| Author | Message | | dangerousdna | | Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: USS Liberty survivors need your help |
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 14, 2007 Contact: Joe Meadors
joe@ussliberty.com
On June 8, 1967 the USS Liberty was attacked by the combined forces of the Israeli air force and navy. Notified almost immediately that the ship was under attack, Sixth Fleet aircraft carriers quickly launched rescue aircraft. Two flights were launched—both were recalled on orders of The White House. The cost of abandoning the USS Liberty while the ship was under fire was horrific: 34 dead, 174 wounded and a U.S. Navy ship totally destroyed.
The U.S. Navy abandons the USS Liberty.
The U.S. Navy convened a Court of Inquiry to investigate “all aspects” of the attack.
USS Liberty crewmen were denied the opportunity to testify;
sworn testimony about the machine gunning of the Liberty’s life rafts was removed from the official record;
more than 65 written statements provided to the Court by USS Liberty survivors have been lost;
both the Court’s Legal Adviser and the Legal Adviser to the Convening Authority have condemned the Report as pre-determined, totally inadequate and in violation of U.S. Navy guidelines;
the Court’s own legal counsel has filed an affidavit certifying that the official record was changed in Washington after it was signed by Members of the Court.
The Congress of the United States abandons the USS Liberty.
For decades survivors of the USS Liberty have lobbied Congress to conduct an investigation of the attack on their ship. Congressional refusal to conduct an investigation leaves the attack on the USS Liberty the only serious maritime incident in American history NOT to be the subject of congressional scrutiny.
The Department of Defense abandons the USS Liberty.
On June 8, 2005, after many months of agony caused by reliving the attack in the excruciatingly painful detail required to complete their task, USS Liberty survivors completed a War Crimes Report. They submitted that report to the Department of Defense knowing that the Department of Defense Law of War Program requires the DoD to ensure the allegations contained in the report are “investigated thoroughly.” The Department of Defense has not yet responded to the USS Liberty Veterans Association regarding their submission.
Shortly after the USS Liberty Veterans Association made its submission an unrelated group, the Liberty Alliance, submitted the same report to the Department of Defense. The Department of Defense responded almost immediately to the Liberty Alliance.
The Department of Defense abandons the USS Liberty again.
As a result of an invitation included in the DoD response to the Liberty Alliance, USS Liberty survivor Joe Meadors entered into an e-mail exchange with Joe Baggett of the Office of the U.S. Navy Judge Advocate General on the DoD’s handling of the War Crimes Report. Mr. Baggett showed himself to be quite professional and expert at addressing all of the issues that were raised. Meadors subsequently contacted the U.S. Navy Speakers Bureau to request that the U.S. Navy Judge Advocate General provide a spokesperson to address a public meeting during the June 2007 USS Liberty Veterans Association reunion near Washington, DC. The Department of Defense refused Meadors’ request, claiming that there is no one in the DoD who can speak adequately to the subject—this despite the fact that Meadors and Baggett have been doing just that by e-mail.
USS Liberty survivors need your help.
Please call the Office of the U.S. Navy Judge Advocate General at (202) 685-5493 to request they provide a speaker to address the crew of the USS Liberty during their June 2007 reunion. Call the members of your Congressional Delegation and ask that they contact the U.S. Navy Judge Advocate General and request that they provide the speaker the USS Liberty survivors are requesting. Invite your Congressional Delegation and their staff members to attend that presentation.
Then e-mail Joe Meadors at joe@ussliberty.com so he can coordinate a follow-up.
For more information, or to read the War Crimes Report, visit the USS Liberty Web site: <http://www.ussliberty.org/>
Please don’t let the U.S. government abandon the USS Liberty again. | |  | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
| Please call your Congressperson for this ASAP.
I present the extremes that these Israeli Megaphone trolls, AIPAC agents, and the USS Liberty apologist fraternity will go to make the USS Liberty murders go away and perpetuate their cover up.
Cowboy, the WWE Spam King (64,000 posts and counting) wrote:
| Quote: | | "The last investigation was spurred by White House Chief of Staff John Sununu, who, after meeting with Liberty veterans, referred them to Representative Nick Mavroules, chairman Subcommittee on Investigations of the House Armed Services Committee." |
What's your source for this Cowboy??
Oh yeah, it's a pathetic book review from Amazon.com Nothing proves what a fraud you than your own lies. Quite the scholar you are.
Nothing gets these Liberty apologists upset and hyperventilated than the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty by the State of Israel. The whole statement is a lie and fabrication.. There never was such an investigation. The Library of Congress has STATED that there has NEVER been a Congressional investigation of the attack on the USS Liberty. A Jewish bankruptcy wrote an excremental book on which all their the apologists's lies are based is not even in print and has been totally discredited on the subject claims 5 such congressional investigation shave taken place.
All fabrications to continue the 40 years of injustice born by the crea and to continue the cover up..
http://ussliberty.com/
http://usslibertyinquiry.com/
Read for yourself , the words of the victims and their families.
Is there nothing the apologists/liars won't do to stop an honest and open investigation of the USS Liberty?
Here is Cowboy's basis of truth as he reported it. It is also plagiarized. No such "year long" investigation All lies.
http://www.amazon.com/Baltimore-Iconoclast-William-Hughes/dp/0595215513/ref=sr_1_1/103-2042167-6147011?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177059555&sr=8-1
| Quote: | NO GOOD, October 20, 2002
Reviewer: A reader one star
William Hughes' life is built on conspiracy theories. He tries to defame Israelis regarding the USS Liberty friendly fire incident even though the CIA, Senate, Congress, Navy, and several other groups have all ruled the attack was an accident.
C.I.A. report June 13, 1967 no malice; attack a mistake
U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 18, 1967 mistaken identity
Report by Clark Clifford July 18, 1967 no evidence ship was known to be American
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979/1981 no merit to claims attack was intentional
National Security Agency 1981 Mistaken identity
House Armed Services Cmtee 1991/1992 No support for claims attack was intentional
The last investigation was spurred by White House Chief of Staff John Sununu, who, after meeting with Liberty veterans, referred them to Representative Nick Mavroules, chairman Subcommittee on Investigations of the House Armed Services Committee. After a one year investigation the matter was closed, the investigators evidently finding nothing to support conspiracy claims or any Israeli intentions to attack a US ship
There was no malice, there was no conspiracy to attack the ship. DON't waste your time or money with this book." |
Word for word.
