| Author | Message | | Diceros | | Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | F*** Europe and the EU. You withstood the Romans and the Huns. 'You' don't need them. They need 'you.' Stand tall and stand proud. 'I can promise you 'nothing but blood, sweat and tears.' Funny, little alcoholic, but 'you'd be better off minding your own business and not have EU-central tell you what's best for 'you.' |
Oh Gawd ! More wishful thinking . 
Who'd want to go back to living conditions of Roman times or even the Norman Conquest. ?
I'm afraid we DO need Europe, they're our main trading partners. WE cant have it both ways. We're either in or out. During the earli 1960s , the Benelux Countries/Germany + France was clearly overtaking Britain economically, when Supermac's conservative/ Harold Wilson's government right upto Ted Heath , made it clear , that we either "Export or Die" . The Pound Sterling dropped rock bottom.
Like it or not, WE ARE a little Island off the coast of Europe and truthfully they DO NOT NEED US as much as we need them.
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It is due to our EEC membership + EU Treaties , that we enjoyed a higer standard than otherwise + large numbers of British workers + reetirees , was/are able to settle on the Continent, whereas previously they would have emigrated to US + the Commonwealth. I for one is looking forward to a hassle free retirement on the sunny MED , in due time.
Its not just a case of "EU-central telling us what's best" - our EU representatives play an important part in drafting regulations which affects ALL MEMBERS.
To a large extent North Sea oil/gas exploration has also helped in keeping us afloat, but unlike Norway , - small population, large oil/gas field+ reserves., our oil gas will run out very shortly.
Our nations economc survival depends largely on continuing trading + benefitting from EU Economic policies.
Farmers and regional small businesses, are always grumling, but they've benefitted just as much as French/Dutch/Spanish farmers + Small businesses, from various EU Grants + Enterprise Fundings.
I'm indifferent to all the nationalist sentimental BS being peddled, reality shows , that we either INSIDE THE CLUB, OR as a nation , we isolate ourselves and accept the results of such a foolish decision.
CHEERs.
[/b] | |  | | Diceros | | Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
| Another point to bear in mind, for more than 60 Yrs - we've not had a war in Europe, and the economic treaties/EEC + EU policies have , so far , ensured that another War in Europe is avoided.
Yugoslavia + its breakup was an example what has /could happen amongst NON -EU Members. I very much doubt it'd happened if Yugoslavia(Croatia-Bosnia-Montenegro-Serbia) was already at time members of the European Union.
cheers. | | | | ktholcombe | | Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Do you know the truth about the EU?
1. The Queen has signed 6 of the 7 EU Treaties.
2. The 6 treaties define and build the EU as an unelected dictatorship.
3. The EU's laws give it the powers of a police state.
4. The 7th EU treaty will complete the abolition of Britain as a nation
- the Queen could sign it in as little as two years.
Shouldn't we repeal the 1972 European Communities Act now
before we are imprisoned permanently inside?
5. Thirty three years inside the EU - have you noticed how our democracy is being withdrawn?
The EU has already denied us that most basic of human rights - the right to vote against the EU and to keep our own nation. A majority of us don't want to be in the EU. We are being forced in against our will.
Do you feel you've become powerless, unable to influence events, or your vote is worth less? The six treaties are gradually removing our democracy; and 70% of the laws now passed by our Parliament are EU laws, not ours. Isn't the real reason people have lost interest in politics precisely because the EU has taken away our ability to change things?
Common law, where the government was our servant, is now largely replaced by the EU's Corpus Juris, which puts the government above the law, and we don't participate. We have already lost most of our rights (including habeas corpus). The power of government grows unchecked, as does that of large corporations. Politicians continuously lie about the EU, pretending its not significant.
6. Massive EU corruption
The EU's auditors have found the fraud is so widespread they've refused to sign off the EU's accounts for each of the last ten years. Whistleblowers like Marta Andreason, the EU Budget Director, who in 2005 found the EU couldn't account for 95% of its £66 billion budget, are simply fired for telling the truth.
