. You can send it PM.
I will arrrange for you to give a little talk at the officers club about Jews and the Liberty.
I will even guarantee your safety, up until you start to speak, then you're on your own.  | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