There has never been any congressional investigations of the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty in 40 years. This injustice has gone on too long.
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2007 will be the 40th anniversary of injustice and murder and coverup.
www.ussliberty.org
Lest We Forget | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: |
| | Cowboy wrote: | What I am doing is presenting the sworn testimony of USS Liberty crewmembers at the US Navy COurt of Inquiry.
What you are doing is desperately diverting attention from that testimony.
Note the sworn testimony of the USS Liberty's Captain. |
Cowboy's first post is as follows in its entirety based on "sworn testimony" of the US Naval Court of Inquiry. The US Naval Court of Inquiry on the attack on the USS Liberty by the State of Israel began at "The hour is 2314, the date is 10 June 1967." , [b]just two days after the attack and it ended: "no further witnesses were called and the President closed the Court at 1645, 16 June 1967 in order to deliberate and prepare findings of fact.".
The US Naval Court of Inquiry lists only 15 USS Liberty crewmen as witnesses for called testimony at the Court of Inquiry
There were 34 dead and 174 men wounded as a result of the attack. The USS Liberty Court of Inquiry lasted a total of four days, yet the USS Stark Court of Inquiry lasted nine months.
. www.Libertyinquiry.com (which Cowboy used as his so-called COI source) also stated the following on Page 1 of their website.
| libertyinquiry,com wrote: | In the days immediately following the attack, the United States Navy held an unusual and extremely abbreviated Court of Inquiry. The Court found that the evidence then available to it did not establish hostile intent. The Court did not have access to communications intercepts and other important items of evidence when it made this finding.
Contrary to assertions made by Israel and its supporters, the United States has never officially accepted the explanation or excuses offered by Israel. Quite the contrary, the official U.S. position is that the attack was "quite literally incomprehensible" and showed a "wanton disregard for human life." (The word "wanton" was later removed, though the general concept remained.)
The Navy neither completed a full Court of Inquiry investigation, nor undertook any other, further formal inquiries concerning the Israeli attack on USS Liberty. Indeed, from the moment the attack started until today, no U.S. government body has undertaken any investigation into the culpability for the attack on USS Liberty. |
The entire Court of Inquiry is dotted with "Records are not accessible at the time.". And records that were available were not admitted such as the ship's weather logs yet the Court found in it's Findings of Fact" that the ship's ensign "not blowing" may have contributed to the attack which is against US Navy Regulations and that such a claim was easily refuted by the crew and ignored.
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| Cowboy complete quotation wrote: | Note the sworn testimony of the USS Liberty's Captain.
It includes....
The passes from Israeli aircraft earlier in the day were made at a range of 12-15 miles from the craft.
The Liberty's ensign was down from early in the air attack until just prior to the torpedo boat attacks, and there was too much smoke at the time of the torpedo boat attacks for the Liberty to clearly see the torpedo boats, meaning that there was likely too much smoke for the torpedo boats to see the newly raised ensign on the Liberty.
That the Captain believed that the attack was done in error.
That the Liberty fired on the Israeli torpedo boats, and the Captain stated that he believed that the Israelis at that time believed that they were under fire from the Liberty.
That after the torpedo struck the Liberty, the torpedo boats were in closer range and ceased the attack.
That the entire attack lasted about 20 minutes, not an hour or more. |
None of the above is quoted material from the USS Liberty Court of InInquiry. Every statement here is an outright fabrication and/or misrepresentation of Capatin McConagle, MoH recipitient and the only US armed forces member who was NOT awarded the MoH by the Presiedent of the United States since WW2.
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| Cowboy wrote: | | "The passes from Israeli aircraft earlier in the day were made at a range of 12-15 miles from the craft." |
Cowboy has specifically lied about the nature and the relative context of the testimony and manufactured a duplicitous slander against the Captain to further his pro-Israeli cover-up. He has never deviated from it.
Captain McConagle stated for the Court of Inquiry as follows:
| Quote: | | Aircraft activity of an apparent propeller patrol type flying at very low altitude and parallel to and over the coast in the vicinity of El Arish was noted. It is estimated that the altitude of this plane was approximately 500 feet. At no time did this plane approach the ship in any fashion. His distance remained approximately 12 to 15 miles. It was possible to visually sight the minaret which is quite conspicuous at El Arish. This was used as a navigational aide in determining the ship's position during the morning and afternoon of 8 June. |
It is the only time Captain McConagle mentions 12 to 15 miles in his Court testimony so this proves that Cowboy's use of it was deliberately and willfully misleading. There is no indication at all that the Captain used this testimony to denote the distance to the ship other than fact nor did invoke either Israeli culpability or innocence before the attack or did he use it as an subterfuge to diminish/mimimize Israel's aircraft reconnaissance or import a false impression as Cowboy did.
The US State Department in its official information memorandum of 21 Sept 1967 declares as follows:
"The Israeli report indicates that a ship was reported in the area by reconnaissance aircraft at 0600 and that another report was received of a contact between an Israeli aircraft and a surface vessel about 0900. The Navy Court finding of facts, plus testimony of various members of the crew indicate reconnaissance [b]overflights of the Liberty at 0515, 0850, 1030, 1056, 1126, 1145, 1220, and 1245.[/b]"
http://usslibertyinquiry.com/evidence/usreports/salans.html
| US Naval Court of Inquiry wrote: | ENS. J. D. SCOTT, USNR, Damage Control Assistant, USS LIBERTY
TESTIMONY
[Scott] Yes sir. On the morning of the 8th, I had the 4
to 8 Officer of the Deck watch on the bridge. It was a
routine watch. The only thing out of the ordinary was we
had one reconnaissance plane that flew by us and made a
few circles off our port beam. He circled around about
three or four times, then took off .
Q. About what time?
[Scott] About 0515, I was not able to identify the
aircraft. We looked at it with the binoculars. Due to
the distance we could not see any markings or insignia of
any sort on it. [headed back for Tel Aviv as later stated] |
The other IDF air reconnaissances by the crew are mentioned on the COI record.
The link is on http://www.ussliberty.org/recon.htm
The facts show here that there have discrepancies and unknown facts claimed and yet Israel has opposed any investigation for 40 years with the acquiescence/approval/duplicity of the US Government.