7.The bribing of our Politicians by the EU
Europe works by bribing politicians with huge salaries and expenses to vote for Europe, against the best interests of their own voters.
As a result all three parties are in favour of the EU - Westminster acts like a one party state of politicians: the Lib-Lab-Con. The parties are run top down and implement the policy of their leaderships, not that of their members. (unfortunately UKIP is run in the same way). If you have voted for the Labs, Cons or Lib-Dems since 1969, you have voted for the EU dictatorship.
8. EU corruption is now exploding through our Civil Service, our local government, and our 7,000 quangos.
A shadow EU government lives inside our bureaucracy, headquartered in the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister (ODPM.) It includes many parts of government including the RDA and the Regional Assemblies. Common Purpose, an EU organisation, the UK branch also headquartered in the ODPM, has members across many government organisations including some city and county councils, the Land Registry, the police and the NHS, which it is destroying from within.
Common Purpose is the glue that enables fraud to be committed across these government departments, most of it lining the pockets of politicians and bureaucrats. It often involves the sale of public assets such as land to friends of politicians or their businesses. (The RDA -The EU Regional Development Agency, is a major player in this type of fraud.) And the handing out of plum government non jobs with big salaries and expenses to members of Common Purpose, all of it involving the theft of our money as taxpayers. The Chief Executive Officer of Common Purpose is Julia Middleton of the ODPM.
9. Businesses closing under EU regulation
The EU's 107,000 regulations will close hundreds of thousands more businesses when fully enforced, and control our private lives more closely than those of Soviet citizens. (In a Parliamentary answer to Lord Stoddart in January 2003, the government admitted there were 101,811 EU regulations)
10. The EU costs us £200 billion pa, 20% of our economy
According to the government's Better Regulation Task Force, complying with EU regulations now costs our economy over £100 billion a year. Economists say we lose £80 billion pa by associating with the EU's inferior economies. The EU took our fishing industry, which costs us £5 billion pa. EU damage to other industries (like forcing us to close the Rover Car Co) a further £20 billion. Our EU contribution is £10 billion.
Before we joined the EU we had an even balance of trade with them. Now EU regulations have fixed it so we lose £22 billion year trading with the EU on our balance of payments. We'd be enormously more wealthy if we left.
11. Our counties to be abolished
The Queen signed the 1992 Maastricht Treaty, which adopts the EU Regionalisation Plan. This will abolish England's 48 counties and replace them with 9 European regions, each with their own Regional Capital, which reports directly to Brussels, not to Westminster. This effectively obliterates the country of England. For example the County of Cornwall is replaced by the South West Region, which stretches from Lands End and includes Gloucestershire and Wiltshire; its regional capital is Exeter. As this move is unpopular it is being kept low-key and will not be implemented until the seventh treaty is signed, when we lose our right to object.
12. The deliberate destruction of our way of life, standards and morals
From Sunday trading, where large stores force staff to work Sundays for derisory pay - or they don't get a job, to the government's deliberate undermining of the family, to sex education for the under 13's, to children being given obscene homework, its all traceable via our compliant government back to the EU over the last 34 years. While inside atheist Europe, British Christianity has almost died out; safety on our streets and a great chunk of civilised life has left with it.
13. The EU has controlled our immigration since 1997
The Amsterdam Treaty handed complete control of our immigration to the EU. The EU increased the numbers of immigrants from 30,000 a year to 200,000 a year. That's why house prices have been screaming up. Politicians and huge corporations like immigration - with thousands of immigrants available on low pay, corporations can impose the minimum wage on millions. Politicians then lie that they can't get British workers to do dirty jobs. The truth is they won't offer a decent wage to compensate for unpleasant work, and instead use immigrants at £5 an hour.
Michael Howard was lying on the 24th January 2005 when he said he'd fix immigration - as Prime Minister, he'd have had no control over it whatsoever. Immigration hurts our existing immigrants first - new immigrants move into their areas, decreasing the wages and increasing the pressure on housing.
