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Mutiny in the USA: Will the Generals arrest Bush? - page 2

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Guest-400c
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:54 am    Post subject: Zionism Unbound (in US Government)

Zionism Unbound (in US Government)


http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/23/zionism-unbound-in-us-government.php


Bush Rejects Aid to States but Will Flow Billions to Israel:


http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/12/bush-rejects-aid-to-states-but-will-flow-billions-to-israel.php


"One Nation under Israel"

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/06/one-nation-under-israel.php

Sharon's War:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/28/sharon-s-war.php

Zionist (JINSA) Jew Paul Wolfowitz Concerned about Turkey:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/09/zionist-jinsa-jew-paul-wolfowitz-concerned-about-turkey.php

Powell Struggled Against JINSA Zionists in Bush Regime:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/11/20/powell-struggled-against-jinsa-zionists-in-bush-regime.php
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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:28 pm    Post subject: againstcain

So much for the generals then. It's going to happen.

I have a question for you folks, which may be quite hard to answer. (Like asking you how you'd feel about Kennedy's assassination BEFORE the event took place. You know it's going to happen, but are powerless to stop it.)

So how will you react when the news breaks and the killing starts?

I have a good friend, Ken Nichols, who's leading a double-decker full of "shielders" out to Iraq. I may never see the guy again - but he's on the move; he's chugging. Me. I'm paralysed.

Will we all just sit stupified in front of the goggle box? Or will we snap?

I'm just interested to know if you feel the same way I do: I see only a handful of people who want to close out the light from the sky, and millions who want to stop them but cannot move for lead boots.
Anglo Thug
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: againstcain

Guest-d958 wrote:
So much for the generals then. It's going to happen.

I have a question for you folks, which may be quite hard to answer. (Like asking you how you'd feel about Kennedy's assassination BEFORE the event took place. You know it's going to happen, but are powerless to stop it.)

So how will you react when the news breaks and the killing starts?

I have a good friend, Ken Nichols, who's leading a double-decker full of "shielders" out to Iraq. I may never see the guy again - but he's on the move; he's chugging. Me. I'm paralysed.

Will we all just sit stupified in front of the goggle box? Or will we snap?

I'm just interested to know if you feel the same way I do: I see only a handful of people who want to close out the light from the sky, and millions who want to stop them but cannot move for lead boots.


Good analysis in my opinion. If people do nothing else they should at least write to their MP and voice their condemnation ON A DAILY BASIS. EVERYDAY. NON-STOP. WITHOUT FAIL. MAKE IT A HABIT.

Tony Blair is too democratic to provide any contact details to the public so your own MPs will have to be the target of this action - whether they support the proposed criminal strike against Iraq or not. Fear for their jobs is the only weapon that can be used against MPs.

Also, letters and e-mails to newspapers, journals, magazines, embassies, foreign governments. Everyone that has silently watched as the destruction of Iraq has been steadily planned.

Most importantly, if you can, try not to buy any oil products from any of the companies that will reap the blood profits from this invasion. This may be impossible to do, given their monopolistic practices, but wherever it is possible, boycott them. Don't let them profit from the proceeds of murder.

But your are right. Most people will concede and try to ignore the fact that we are blowing limbs off children to get rich. One advantage though. The world will be a safer place once we have slaughtered thousands in the Middle East. Won't it?
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Jefferson Davis
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 3:50 pm    Post subject:

Quote:
I have a question for you folks, which may be quite hard to answer. (Like asking you how you'd feel about Kennedy's assassination BEFORE the event took place. You know it's going to happen, but are powerless to stop it.)


I'm not sure I see any analogy there but there appears to be growing doubt and skepticism among people about going the US (Americans included) going it alone without substantial proof. This rush to war without international cooperation seems to go against a lot of Americans who are saying, "we've waited 12 years, why not a few more months for the inspections to work out".

I really think that there are nasties in Iraq somewhere and Bush's need to go forward without this proof is contrary to accepted norms of fairness and right. I know the weather fits into a timetable for action but the proof he could get which would somewhat validate his decisions are not there. Why not wait and find them. Iraq will sucumb to military action later as easily now. War is not a game of Stratego, Risk or Chess, real people's lives are at stake and that onus should never be taken lightly. it is a last and final act after all other means have failed. If not, history calls it aggression and a lot of good people are dead.
DNA
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:00 pm    Post subject: My opinion

Islam go home.
Anglo Thug
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:18 pm    Post subject: Re: My opinion

DNA wrote:
Islam go home.


Miserable coward. People of the Islamic faith who live in this country are already home. Your place, however, is in the gutter and I'd appreciate it if you'd return there.
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Guest-d567
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:41 pm    Post subject: Saddam's the problem

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Americans who are saying, "we've waited 12 years, why not a few more months for the inspections to work out".


Saddam's "12 years" ran out back in December ...