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| Cowboy wrote: | | The Liberty's ensign was down from early in the air attack until just prior to the torpedo boat attacks, and there was too much smoke at the time of the torpedo boat attacks for the Liberty to clearly see the torpedo boats, meaning that there was likely too much smoke for the torpedo boats to see the newly raised ensign on the Liberty. |
The IDF reports as well as Ahol Jay Cristol's own book stated categorically the the Liberty was not flying their ensign during the attack. yet Cowboy even states a "newly raised" so the IDF air attackes in clear sunlight cruising at 5 knots in the beginning must have seen the ensign, nevermind the ship hull numbers/name from the mutlple sides of attack that is completely ignore. The Court of Inquiry as a Statement of Fact said the numbers had been freshly painted.
Ahol Jay Cristol on his "infamous" Liberty bookcover crops the numbers off the ship claiming the ship picture came from IDF gun cameras. It has been determined to be another Liberty picture "doctored" from elsewhere and his claimas suxh a forgery. Because if he had placed the numbers in the book cover, it would have proven that the IDF knew the ship was American without a doubt and American ships do not have Arabic letters as Isreal STILL claims it was attacking a 1/2 smaller Egyptian horse carrier.
This is again not "sworn testimony" but Cowboy's desired interpretation. The Liberty's crewmen who testified as to the following concerning their testimonies ship's flag/ensign during the attack.
1) CAPT W. L. McGONAGLE, USN, Commanding Officer, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"About this time I noticed that our Ensign had been shot away during the air attack and ordered DAVID, signalman, to hoist a second Ensign from the yardarm. During the air attack, our normal Ensign was flying. Before the torpedo attack, a holiday size Ensign was hoisted."
1426 [LOG] NOTICED NORMAL STEAMING ENSIGN SHOT AWAY DURING AIR ATTACK HOLIDAY SIZE ENSIGN HOISTED ON PORT YARDARM.
2) ENS. J. D. SCOTT, USNR, Damage Control Assistant, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"Q. Do you recall the flag or the national ensign flying? [Ensign Scott:] Yes sir, it was flying. I noticed at first light that the ensign was flying. I looked up to it to check the wind direction just in the event I had to blow tubes and I wanted to have a favorable wind direction. That's about all I recall about the flag being up on the day and night while we were over here. I don't recall seeing it down at all. "
3) LT. G. H. GOLDEN, USN, Engineering Officer, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"[LT. Golden:] Yes sir. At approximately 1145, I completed eating lunch, and went to the 01 level forward to sunbathe along with the Captain and some of the other officers. I have a lounge chair, most of us do have; while laying on my back sunbathing, I noticed a plane flying over. I dozed off, and approximately 25 minutes or so later on, I woke up and saw a plane circling again coming from the port beam, crossing the ship. While watching it, I glanced up and noticed it just crossing over the stack area, and I noticed a small amount of smoke coming out of my stack, and also the flag was flying.
Counsel for the Court: Was it extended? [LT. Golden:] Yes sir, there was a slight breeze blowing. Q. Where was the flag flying from, Lieutenant GOLDEN? [LT. Golden:] The foremast. Q. And It was standing out where it could be seen? [LT. Golden:] Yes sir. Not completely the full length, but it was standing out. "
4) LTJG L. C. PAINTER, USNR, Officer Of the Deck, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"Counsel for the Court: Did you have occasion to see the national ensign flying? [LTGJ Painter:] Yes sir, I did. I saw the national ensign flying after the, it was at the time I believe when we were going to abandon ship. I ran out on the main deck to get the life rafts ready. I remember distinctly looking back up and seeing the Ensign flying. This was, I think, after the air raid, after the torpedo attack. Q. Had you seen it earlier that morning? [LTGJ Painter:] I saw it earlier that morning when I came up, I don't know when it was. I came up on and of off that morning checking a patrol plane that had been flying over us. The quartermaster, DAVID QM2, had told me that the night that he was wounded that he had put the flag up at 0730 that morning. Q. So you, in recollection, recall seeing the flag flying in the morning and after the torpedo attack? [LTGJ Painter:] Yes, before and after the torpedo attack. Q. Do you know whether or not it was the same flag? [LTGJ Painter:] I couldn't tell you sir. The way I thought at one time, what the heck was it, I noticed there was something funny about it. I might have seen the flag twice, because once I saw one that had been shot up and it was ragged, and the next time I looked at it I didn't notice whether it was ragged or not. I couldn't say either way whether it was the same flag."
5) RMC W. L. SMITH, USN, Radio Central, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"Counsel for the Court: Did you have occasion to see the national colors flying? [Chief Smith:] Yes sir. At the time I ran out of the radio central space to the transmitter room. Q. What time was this? [Chief Smith:] I would say about 1225, this was about two minutes either way. And this was Zulu time because I'm basing it on the log here. I had occasion to look at it because I was under the impression we were being attacked by UAR, and I wanted to see, and by the time that report came down to us from the bridge that they were Israelis, I wanted to check myself personally to see if our flag was flying because I couldn't understand it. For some reason I saw the flag flying at that time. If this was the original flag or not, I do not know sir."
6) LTJG M. N. WATSON, USNR, Main Propulsion Assistant, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"Counsel for the Court: Excuse me, any time prior to the attack, did you notice the national colors flying?
[LTJG Watson:] Yes sir. At lunch that day, we were discussing the situation and Mr. Golden made the statement that someone had said something about the ensign flying so the people would know who we were. Mr. Golden made the statement something like, "Don't we have a bigger flag we can fly, maybe the holiday colors ?" Then after lunch we went out on the 01 level forward and most of the officers were around there sunbathing immediately preceding 1300. At approximately 1245, an aircraft flew over approximately 5,000 to 8,000 feet, and his line of flight took it over the radar mast, and I was watching it and made a comment about it that it looked like a C119 flying boxcar. And as it flew over the radar mast, the ensign was flying from the gaff. I noticed that it was flying, at this time there was a breeze. Q. Extended? [LTJG Watson:] Yes sir. President: Was it from the mast aft or the mast directly over the bridge? [LTJG Watson:] The mast directly over the bridge, sir."
7) ENS. D. G. LUCAS, USNR, First Lieutenant & Gunnery Officer, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"There was a time when I was in the pilot house that I heard the Commanding Officer holler to someone, perhaps signalman DAVID, to get the Ensign, the colors, off the deck. I went out to the starboard wing, and there was an Ensign on the deck. I went out a little bit further and looked up and we were flying our Ensign. I found that later all of the starboard halyards or hoists had been shot down and that signalman DAVID had run up another Ensign.