If the seventh Treaty is signed, we lose our right to withdraw and Britain ceases to be a nation. Like the other six, it only requires two signatures: the Prime Ministers, and the Queen's.
Examples of how our lives have changed since we've been in the EU:
In the EU, (which means in Britain) government is above the law.
The EU's corpus juris now pervades right through our legal system. A policeman was let off by magistrates this year (2005) for driving his private car at 159 mph in Ludlow, Shrops. Under Corpus Juris the government are above the law and cannot be prosecuted The judge ruled correctly under EU law. 45,000 police officers got off speed cameras in this way in 2004, although their speeding killed 44 innocent people. (Daily Mail 27.12.05.)
We have lost the right to freedom
The EU arrest warrant (signed by the Queen on 18th November 2003) allows us to be arrested without charge and held indefinitely with no right to see a solicitor, make a phone call, or even a right to a trial. You can simply disappear.
Under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act (SOCPA) 2005, we can now be arrested and held in the cells by any police officer for any petty offence, like dropping litter. Before it had to be an offense that carried a 5 year jail term. This also applies to all of the EU's 107,000 regulations. Do you know them all?
The Civil Contingences Act 2004 allows government to confiscate anything you possess permanently; you have no right to object. This includes your house. It also gives government the right to forceably move its population around to different locations; you can be left with no place to call your own and live like a refugee. The only check and balance here is a Minister just needs to utter the words "This is a national emergency." If a demonstration or strike government doesn't like is being organised, they can cut off all communications in a town - phones, mobiles, the internet, TV, and block all access to that town including closing roads and railways. It has all the powers and more of Hitler's Enabling Act of 1933.
We have lost the right to free speech
At the Labour Party conference the police held an 82 year old man, Walter Woolfgang, and denied him access to the conference under the EU's "anti terrorist" legislation because he had shouted the word "nonsense" at Jack Straw, who was speaking about Iraq. Terrified the true nature of the laws they have passed on behalf of the EU was escaping too early, the Labour Party stopped the police and begged the man to return to conference.
On October 25th 2005 Miss Maya Evans was arrested under the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005, for a lone protest at the Cenotaph by reading out the names of the 97 British soldiers killed in the Iraq war. She was arrested by no less than 14 police officers and found guilty at Bow Street Magistrates Court on the 8th December 2005.
Would you hand over our nation, to be ruled by a foreign power, with oppressive laws like these, ? That's what's happening.
We have lost the right to protest
These laws make protest very difficult; if we did hold a General Strike and blockade Westminster it would now require some bravery: the powers the EU has demanded from our government enable it to respond in a way similar to the Chinese government's in Tiaanamen Square should it so wish.
It is no coincidence that since 2004, all MP's offices in Westminster are guarded by police with machine guns, inside and out.
The Governments "terrorism" deception
All these new EU laws, including massive "anti terrorism" acts (recently 2000, 2001, 2005) were passed with the pretence they were only directed at terrorists, or in the case of Asbos, ruffians who terrorise the streets. In each case they are used far more often against ordinary law abiding people, particularly to suppress dissent. (91% of those detained under Terrorism Acts are innocent and have been improperly arrested. Most of the remainder are charged with offences that have nothing to do with terrorism, but cover up over zealous arrests).
We have lost the right to life
Under EU law the "Shoot to kill" policy did not need democratic authorisation. Just two senior police officers authorised the police to kill British people. A democratic vote by Parliament was not required, but even that would not have legalised the killing under British common law. A recent victim was an innocent Brazilian, Jean de Menezes, shot dead in Stockwell underground station, even though he was being held down by police officers at the time of the execution. The police used dum-dum bullets, outlawed under the Geneva Convention because they blow a man to pieces inside.
The police can no longer be convicted for killing innocent people - Philip Prout shot at Lewannick in East Cornwall is just one of 30 people shot dead by police since 1992 when corpus juris crept in. At least one was shot in the back; most were no threat to anyone. Not once since 1992 has a policeman been convicted of any crime for these murders.
Have you noticed this growing police state?