Read it again, for over 12 friggin' years this guy has played the world and some folks think a "few more months" are going to make a difference. It's no secret, some think Saddam is the good guy in all this, and that simply stinks.

Those going to Iraq to protect Saddam best be aware that it won't make any difference. The discussions should be how will Saddam at last be dealt with, not if. Don't the people of Iraq deserve better than this thug?
Jefferson Davis
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Saddam's the problem

Guest-d567 wrote:


Saddam's "12 years" ran out back in December ...

Read it again, for over 12 friggin' years this guy has played the world and some folks think a "few more months" are going to make a difference. It's no secret, some think Saddam is the good guy in all this, and that simply stinks.

Those going to Iraq to protect Saddam best be aware that it won't make any difference. The discussions should be how will Saddam at last be dealt with, not if. Don't the people of Iraq deserve better than this thug?


I am certainly not arguing that Saddam's reign is good but this idea of "WAR NOW!". The US thanks to Powell's insistance and Blair's moderating influenece forced the Administration to the UN and they got UNSC approval. The inspections are on going and are working but there seems to be an idea that regardless, the war must begin in Feb after the Jan. 27 report is issued. They have found some dubious items and I believe there is more to be found, let the process continue and when the items are found, there won't be any valid complaints of US unilateralism. The rule of law has been the defining difference of the West over those who don't follow it. It is what makes us 'unique'. To ignore this makes us no better than those we condemn. It's that simple.

And spare me the rhetoric that material breaches have already occurred because when the inspections are over say 90 or 180 days from now (I have no problem with inposing a deadline), even Blix won't come back and say that Iraq has no weapons of WMD, he won't, but he will say that 1441 has not been complied with because he is saying that now. The law will have been served and each country will have to make their respective decisions and choices but the processs and 'rule of law' will have been served which is just as important as replacing Saddam's treachery. Now and for the future and the West will be well served by it.
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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 8:34 pm    Post subject: THEY LIED TO YOU ABOUT WORLD TRADE CENTER SEVEN.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency Report
on World Trade Center Seven.


World Trade Center Seven collapsed on September 11, 2001, at 5:20 p.m. There were no known casualties due to this collapse. The performance of WTC 7 is of significant interest because it appears the collapse was due primarily to fire, rather than any impact damage from the collapsing towers. On the contrary, it appears the collapse was due primarily due to a controlled demolition. Prior to September 11, 2001, there was little, if any, record of fire-induced collapse of large fire-protected steel buildings. Before September 11, no steel framed skyscraper had ever collapsed due to fire.

On September 11, WTC 7 collapsed totally. It is suggested below that this collapse was exclusively due to fire. No significant evidence is offered to back up this suggestion (after all it is only a suggestion). It should be emphasized that WTC 7 was neither hit by an aircraft nor by significant quantities of debris from the collapse of the twin towers. It is also widely claimed that WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed mainly due to fire. I emphasize, that before September 11, no steel framed skyscraper had ever collapsed due to fire. However, on September 11, it is claimed that three steel framed skyscrapers collapsed mainly, or totally, due to fire.




As you can see from the above animated-gif, the collapse of WTC 7 certainly has the appearance of a controlled demolition. But, judge for yourself, download and watch the following short video clips and a larger version of the animated-gif:

A Video of the collapse of WTC 7. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7big.rm
Another video of the collapse of WTC 7. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/7collapse.avi
And another video of the collapse of WTC 7. http://ontario.indymedia.org/local/webcast/uploads/wtc-7_collapse.mpg
And yet another video of the collapse of WTC 7. http://www.indymedia.org/local/webcast/uploads/wtc-7_cbs.mpg
A larger (3.3 MB) version of the above animated-gif. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc-7_1_.gif

If you wish to save the small animated-gif, right click on the image and select Save Image As from the menu. You can also view some short sequences of still shots from the videos by http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/Seven/WTC-seven.htm clicking here (620 KB). The most obvious feature that indicates a controlled demolition, is the almost even collapse of the building. This shows that all the supports for the structure failed at the same time. Some coincidence eh? This video evidence is so compelling that no other evidence is really necessary (many thanks to http://www.whatreallyhappened.com and http://home.attbi.com/~jmking/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html for the videos and animated-gifs).

See http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/WTC_ch5.htm (1.3 MB) for the missing section.

News coverage after 1:30 p.m. showed light-colored smoke flowing out of openings on the upper floors of the south side of the building. Another photograph (Figure 5-18) of the skyline at 3:25 p.m., taken from the southwest, shows a large volume of dark smoke coming from all but the lowest levels of WTC 7, where white smoke is emanating.



Figure 5-18 WTC 7, with a large volume of dark smoke rising from it, just visible behind WFC 1 (left). A much smaller volume of white smoke is seen rising from the base of WTC 7. Note that the lower, lighter-colored smoke (to right) is thought to be from the two collapsed towers

This photo amply demonstrates the dishonesty of the authors of this article (and of the FEMA report generally). It must have taken them some time to find a photo as misleading as this one. But since deception is the name of the game the effort to find such pictures was made.