Q. Do you recall how long the Ensign was down? [Ensign Lucas:] I cannot recall for sure. From the first air attack, the radar was made inoperative, the antenna on the mainmast was damaged, obviously on the first air pass and the Ensign would be flying just below it and just aft of it. Evidently, the shelling that got the radarscope, well it could have very possibly severed the halyard lines at that time. I do not recall when the Commanding Officer saw the Ensign on the deck and told someone to pick it up, but I do recall going out on the starboard wing, looking up and seeing that there was an Ensign flying.
Q. Do you remember the time frame when you looked and saw the Ensign flying, was it during the surface or the air attack? [Ensign Lucas:] I can't set an exact time on it. I do believe that I recall that at this time the patrol craft was off our starboard side at an approximate bearing of 120. It seems to me that this might have been around the time when I investigated the firing coming from mount 53 and found it was bullets cooking off as opposed to men being there actually firing.
Q. Did you look and see the Ensign flying before the torpedo hit, or was it after? [Ensign Lucas:] I cannot honestly recall whether it was before or after."
| Quote: | | USSLIBERTY.com: "Navy Regulations require that all findings of fact be supported by evidence in the record. In this case, such evidence is often absent. For example, where the court finds that the flag may not have been seen by the attacking pilots because it may have hung limp at the mast on a windless day, all the evidence in the record points in the opposite direction, indicating that the flag was clearly displayed in adequate wind to hold it aloft for the pilots to see.[/b] The court also had access to and reviewed the Ship's Weather Log which showed that there was ample wind at all times to hold a flag aloft and clearly displayed. Yet the court chose to ignore that log and did not enter it into the record.[/b] The careful reader will find numerous other discrepancies in the way the hearing was conducted." |
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| Cowboy wrote: | | "That the Captain believed that the attack was done in error." |
This again is not sworn testimony and nowhere does Capt.McConagle testify to such in the Naval Court of Inquiry
His exact and only "one sentence" testimony is as follows.
| Quote: | | 'I realized that there was a possibility of the aircraft having been Israeli and the attack had been conducted in error." |
A possibility and a certainity as claimed by Cowboy are two different things. Cowboy is being duplicitious and deliberate in stating a different meaning. It is another of his malicious misrepresentation. Capt. McConagle has scores of quotes remaining the rest of his life claiming the attack on the USS Liberyt was deliberate by the State of Israel.
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| Cowboy wrote: | [That the Liberty fired on the Israeli torpedo boats, and the Captain stated that he believed that the Israelis at that time believed that they were under fire from the Liberty.
That after the torpedo struck the Liberty, the torpedo boats were in closer range and ceased the attack. |
The US Court of Inquiry also detemined from the Captain that the aft gun mount "cooked off" from the ongoing fire. There were also no bridge to gun communications and the Captain also stated the the gunnery chiefs have the perogative to order fire in circumstance. Nevermind the ensign was up and the hull numbers were still there. The Court also has testimony:
"LTG Painter:] About 30 minutes later we had word from the Captain that torpedo boats were approaching us again and to prepare for another torpedo attack starboard side. And I know that if another torpedo had hit us, it would have sunk us, so I told the men to standby to abandon ship. We prepared to abandon ship in case we were hit the second time."
There are four different conflicting versons of testimony of what actually happened. Cowboy manufactured a pro IDF spin as usual to his interpetation. But the Court of Findings did state that the "larger holiday ensign" was in place and the hull numbers were still there. Ignored as usual in any discussion bt the COI as one MTB did circle as the COI stated.
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| Cowboy wrote: | | "That the entire attack lasted about 20 minutes, not an hour or more" |
As the logs and the Court of Inquiry determined.
"Thirty minutes after attacking LIBERTY the MTBs signaled in English, "Do you need help?"
Two hours and 10 minutes after torpedo attack (2 hours 40 minutes after air attack) an Israeli helo apparently offered assistance."
COwboy is a damn liar and a fraud.
_________________
2007 will be the 40th anniversary of injustice and murder and coverup.
http://usslibertyinquiry.com/
www.ussliberty.org
Lest We Forget | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: |
| The US Naval Court of Inquiry on the Attack on the USS Liberty was abbreviated and incomplete. It lasted on and off for ONLY four days. The USS Stark Court of Inquiry was conducted over 9 months. The Liberty COI made excuses and exonerations of the Israeli attacks without any investigations or proof of such innocence. Only 15 members of the Liberty's crew of the 300 man crew ever gave testimony in the Court of Inquiry. Logs, records, additional testimony and tapes were never examined, not entered, not permitted, not disclosed, ignored and the court's record is filled with "DELETIONS" and "records not available".
"Liberty men were not permitted to speak freely and were directed to reply only to the questions asked. Some men who wished to testify were not permitted to do so. George Golden, who was the second ranking man to survive the attack, was severely limited in the testimony he was permitted to provide. Jim Ennes, who was Officer of the Deck during most of the daylight reconnaissance and could personally testify to the closeness and frequency of overflying aircraft and other key details, provided a sworn statement from his hospital bed, but this statement was not permitted into evidence. Jim's hand-written deck logs for his watch were key evidence, but they were not entered into the record. Instead, they were rewritten and signed by someone else, which is a violation of Navy Regulations." - USS Liberty.com
Cowboy posted A* on Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:36 am
Cowboy posted B*May 01, 2007 10:57 pm
| Quote: | "The Lies of Cowboy"]
Note the sworn testimony of the USS Liberty's Captain (as Cowboy claims.).
It includes....
A*. The passes from Israeli aircraft earlier in the day were made at a range of 12-15 miles from the craft.
B*. The passes from Israeli aircraft earlier in the day were made at a range of 12-15 miles from the craft. Not all passes were at that range, but obviously not all passes were at a close range.
This is not the "sworn testimony" of Captain McGonagle. No where in the Inquiry are these words quoted. It is a deliberate misrepresentation and misdirection of the facts to divert questioning Israeli culpability. In fact Cowboys second statement means absolutely nothing. Cowboy is a liar.
| Captain McGonagle's SWORN TESTIMONY wrote: | | "Aircraft activity of an apparent propeller patrol type flying at very low altitude and parallel to and over the coast in the vicinity of El Arish was noted. It is estimated that the altitude of this plane was approximately 500 feet. At no time did this plane approach the ship in any fashion. His distance remained approximately 12 to 15 miles." |
ENS. J. D. SCOTT, USNR, Damage Control Assistant, USS LIBERTY
SWORN TESTIMONY
[Scott] Yes sir. On the morning of the 8th, I had the 4
to 8 Officer of the Deck watch on the bridge. It was a
routine watch. The only thing out of the ordinary was we
had one reconnaissance plane that flew by us and made a
few circles off our port beam. He circled around about
three or four times, then took off .