In addition to many more laws than those above, add the 107,000 regulations, and whole bureaucracies such as VOSA building up networks of cameras and databases to record our movements and criminalise us when we can't comply. Persecution is no longer confined to motorists; under EU Corpus Juris our courts have become extensions of government power instead of independent arbiters of justice.
On the basis of the laws and treaties already signed by our Queen and Prime Ministers,
What will life be like in the EU after the 7th Treaty is signed?
Our Westminster Parliament immediately becomes pointess as its remaining powers are transferred to Europe.
It is the formal end of Britain and England as nations.
Britain's 153 embassies around the world will be closed as the ink from the Queen's signature dries. (As Tony Blair refused to admit this has been agreed to, Jose Zapatero, the Prime Minister of Spain, confirmed it in a February 2005 radio broadcast.)
After the EU abolishes our 48 counties your address will change from 4 High St, Taunton, Somerset, Great Britain, to 4 High St, Taunton, Area K, European Union. (The glorious EU county "The South West Region" has had the postal address "Area K" assigned for over a decade.)
The Official National Anthem of the EU, which you should have known since 1971 is based on the melody "Ode to Joy" by Beethoven, formally replaces God save the Queen. The EU flag replaces the Union Jack, the red, blue and white nautical ensigns etc. (The EU Commission has already ordered (24.11.2005) our Merchant Navy to fly the EU flag in place of the red Ensign.)
The EU takes ownership and command of our Police, Army, Royal Navy, RAF, nuclear weapons, currency reserves, North Sea Oil. (See the EU Constitution below)
The UK Independence Party will be banned under the 1999 ruling of the European court of Justice case c274/99, where it was held that it is illegal to criticise the EU.
The Conservative, Labour and Lib-dem parties will be abolished (only pan EU parties like the EPP or PES are allowed -see clause I.46.4 of the EU Constitution). It will then be blindingly obvious to even the dumbest politician there is no reason to keep Westmister open, and that the EU has the legal right to close it.
Many people will be excluded from the jobs they know best, as the EU's demand that you must pay to be re-taught the job, and pay for a certificate before you can be employed, becomes universal.
Hundreds of thousands more small businesses will close on the enforcement of the remaining 100,000 EU regulations our government has already passed. Several million will be permanently unemployed as a result.
We will all be criminalised by the 107,000 regulations. Its impossible to know or understand 107,000 regulations, and the poor can't possibly afford to comply. We will all be subject to frequent fines and arrest as a result. Here are just 4 examples:
Under EU regulations it is now illegal for you to repair your plumbing, electrics or your car (from 1st January 2006). If you buy a boat over six feet long, built after the EU Recreational Craft Directive of 1999, and don't pay the EU £4,000 to "measure" the boat, you get 6 months imprisonment. We will live under permanent threat of arrest and fear of the knock at the door that takes us away.
Massive corporations will do well, but with huge immigration allowed from the EU, they'll be able to pay minimum wage everywhere, not just in the provinces as they do now. If you don't accept the minimum they'll employ a Pole or a Czekoslovakian.
Big corporations will also have a near monopoly (with the government) on employment and will be able to dictate unfavourable terms to staff without fear of contradiction.
Plum government jobs and corruption will ensure the wealth of politicians, bureaucrats, their businesses and associates at all levels of government, including local government and amongst our 7000+ quangos.
Society will divide into two: the remaining 60% of us will be either unemployed or treated abysmally on minimum wage.
Taxes will rise more steeply to pay for the even larger explosion in government growth and corruption
There will be no redress through local democracy because there won't be any. The nine UK regional governments, which replace our 48 counties and councillors, will be unelected (see the European Regionisation plan). Our only vote is to the powerless EU parliament. We will be ruled by the 25 unelected Commisssioners, and have have no redress at any level; we will be as poor but have less freedom than Soviet Citizens.
If we demonstrate or protest we can be be seized and relocated to another region. The EU Arrest Warrant and Civil Contingencies Act 2004, with 20 other oppressive Acts the Queen has signed between 1972 and 2005, give the government absolute power over us. They can shoot us if they wish with no legal comeback - the shootings of innocents Philip Prout and Jean de Menezes were entirely legal under EU law.