What is so deceitful about the use of this photo, you ask?

Note that the corners of various buildings in the photo line up (WFC 1 and WTC 7 line up as do the Bankers Trust building and the apartment building in the center of the photo). These corners have been marked by red dots in the aerial photograph of Manhattan below. Draw lines through these dots and where they cross is where the photo was snapped. So we see that the above photo was taken from a boat on the Hudson and that in order to see the smoke from WTC 7 we have to look through the thick smoke from the ruins of WTC 1 and WTC 2. Very deceitful indeed.




The mode of fire and smoke spread was unclear; however, it may have been propagated through interior shafts, between floors along the south facade that may have been damaged, or other internal openings, as well as the floor slab/exterior facade connections.

It appeared that water on site was limited due to a 20-inch broken water main in Vesey Street. This is an outright lie. This is Manhattan, more fire hydrants per square meter than any other place on earth. Although WTC 7 was sprinklered, it did not appear that there would have been a sufficient quantity of water to control the growth and spread of the fires on multiple floors. Crap, there was plenty of water. In addition, the firefighters made the decision fairly early on not to attempt to fight the fires, due in part to the damage to WTC 7 from the collapsing towers. The people who told the firefighters not to put out the small localized fires in WTC 7 should be held liable and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. That the decision was made because of damage to WTC 7 is a joke. The extent and severity of the damage to WTC 7 was so slight that it is still unknown to this day. If there had been major damage the authors of this article would have provided evidence of it. Hence, the fire progressed throughout the day fairly unimpeded by automatic or manual suppression activities.

See http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/WTC_ch5.htm (1.3 MB) for the missing section.

So we have been presented with the following absurd story:

  1. Power to the Twin Towers was wired from the substation in WTC 7 through two separate systems. The first provided power throughout each building; the second provided power only to the emergency systems. In the event of fire, power would only be provided to the emergency systems. This was to prevent arcing electric lines igniting new fires and to reduce the risk of firefighters being electrocuted. There were also six 1,200 kW emergency power generators located in the sixth basement (B-6) level of the towers, which provided a backup power supply. These also had normal and emergency subsystems.
  2. Previous to the collapse of the South Tower, the power to the towers was switched to the emergency subsystem to provide power for communications equipment, elevators, emergency lighting in corridors and stairwells, and fire pumps and safety for firefighters. At this time power was still provided by the WTC 7 substation.
  3. Con Ed reported that "the feeders supplying power to WTC 7 were de-energized at 9:59 a.m.". This was due to the South Tower collapse which occurred at the same time.
  4. Unfortunately, even though the main power system for the towers was switched off and WTC 7 had been evacuated, a design flaw allowed generators (designed to supply backup power for the WTC complex) to start up and resume an unnecessary and unwanted power supply.
  5. Unfortunately, debris from the collapse of the north tower (the closest tower) fell across the building known as World Trade Center Six, and then across Vesey Street, and then impacted WTC 7 which is (at closest) 355 feet away from the north tower.
  6. Unfortunately, some of this debris penetrated the outer wall of WTC 7, smashed half way through the building, demolishing a concrete masonry wall (in the north half of the building) and then breached a fuel oil pipe that ran across the building just to the north of the masonry wall.
  7. Unfortunately, though most of the falling debris was cold, it manages to start numerous fires in WTC 7.
  8. Unfortunately, even with the outbreak of numerous fires in the building, no decision was made to turn off the generators now supplying electricity to WTC 7. Fortunately, for the firefighters, someone did make the decision not to fight and contain the fires while they were still small, but to wait until the fires were large and out of control. Otherwise, many firefighters may have been electrocuted while fighting the fires.
  9. Unfortunately, the safety mechanism that should have shut down the fuel oil pumps (which were powered by electricity) upon the breaching of the fuel line, failed to work and fuel oil (diesel) was pumped from the Salomon Smith Barney tanks on the ground floor onto the 5th floor where it ignited. The pumps eventually emptied the tanks, pumping some 12,000 gallons in all.
  10. Unfortunately, the sprinkler system of WTC 7 malfunctioned and did not extinguish the fires.
  11. Unfortunately, the burning diesel heated trusses one and two to the point that they lost their structural integrity.
  12. Unfortunately, this then (somehow) caused the whole building to collapse, even though before September 11, no steel framed skyscraper had ever collapsed due to fire.

You must agree, it is absurd, isn't it?


See http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/WTC_ch5.htm (1.3 MB) for the missing section.

5.8 Conclusion:

This report (the FEMA report) is a JOKE.
PSCM USCGR
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 10:18 pm    Post subject:

The Generals will arrest Bush on the same day that I report to the Vatican for my new job as Pope. In other words...it won't ever happen. But if it does, I guess I should brush up on my Latin.
 

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