Q. About what time?
[Scott] About 0515, I was not able to identify the
aircraft. We looked at it with the binoculars. Due to
the distance we could not see any markings or insignia of
any sort on it. [headed back for Tel Aviv as later stated]
The Navy Court Finding of Facts, plus testimony of various members of the crew indicate reconnaissance overflights of the Liberty at 0515, 0850, 1030, 1056, 1126, 1145, 1220, and 1245" and that the nature of the ship, it's mission that said flights were somewhat routine and not uncommon. The US State Department confiemed this as well in an information bulletin in Aug. 1967 [/b]
A & B* The Liberty's ensign was down from early in the air attack until just prior to the torpedo boat attacks, and there was too much smoke at the time of the torpedo boat attacks for the Liberty to clearly see the torpedo boats, meaning that there was likely too much smoke for the torpedo boats to see the newly raised ensign on the Liberty.
This is not the "sworn testimony" of Captain McGonagle. No where in the Inquiry are these words quoted. It is a deliberate misrepresentation and misdirection of the facts to divert questioning Israeli culpability. Cowboy is a liar.
The Israeli Defense Report and of 21 July 1967 stating several lies underlined.::
| ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCES INQUIRY OF 21 JULY 1967 wrote: |
ISRAELI DEFENSE FORCES INQUIRY OF 21 JULY 1967
DECISION
On Thursday 8th June, 1967, at approximately 1400 hours, aircraft of the
Israel Air Force attacked a vessel situated about 20 miles north-west of
El-Arish, and some 14 miles off the shore of Bardawil. About half an
hour later torpedo boats of the Israel Navy attacked the same vessel and
hit it with a torpedo. Soon, during the attack by the torpedo boats, it
became clear that the vessel thought to be an enemy ship, was a vessel
named "Liberty", of the United States Navy. The attack was immediately
broken-off, but most regrettably, only after, as transpired, loss of
life and material damage had been caused......
(Yet the same report has this conflicting conclusions aka cover-up on the same report 42 days after the attack. A report factually wrong but conducted in greater detail and deliberation than allowed by the US Navy and it's inquiry into the USS Liberty.)
It is to be noted that throughout the contact no American
or any other flag appeared on the ship, and it was only a helicopter, sent after the attack in order to render assistance--if necessary--which
noticed a small American Flag flying over the target. At that stage
the vessel was finally identified as an audio-surveillance ship of
the U.S. Navy.
.....I hold, that there is no sufficient amount of prima facie evidence,
justifying committing anyone for trial.
Before Examining Judge: Sgan-Aluf I. Yerushalmi
http://ussliberty.com/excuse.txt |
A. Jay Cristol's apologist book "The liberty Incident" primary argument is that there was no flag flying on the Liberty as well. He even claims and produces a so-called "aircraft gun cameras" of the initial attack and on his book cover. This has been totally discredited and proven a forgery. A Jay Cristol is a liar.
The telling feature about this book cover is that Cristol "cropped" from the book the front of the ship which would have shown the large hull military designation numbers and proving that the ship was a US naval ship and seen from the start and they don't have Arabic letters and numbers as an Egyptian horse carrier half the USS Liberty's size.
http://ussliberty.com/photofraud.htm
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| Cowboy ignores more testimony that proves his lies. Other crew's recollections less than 6 days after the attack. Cowboy will ignore this. wrote: | This is again not "sworn testimony" but Cowboy's desired interpretation. The Liberty's crewmen who testified as to the following concerning their testimonies ship's flag/ensign during the attack.
1) CAPT W. L. McGONAGLE, USN, Commanding Officer, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"About this time I noticed that our Ensign had been shot away during the air attack and ordered DAVID, signalman, to hoist a second Ensign from the yardarm. During the air attack, our normal Ensign was flying. Before the torpedo attack, a holiday size Ensign was hoisted."
1426 [LOG] NOTICED NORMAL STEAMING ENSIGN SHOT AWAY DURING AIR ATTACK HOLIDAY SIZE ENSIGN HOISTED ON PORT YARDARM.
2) ENS. J. D. SCOTT, USNR, Damage Control Assistant, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"Q. Do you recall the flag or the national ensign flying? [Ensign Scott:] Yes sir, it was flying. I noticed at first light that the ensign was flying. I looked up to it to check the wind direction just in the event I had to blow tubes and I wanted to have a favorable wind direction. That's about all I recall about the flag being up on the day and night while we were over here. I don't recall seeing it down at all. "
3) LT. G. H. GOLDEN, USN, Engineering Officer, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"[LT. Golden:] Yes sir. At approximately 1145, I completed eating lunch, and went to the 01 level forward to sunbathe along with the Captain and some of the other officers. I have a lounge chair, most of us do have; while laying on my back sunbathing, I noticed a plane flying over. I dozed off, and approximately 25 minutes or so later on, I woke up and saw a plane circling again coming from the port beam, crossing the ship. While watching it, I glanced up and noticed it just crossing over the stack area, and I noticed a small amount of smoke coming out of my stack, and also the flag was flying.
Counsel for the Court: Was it extended? [LT. Golden:] Yes sir, there was a slight breeze blowing. Q. Where was the flag flying from, Lieutenant GOLDEN? [LT. Golden:] The foremast. Q. And It was standing out where it could be seen? [LT. Golden:] Yes sir. Not completely the full length, but it was standing out. "
4) LTJG L. C. PAINTER, USNR, Officer Of the Deck, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"Counsel for the Court: Did you have occasion to see the national ensign flying? [LTGJ Painter:] Yes sir, I did. I saw the national ensign flying after the, it was at the time I believe when we were going to abandon ship. I ran out on the main deck to get the life rafts ready. I remember distinctly looking back up and seeing the Ensign flying. This was, I think, after the air raid, after the torpedo attack. Q. Had you seen it earlier that morning? [LTGJ Painter:] I saw it earlier that morning when I came up, I don't know when it was. I came up on and of off that morning checking a patrol plane that had been flying over us. The quartermaster, DAVID QM2, had told me that the night that he was wounded that he had put the flag up at 0730 that morning. Q. So you, in recollection, recall seeing the flag flying in the morning and after the torpedo attack? [LTGJ Painter:] Yes, before and after the torpedo attack. Q. Do you know whether or not it was the same flag? [LTGJ Painter:] I couldn't tell you sir. The way I thought at one time, what the heck was it, I noticed there was something funny about it. I might have seen the flag twice, because once I saw one that had been shot up and it was ragged, and the next time I looked at it I didn't notice whether it was ragged or not. I couldn't say either way whether it was the same flag."