The tendancy to pick on Muslims, as Germany used to pick on Jews, has already begun. Europe will be a very nasty place.
How long will the EU last?
Eventually, perhaps 15 years down the track, Europe will collapse under the weight of its own corruption, bureaucracy, and regulations. There will be so few productive businesses that even at 100% tax rates we will not be able to support the massive, corrupt and wasteful government. Many of us will be starving in the lead up to the collapse. After the collapse we may be able to leave the EU, if a dictator has not taken advantage of the complete absence of democratic checks and balances by seizing power. The Constitution of the EU is similar to the Soviet Union's. That dictator is free to choose between a Soviet or Nazi style government. Then it could take 70 years to break free.
Fifty years ago our greatest threat might have been violence or mugging. Now the greatest threat to our economic well being, our way of life, our freedom and the very existence of our nation, is our own government.
What do we want?
After the repeal of the EU treaties we want a change to our British Constitution so politicians can never hijack our nation again. Every Parliamentary Bill, after its Second Reading, should come down to us, the people, to vote yes or no as to whether the Queen should give it Royal Assent. This will take power away from our destructive politicians and return it to the people, where it belongs. (They do this in Swtizerland - they, not us, are the most democratic nation on earth.) We can then return to being a peaceable, just, honest, prosperous and fully democratic society where everyone's rights, no matter how high or low are respected, and the disadvantaged properly looked after. And where neither governments, corporations nor individuals have obscene wealth and power.
Campaign to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act and get clean out.
What can you do to help?
1. Find out when your local MP holds their surgery and attend with a printout of this, and the one page summary of the EU constitution below. Ask that MP to cross the floor to be the leader of the first Anti EU Parliamentary Party (representing 65% of our nation). The publicity would be stunning, and might force an in/out vote.
2. Make appointments with your local journalists, give them the same two print outs and ask them to write about the truth about the EU.
3. Do you know anyone famous? Persuade them in the same way to join our cause and get the truth known.
4. Print little stickers: "We didn't vote for this - it has no mandate," and stick them on everything that represents the police state and rip off government.
5. Tell your Town, District and County councillors they are about to be abolished. See below.
6. Do anything you can to get the truth about the EU published.
Or print and hand out this flier (a .pdf), or flier (as a word document). It can be photocopied double sided on to one page.
Our Councillors abolished
Our 20,000 Councillors will be permanently abolished after the EU Regionalisation Plan has established the nine EU Regions. Point out they were elected to serve the public, not the government, and the public has not agreed to their abolition.
Try to persuade them to stand up for the people who voted for them, (which is only doing their duty) by holding a yes/no local ballot on whether the public agree with the abolition of our counties, councillors and nation.
If the public vote no, they should declare, for their Town or county, UDI from Europe and the illegal actions of our government since 1971, particularly the abolition of our British Constiution, common law, our nation and counties. The press coverage this would generate would force the truth into the open nationally, leading to a national in/out ballot on the EU. Just one council could achieve this fabulous result alone.
A summary of the loss of our 48 counties (a WP file)
A map of the nine EU regions (.pdf)
Annual Cost of the EU
EU Regulation - £100bn pa
The annual cost of EU regulations to industry, together with the cost the government quangos who enforce them, is now £100 billion per annum or 10% of our economy, according to the Government's Better Regulation Task Force. David Arculus, its Managing Director says EU regulation is now our biggest industry (larger than tourism at £67 bn.)
This ties in with the EU Commission's Annual Report on Competitiveness, where they state regulation averages 12% of EU economies. So both the British and EU governments agree on this figure.
EU contributions and CAP £23 bn
Our £5bn net annual contribution is now increased, by the loss of our £3bn rebate, to £8 billion. The Common Agricultural Policy CAP costs us £15bn, total £23bn.
The loss of industries to the EU; a lot more than £5 bn
From Petrol stations to car paint shops, abbatoirs, the Rover Car company. We have no figures, except for fishing, £5 billion. We also have no figures for metrication, or the cost of administering the EU's VAT.
