| Author | Message | | hateliars | | Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:28 pm Post subject: Gross Fraud At Nuremberg - An Ugly History |
| Gross Fraud At Nuremberg - An Ugly History
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The Nuremberg trials are a vast, vast subject. That the evidence used against the defendants was very dubious and obtained by even more dubious methods is, however, very clear. A small sampling of the techniques employed is described by the distinguished English historian, David Irving in his "Nuremberg: The Last Battle". From pp.150-151.
"Garnering usable documentary evidence became a mounting nightmare for Jackson. He had become disenchanted with the productivity and intelligence of General Donovan's O.S.S. They had promised much but delivered little. What Donovan regarded as evidence, he certainly would not. 'I never had any feeling that anybody had trapped me into the thing,' Jackson commented later. But I was in the trap!'
It soon became clear that the O.S.S. had intended all along to stage-manage the whole trial along the lines of an N.K.V.D. show trial, with Jackson little more than a professional actor. As part of the stage-management they proposed to run a pre-trial propaganda campaign in the United States with 'increasing emphasis on the publication of atrocity stories to keep the public in the proper frame of mind.' To this end the O.S.S. devised and scripted for the education of the American public a two-reel film on war crimes, called 'Crime and Punishment'; it was designed to put the case against the leading Nazis. Jackson declined to participate. He refused even to read the speech that the O.S.S. had scripted for him to read into the cameras. 'As you know,' he wrote to the O.S.S. officer concerned, the British are particularly sensitive about lawyers trying their cases in the newspapers and other vehicles of communication.'
The film proposal was followed by an explicit O.S.S. suggestion for launching a 'black propaganda' during the course of the trial, with agents in selected foreign countries starting rumours designed to influence public opinion in favour of the trial and against the defendants. This would be far more effective, they pointed out, than mounting a straightforward public relations campaign which would obviously be seen as emanating from the powers conducting the trials. One of Jackson's staff secretly notified him that the suggestion was 'fantastic, if not entirely dangerous,'and the justice himself penciled a pithy comment on the letter: 'The scheme is cock-eyed. Give them no encouragement.'
Vestiges of the unsavory methods of the O.S.S. can still be seen among the earlier Nuremberg records for instance, at the pre-trial interrogations the defendants were not accompanied by lawyers; and were frequently persuaded by trickery or intimidation to subscribe to testimonies incriminating others which we now know to have been false. The files are full of curiosities for instance anonymous typed extracts of documents instead of the originals, and sworn statements by witnesses like Hoss, commandant of Auschwitz, in which all the 'witnesses to his signature' have signed, but not Hoss himself. The Americans also submitted as exhibit 1553-PS a file of invoices for substantial consignments of Zyklon B (hydrogen cyanide pellets) supplied to the pest-control office at Auschwitz; they concealed the fact that the same file contained invoices for identical quantities of Zyklon B delivered to the camp at Oranienberg, outside Berlin, where it was never alleged there had been any 'gas chambers'.
These paragraphs are, of course, only a very brief overview of the innumerable deficiencies of the 'evidence' at Nuremberg. The overwhelming Jewish presence behind the scenes as interrogators, jailers and torturers is covered elsewhere in Irving's excellent, but far from complete, study. The sampling of techniques employed, however, is more than sufficient to demonstrate that truth was never the objective of the orchestrators of the trial. That is the key point in evaluating Nuremberg. All the evidence, real and faked at the great trial, was evidence in pursuit of a pre-determined verdict. It was desired to demonstrate that the Germans were uniquely evil, that the Germans had waged aggressive war, that the Germans had committed great 'crimes against humanity' and that the greatest of these alleged crimes was the alleged extermination of six million Jews in so-called 'gas chambers'. To reach these pre-determined verdicts, the court manipulated and distorted evidence on a massive scale. Therefore, any honest assessment of the German National Socialist government built on Nuremberg conclusions is inherently flawed. It is the art of writing history based on victor's propaganda. | |  | | Diceros | | Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | The Nuremberg trials are a vast, vast subject. That the evidence used against the defendants was very dubious and obtained by even more dubious methods is, however, very clear. A |
Frankly, my dear , I dont care a damn whatever happened to those Nazi swines - Good job , I say.
I dread to think what would have happened to us IF the fucking Nazis won.
" It has been said that the only power denied to God is the ability to alter the past, I suppose that's why God tolerates quasi historians like David Irving + co.
| Quote: | | It is the art of writing history based on victor's propaganda. |
More to the point, history is more often as not written by men who were'nt present.eye-witnesses , to the events they write about.
Cheers. | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:57 pm Post subject: |
| Nuremberg was a cynical exercise in justice and an attempt to redirect the Allies own evil and decisions exclusively on the Nazis.
You have the Soviet Union who made a non-aggression pact with Hitler's Germany, took half of Poland, occupied the free independent Baltic nations, invaded Finland, massacred 25,000+ Poles at Katyn, blamed the Germans while the French, US and British governments knew that the Soviets were the perpetrators, the Soviets denied complicity for 40 years. The Soviets stood by outside Warsaw during the 1944 uprising and even refused to supply the Poles Stalin's regime killed more people that Hitler yet Stalin was sought with foresight and design as an ally and they then stood over Germans as judge and jury at Nuremberg?
I'm not defending Hitler and Nazism but we backed for reasons never fully explained backed the worse of the two evils and Nuremberg while attempting to be some idealistic world accounting of united nations was a cynical exercise and Diceros study it's origins and how it came into being.
And the first people released, pardon or commuted from Nuremberg "justice" where the financiers and industrialists Hjalmar Schaact and Alfried Krupp. Speer the genius technician and Hess, party secretary who sought peace served their full terms. Who actually was more responsible for killing more people and advancing WW2?
There is more to history than what they tell you but just as important by what they don't tell you.
Irving goes where the gatekeeper historians won't go. A far more courageous act who has suffered for it and is open to review while the gatekeepers hide behind the government and official secrets. And some of Irving's work is considered world class in his history of the German High Command, areas never investigated. Irving tried, ne never stood pat and you can judge him accordingly but you're "phooey Irving" comments tell me you really haven't read some of his stuff.
I'll take "history outside the box" for $300 Alex over your indignation any day. | | | | hateliars | | Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | Frankly, my dear , I dont care a damn whatever happened to those Nazi swines - Good job , I say. |
May you one day be subject to the same brand of 'justice'. | | | | Diceros | | Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: |
| What will be , will be, my friend. THere's nowt either of us can do about it.
Thanks
I wish you well.
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