5) RMC W. L. SMITH, USN, Radio Central, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"Counsel for the Court: Did you have occasion to see the national colors flying? [Chief Smith:] Yes sir. At the time I ran out of the radio central space to the transmitter room. Q. What time was this? [Chief Smith:] I would say about 1225, this was about two minutes either way. And this was Zulu time because I'm basing it on the log here. I had occasion to look at it because I was under the impression we were being attacked by UAR, and I wanted to see, and by the time that report came down to us from the bridge that they were Israelis, I wanted to check myself personally to see if our flag was flying because I couldn't understand it. For some reason I saw the flag flying at that time. If this was the original flag or not, I do not know sir."
6) LTJG M. N. WATSON, USNR, Main Propulsion Assistant, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"Counsel for the Court: Excuse me, any time prior to the attack, did you notice the national colors flying?
[LTJG Watson:] Yes sir. At lunch that day, we were discussing the situation and Mr. Golden made the statement that someone had said something about the ensign flying so the people would know who we were. Mr. Golden made the statement something like, "Don't we have a bigger flag we can fly, maybe the holiday colors ?" Then after lunch we went out on the 01 level forward and most of the officers were around there sunbathing immediately preceding 1300. At approximately 1245, an aircraft flew over approximately 5,000 to 8,000 feet, and his line of flight took it over the radar mast, and I was watching it and made a comment about it that it looked like a C119 flying boxcar. And as it flew over the radar mast, the ensign was flying from the gaff. I noticed that it was flying, at this time there was a breeze. Q. Extended? [LTJG Watson:] Yes sir. President: Was it from the mast aft or the mast directly over the bridge? [LTJG Watson:] The mast directly over the bridge, sir."
7) ENS. D. G. LUCAS, USNR, First Lieutenant & Gunnery Officer, USS LIBERTY, Sworn Testimony, US Naval Court Inquiry
"There was a time when I was in the pilot house that I heard the Commanding Officer holler to someone, perhaps signalman DAVID, to get the Ensign, the colors, off the deck. I went out to the starboard wing, and there was an Ensign on the deck. I went out a little bit further and looked up and we were flying our Ensign. I found that later all of the starboard halyards or hoists had been shot down and that signalman DAVID had run up another Ensign.
Q. Do you recall how long the Ensign was down? [Ensign Lucas:] I cannot recall for sure. From the first air attack, the radar was made inoperative, the antenna on the mainmast was damaged, obviously on the first air pass and the Ensign would be flying just below it and just aft of it. Evidently, the shelling that got the radarscope, well it could have very possibly severed the halyard lines at that time. I do not recall when the Commanding Officer saw the Ensign on the deck and told someone to pick it up, but I do recall going out on the starboard wing, looking up and seeing that there was an Ensign flying.
Q. Do you remember the time frame when you looked and saw the Ensign flying, was it during the surface or the air attack? [Ensign Lucas:] I can't set an exact time on it. I do believe that I recall that at this time the patrol craft was off our starboard side at an approximate bearing of 120. It seems to me that this might have been around the time when I investigated the firing coming from mount 53 and found it was bullets cooking off as opposed to men being there actually firing.
Q. Did you look and see the Ensign flying before the torpedo hit, or was it after? [Ensign Lucas:] I cannot honestly recall whether it was before or after."
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USSLIBERTY.com: "Navy Regulations require that all findings of fact be supported by evidence in the record. In this case, such evidence is often absent. For example, where the court finds that the flag may not have been seen by the attacking pilots because it may have hung limp at the mast on a windless day, all the evidence in the record points in the opposite direction, indicating that the flag was clearly displayed in adequate wind to hold it aloft for the pilots to see. The court also had access to and reviewed the Ship's Weather Log which showed that there was ample wind at all times to hold a flag aloft and clearly displayed. Yet the court chose to ignore that log and did not enter it into the record. The careful reader will find numerous other discrepancies in the way the hearing was conducted." |
A* That the Captain believed that the attack was done in error.
B* That the Captain believed that the attack may have been done in error.
This is not the "sworn testimony" of Captain McGonagle. No where in the Inquiry are these words quoted. It is a deliberate and malicious misrepresentation and misdirection of the facts to divert questioning Israeli culpability. He even backtrackes when caught in his lies. Cowboy is a liar.
The Captain's ONLY sworn testimony is as follows:
""I realized that there was a possibility of the aircraft having been Israeli and the attack had been conducted in error."
A possibility and a certainty as claimed by Cowboy are two different things. Cowboy is being duplicitous and deliberate in stating a different meaning. It is another of his malicious misrepresentation. Capt. McConagle has scores of quotes for the rest of his life claiming the attack on the USS Liberty was deliberate. Cowboy is a liar.
A & B* That the Liberty fired on the Israeli torpedo boats with at least one machine gun, and the Captain stated that he believed that the Israelis at that time believed that they were under fire from the Liberty.
This is not the "sworn testimony" of Captain McGonagle. No where in the Inquiry are these words quoted. It is a deliberate misrepresentation and misdirection of the facts to divert questioning Israeli culpability. Cowboy is a liar.
Finding of Fact No. 26 "The after starboard gun, opened up at this point, with apparently no one pulling the trigger. The bridge could not see this gun for smoke and flame on the starboard side, so the Commanding Officer sent a runner to tell him cease fire. Before this runner could reach the after starboard [166] gun, effective high volume fire from this gun was peppering the water around the middle PT. It appears as though 50 Cal. ammunition was cooking off from intense fire. The gun was seen to be firing with no one manning it."
A & B* That after the torpedo struck the Liberty, the torpedo boats were in closer range and ceased the attack.
This is not the "sworn testimony" of Captain McGonagle. No where in the Inquiry are these words quoted. It is a deliberate misrepresentation and misdirection of the facts to divert questioning Israeli culpability. Cowboy is a liar.