Government figures on total Cost of the EU = £128 bn
£100bn +£23bn, +£5bn = £128 bn /365 days = £342 million/day. £128bn /28m workers = £4,500pa.
Cost of being part of the EU's failing economy: 0.8% GDP per annum, £80 bn
But this excludes the cost to GDP of associating with Europe's slow growth (1.8%, down to 1.2% in the last quarter) instead of the much faster Commonwealth's growth (3.4% versus our 2.6% =0.8% x our £1 trillion GDP = £80 billion).
Government + Economist's figures 128bn + 80 bn = £208 billion, or 20% of our economy.
£208 billion per annum = £570 million per day. More than half a billion a day.
The EU costs every person in Britain £3,350 per year.
£208 billion divided by the British working population of 28 million = £7,400 per working salary. (or £3.70 per working hour).
That's why people in outlying counties earn only £5 per hour - Europe has sucked the wealth out of the economy before it even gets to us.
Mathematical cost of 33 Years in the EU = £208/2 x 33= £3,432 billion.
Trading with the EU costs us £22 bn on our balance of payments
Britain made a profit trading with the EU 30 years ago, before we joined. Now EU regulations have fixed it so we lose £22bn trading with them annually, straight off our balance of payments. We should leave, and make a profit out of them again. Europe is taking British jobs and selling product to us and making money out of us. Not that we would want this, but We would be economically better off if we ceased all trade with Europe; we would have more jobs, and enjoy the surpluses we still have with the rest of the world.
Eurostat put Europe's growth at 1.8% at 30th Sept 2004. The next quarter was an annual rate of 1.2% and its still falling.
The EU - a corrupt leadership, treaties that build a dictatorship, with the laws of a police state, that has already cost us over one trillion pounds. Can we please leave?
David Noakes 01326 316298; 07837 107 528.
http://drjn.co.uk/ | | | | Diceros | | Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject: |
| Cut + Paste /Kut + Paste/Kut + Paste, /Cut + Paste. Kay-tee, kween of Kut +waste.
and she moans abt my use of bandwith. HAHAHAHA.
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Hmm. WELL , we all know there's a load of bull crap bannied abt .- like - "We have lost the right to freedom " - We have lost the right to life - "our democracy is being withdrawn " - etc.etc.
The fact remains that we are equal to the same rights as any other EU citizen, and if Parties like UKIP together with their French/German/Dutch/Spanish - EU Parliamentary Members consider that the average EU citizens rights are threatened , then surely they are better inside EU Parliament than out. Why else should they've been elected.
The clock cannot be turned back , I'm not in favour of isolating Britain, we are geographically, cutlurally European - and like it or not, our economic survival depends on favourable trading terms with our closest neighbours.
Frankly , I dread to think what our standards of living would have been , if not for the terms of our EEC-EU membership. some of which was hard won by the Iron Lady , Maggie with her handbag.
We cant have it both ways.
Cheers. | | | | Diceros | | Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: |
| KT - I'm a firm believer in listening to both sides (often more) to any dispute .
Unlike you I wont C +P the whole damn lot , just a bit and then provide a link to the rest.
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Why does Europe need the Treaty of Lisbon?
To realise its full potential, the European Union needs to modernise and reform. The European Union of 27 members is operating with rules designed for an EU of 15. Over the last decade, the European Union has been looking for the right way forward to optimise the instruments at its disposal and reinforce its capacity to act.
At the same time, there is increasing support for the EU to work together on issues that affect us all, such as climate change, energy security and international terrorism. As the EU has grown and its responsibilities have changed, it makes sense to update the way in which it works. Welcome improvements delivered by the Treaty would include giving the EU the means to tackle today's challenges in today's world.
There are three fundamental reasons for the Treaty: more efficiency in the decision-making process; more democracy through a greater role for the European Parliament and national parliaments; and increased coherence externally. All of these will equip the EU to better promote the interests of its citizens on a day-to-day basis.