The Israeli Defense Inquiry of 21 July 1967 stated in it's findings:
It is to be noted that throughout the contact no American
or any other flag appeared on the ship, and it was only a helicopter, sent after the attack in order to render assistance--if necessary--which noticed a small American Flag flying over the target. At that stage the vessel was finally identified as an audio-surveillance ship of
the U.S. Navy
Soon, during the attack by the torpedo boats, it became clear that the vessel thought to be an enemy ship, was a vessel named "Liberty", of the United States Navy. The attack was immediately broken-off
Someone is lying but it's not the crew of the USS Liberty.
A & B* That the entire attack, in his estimation, lasted about 20 minutes, not an hour or more.
This is not the "sworn testimony" of Captain McGonagle. No where in the Inquiry are these words quoted. It is a deliberate misrepresentation and misdirection of the facts to divert questioning Israeli culpability. Cowboy is a liar.
Captain McGonagle submitted and was accepted in the Findings of Fact the ship's logs which stated.
1358 SINGLE A/C SIGHTED APPROACHING SHIP FROM 135 DEG RELATIVE 5 - 6 MILES DISTANCE, ALTITUDE APPROXIMATELY 7000 FT. A/C PASSED DOWN TRACK OF SHIP
1403 LOUD EXPLOSION - PORT SIDE AMIDSHIPS
1405 SOUNDED GENERAL ALARM - LARGE FIRE IN VICINITY OF FRAME 85, 01 LEVEL WHERE FUEL FOR MOTOR DRIVEN FIRE PUMPS ARE LOCATED.
1405 - 1410 SHIP UNDER REPEATED AIR ATTACK WITH TWO OR MORE A/C MAKING COORDINATED STAFING, ROCKET, AND INCENDIARY RUNS OVER SHIP.
1424 3 MTB'S SIGHTED ABAFT STARBOARD 1BEAM DISTANCE 4 -5 MILES
1431 WORD PASSED TO STANDBY FOR TORPEDO ATTACK TO STARBOARD. MTB COMMENCED STRAFING STARBOARD SIDE OF SHIP
1434 TORPEDO PASSED 75 YARDS ASTERN OF SHIP.
1435 TORPEDO HIT STARBOARD SIDE AMIDSHIPS.
1505 MTB'S RETIRED TOWARD SHORE
1536 MTB'S APPROACHING SHIP STARBOARD SIDE 7-8 MILES DISTANT. DURING NEXT HOUR AND A QUARTER THE MTB'S RETURNED TO THE SHIP ________HOVES
( LTG. Painter in his Court testimony: "About 30 minutes later we had word from the Captain that torpedo boats were approaching us again and to prepare for another torpedo attack starboard side. And I know that if another torpedo had hit us, it would have sunk us, so I told the men to standby to abandon ship. We prepared to abandon ship in case we were hit the second time.")
1713 THEY HAD RETIRED OUT OF SIGHT OVER THE HORIZON. |
He will avoid, obfuscate and divert all his lies and the crew's argument, never in 40 years has anyone found any falsehoods in their versions..
Cowboy is a liar first and foremost. A self proclaimed "Navy vet" who never mentioned the Captain, a MoH recipient by name nor showed the slightest respect.
He is what he is.
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2007 will be the 40th anniversary of injustice and murder and coverup.
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Lest We Forget | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: |
| The Court of Inquiry's mission: "The court is directed to inquire into all the pertinent facts and circumstances leading to connected with the armed attack damage resulting [in the deaths] of and injuries to naval personnel."
It was a rushed Kangaroo Court of Inquiry predetermined and manipulative in its purpose so stated by the participants in it for 40 years. It did not complete its purpose and did not even mention Israel's name in its preamble.
What page of the Court of Inquiry is the first time the word "ISRAEL" is ever written? What were they "innocent bystanders"?
Avoid this question as well. You're a liar and a fraud.
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Here you are again interpretating and manufacturing a battle scene and COI testimony to suit only portions exonerating Israel again. It is your only purpose, excluding anything contrary to the cover-up. You ignore all contray questions and conflicting testimony as usual. That's your sole purpose to protect the murderess and maintain a cover-up.
You quote over and over and over
"Did Chief Communications Technician Harold J. Thompson, US Navy, crewmember of the USS Liberty, lie under oath at the US Navy Court of Inquiry?"
CTC N. J. THOMPSON, USN, USS LIBERTY: "We sent this to the patrol boat. They came up along port side, I say roughly 100 yards off, flashed "good luck" and dropped astern along with the other two which had come up to the stern, to a mile or a mile and a half back, just out of sight. Then they made one high speed run directly astern and somewhere between a quarter and a half mile back mad a u-turn and disappeared. That was the last we saw of them."
First, heroes don't lie, that's your value. Second, the Officer of the Deck Lt. Painter contradicts Thompson's whole argument because his perspective and his eye witness testimony was different. But such was the US government mission so eager to avoid seeking the real truth and protecting Israel they started a Court of Inquiry ONLY 48 hours after the attack and concluded it in only 4 days. Only 15 crew members were called out of 300 and over half in the hospital or dead. The USS Stark Court of Inquiry lasted NINE MONTHS in their search for the truth.
Avoid this as usual and you cannot explain it. Avoid this as usual. and cherry pick some other evenyt and tell us it's crystal clear the Israel is guiltless..
LTJG L. C. PAINTER, USNR, Officer Of the Deck, USS LIBERTY "It came over, well the 1MC was out, it came over the sound powered phones, "prepare for torpedo attack starboard side." So, we prepared for a torpedo attack starboard side, which we received in midships. I can't say exactly what time it was, maybe 1435. Well, the ship at this time as soon as the torpedo hit midships, we began to develop a starboard list very quickly. So quickly that I felt as though we were probably going to lose it. At this time, the DC central passed the word to prepare to abandon ship. We then filed out to our life rafts which were no longer with us because they had been strafed and most of them were burned, so we knocked most of them over the side. At this time the torpedo boats, three of them, that had torpedoed us, were laying off, waiting for us to sink, I believe. Anyway, they didn't come near us at this time. However, we were able to maintain the ship and stabilize it. It didn't sink. So the Captain said that everyone could go back to general quarters stations. At this time I went back to Repair Three on the mess decks along with the rest of my repair party. All during this time in Repair Three, my men were fighting fires and knocking burning life rafts, etc. So we were kept fairly busy down in Repair Three the whole time. Also they were checking bulkheads and shoring where needed. After I went back there, after the torpedo attack, we waited for what seemed like many, many hours but I imagine it was only 20 or 30 minutes; and in that time we were checking out the torpedo hit midships and doing what was necessary to prevent further flooding. About 30 minutes later we had word from the Captain that torpedo boats were approaching us again and to prepare for another torpedo attack starboard side. And I know that if another torpedo had hit us, it would have sunk us, so I told the men to standby to abandon ship."
Two different recollection reflecting different times and events seen but only the pro-Israel interpretations that can be "imagined" be applied.
That's why a HONEST and FIRST accounting is needed by an open and in an honest objective forum for 40 YEARS. A Congressional investigation is warranted and needed which you have lied and opposed for your love of Israel. This cover-up is 40 years old. But keep smearing the heroes and calling them liars of the Liberty to fit your Jewish agenda.
You are a liar and a fraud.
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Lest We Forget | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: A FAIR PROBE WOULD ATTACK LIBERTY MISINFORMATION |
| A FAIR PROBE WOULD ATTACK LIBERTY MISINFORMATION
From the Jan. 16, 2004, edition of the Stars and Stripes
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by Thomas Moorer
While State Department officials and historians converge on
Washington this week to discuss the 1967 war in the
Middle East, I am compelled to speak out about one of U.S.
history's most shocking cover-ups.
On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked our proud naval ship -- the USS
Liberty -- killing 34 American servicemen and wounding 172.
Those men were then betrayed and left to die by our own
government.
U.S. military rescue aircraft were recalled -- not once, but
twice -- through direct intervention by the Johnson
administration. Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara's
cancellation of the Navy's attempt to rescue the Liberty, which
I confirmed from the commanders of the aircraft carriers America
and Saratoga, was the most disgraceful act I witnessed in my
entire military career.
To add insult to injury, Congress, to this day, has failed to
hold formal hearings on Israel's attack on this American ship.
No official investigation of the attack has ever permitted
the testimony of the surviving crew members.
A 1967 investigation by the Navy, upon which all other reports
are based, has now been fully discredited as a cover-up by its
senior attorney. Capt. Ward Boston, in a sworn affidavit,
recently revealed that the court was ordered by the White House
to cover up the incident and find that Israel's attack was "a
case of mistaken identity."
Some distinguished colleagues and I formed an independent
commission to investigate the attack on the USS Liberty. After
an exhaustive review of previous reports, naval and other
military records, including eyewitness testimony from survivors,
we recently presented our findings on Capitol Hill. They
include:
* Israeli reconnaissance aircraft closely studied the Liberty
during an eight-hour period prior to the attack, one flying
within 200 feet of the ship. Weather reports confirm the day was
clear with unlimited visibility. The Liberty was a clearly
marked American ship in international waters, flying an American
flag and carrying large U.S. Navy hull letters and numbers on
its bow.
* Despite claims by Israeli intelligence that they confused the
Liberty with a small Egyptian transport, the Liberty was
conspicuously different from any vessel in the Egyptian navy. It
was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world in
1967. With its massive radio antennae, including a large
satellite dish, it looked like a large lobster and was one of
the most easily identifiable ships afloat.
* Israel attempted to prevent the Liberty's radio operators from
sending a call for help by jamming American emergency radio
channels.
* Israeli torpedo boats machine-gunned lifeboats at close range
that had been lowered to rescue the most-seriously wounded.
As a result, our commission concluded that:
* There is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a
deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill her
entire crew.
* In attacking the USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder
against U.S. servicemen and an act of war against the United
States.
* The White House knowingly covered up the facts of this attack
from the American people.
* The truth continues to be concealed to the present day in what
can only be termed a national disgrace.
What was Israel's motive in launching this attack? Congress must
address this question with full cooperation from the National
Security Agency, the CIA and the military intelligence services.
The men of the USS Liberty represented the United States. They
were attacked for two hours, causing 70 percent of American
casualties, and the eventual loss of our best intelligence ship.
These sailors and Marines were entitled to our best defense. We
gave them no defense.
Did our government put Israel's interests ahead of our own? If
so, why? Does our government continue to subordinate American
interests to Israeli interests? These are important questions
that should be investigated by an independent, fully empowered
commission of the American government.
The American people deserve to know the truth about this attack.
We must finally shed some light on one of the blackest pages in
American naval history. It is a duty we owe not only to the
brave men of the USS Liberty, but to every man and woman who is
asked to wear the uniform of the United States.
---
Adm. Thomas Moorer was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
from 1970 to 1974 and once was 7th Fleet commander. He is
joined in the Independent Commission of Inquiry by Rear Adm.
Merlin Staring, former judge advocate general of the Navy; and
Ambassador James Akins, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia.
Gen. Ray Davis, former assistant commandant of the Marine Corps,
was a member of the commission at the time of his death in
September. For complete findings and the sworn affidavit of
Capt. Ward Boston, go to www.ussliberty.org | | | | Ilana_Halevy | | Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
| Pedisan and Al Jeffie will you send them your food stamps?
1) Why Israel sent planes without proper anti ship weapons?
2) Why planes were leading conversations in Hebrew on open uncoded frequence.
3) Why planes and boats were clearly marked?
4) Why first were sent Mirage III with exptremely distinguish shape?
5) Why were sent MBTs, when much simple and faster to sink ship with plane bombs? Especially since Israeli pilots are much more experienced and trained than sailors.
No answers.
No motive.
No evidences. | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:20 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | 1) Why Israel sent planes without proper anti ship weapons?
2) Why planes were leading conversations in Hebrew on open uncoded frequence.
3) Why planes and boats were clearly marked?
4) Why first were sent Mirage III with exptremely distinguish shape?
5) Why were sent MBTs, when much simple and faster to sink ship with plane bombs? Especially since Israeli pilots are much more experienced and trained than sailors.
No answers.
No motive.
No evidences.
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Typical Jewish avoidance and diversion from the main issues from this illiterate idiot that makes no sense.
Look for yourself. Where does she address a single issue listed on the thread yet introduces numerous issues that just prove that answers have been lacking for 40 years and the crew's request for a first time honest accounting is warranted and over due.
She doesn't. It's what kikes do. | | | | DanielDives | | Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: |
| Q: No evidences.
R: No evidence? Have you read the entire thread?
As long as nobody is allowed to interrogate the perpa-traitors [IAF/MBT personnel/Chain of command] the only thing the USS Liberty Survivors are left with, is their honor.
They do not seek revenge, they seek justice, in order to lay this to rest.
Today’s homework: look up the meaning and implications of ‘HONOR’ and ‘JUSTICE.’ | | | | DanielDives | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