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The Treaty of Lisbon strengthens the democratic control of the European Union with a stronger role for both the European Parliament and national parliaments.
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cheers. | | | | Diceros | | | | ktholcombe | | Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | Cut + Paste /Kut + Paste/Kut + Paste, /Cut + Paste. Kay-tee, kween of Kut +waste. |
I've see I've picked up my own pesonal board stalker. After all these years and with the board about to end.....it has to end for me by my being stalked by the thickest, most mindless, pointless, witless, brainless twit on the board who has nothing whatsoever to say, but brays away endlessly at his own lack of wit that he apparently finds funny. Why oh why do I have to get stalked by Diceros.....the most boring board idiot of all time!!! Boo hoo!
Not sure I have the stomach for this imbecile for the next month.....it makes Cowbollox look like a member of Mensa!!! It knows nothing and has no argument. Just hooked on stalking apparently.
It's now so desperate to latch on to everything I post, it's pasting to tell me that it's read the official E.U propaganda. Waaaaaaah! Yes, Diceros. Well done, Diceros. Very good, Diceros......very clever Diceros. Have a 'Good Boy' chocolate drop.
Dear Lord, give me patience. | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:56 pm Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | I'm a firm believer in listening to both sides (often more) to any dispute . |
So am I. And I'm a firm believer in equality under our law. A key component of that law for any law abiding citizen is consent. You want to change my way of life, you want to alter my rights, intervene in my affairs, govern my behaviour, draw from my earnings? Go ahead, argue the case and then have the fucking manners to ask for my input, if it's not too much trouble - no really, I insist. Maybe we'll strike a bargain, maybe we won't. But do an end run around me and proclaim brazenly my opinions and consent are irrelevant and I'll beg to differ. First with words and in the absence of remedy then with my fists. It's my right, granted to me first and foremost by God and then negotiated by my forefathers and passed down. I will protect my rights, fight for them and hand them over, hopefully untarnished, to my own children. If this isn't how we are to proceed or if the guy with more guns enforces his will then I am, to all intents and purposes, a slave in body though I won't accept it in mind because to do so would be morally indefensible. Any person who accepts dictation from the EU or any alien body without inquiry and who does not engage his right and duty to represent himself is a willing slave. How could it be argued otherwise? This is a very simple matter made complex by deception and diversion. The swine of Europe may be pushing ahead in their ignorance or intolerance of what is truly democratic or lawful or moral but I see no reason to be herded by them like a sheep when in fact I am not mere livestock but instead a human being. This is the argument, this is where a final line has to be drawn and all else is jumping the gun. I'm ready to talk, it is the 'democratic' EU that refuses the conversation.
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Please sign the petition to prosecute War Criminal Tony Blair | | | | Von Curtis | | Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:48 am Post subject: THE ULTIMATE FOR THE CONTROL FREAK |
| Some people apparently have this vision that centralizing everything is perfection, tidiness and efficiency. Diversity and real democracy upsets their state of mind, not to mention their life styles.
Centralization is the ultimate state of being for the control freak and their ego - they cannot possibly imagine another way for people too exist and prosper.
I believe we are in danger of going to the end point of the nazi dream .
No doubt there are some good reasons for the EU and centralization and globalism , the crooks always piggy back on good ideas and use them for their own nasty purposes and they have the media on board to twist things.
I hope Europeans can de-rail the nasty dictatorial aspects and keep the good ones. | | | | Von Curtis | | Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: Is this really the way you want to be governed ruled?. |
| Elections Over,The EU Tightens Grip on The UK- The Tories Are Grinning From Ear To Ear….
http://centurean2.wordpress.com/2009/06/13/elections-overthe-eu-tightens-grip-on-the-uk-the-tories-are-grinning-from-ear-to-ear/
The only way we are going to stop these lies, tricks and devious tactics is to get the UK out of the EU. The only way you are going to get out of the EU is to vote for anyone except Labour, Conservatives or the LibDem’s.
Please remember, if you continue to vote the same, you will continue to get the same.
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