| Author | Message | | sharkman | |  | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2002 10:34 pm Post subject: |
| Hi Sharkman - this goes on all the time. The US and the UK have been bombing Iraq on a daily basis since the end of the Gulf Massacre. The Turks have also been allowed to bomb Kurds in the north without any protest from the 'protectors' of airspace in the illegal no-fly zones.
The following is copyright - John Pilger (New Statesman)
Britain and America's pilots are blowing the cover on our so-called 'humanitarian' no-fly zone. Royal Air Force pilots have protested for the first time about their role in the bombing of Iraq. Pilots patrolling the so-called no-fly zone in the north of the country have spoken angrily about how they have been ordered to return to their base in Turkey in order to allow the Turkish air force to bomb the Kurds in Iraq - the very people the British are meant to be "protecting".
The pilots say that, whenever the Turkish air force wants to launch attacks on the Kurds, they are recalled to base and their radar is switched so that the targets will not be visible. One British pilot reported seeing the devastation caused by the attacks when he resumed his patrol.
The Blair government has said nothing about this, because Turkey is a member of Nato. Almost all Kurds applying for asylum in Britain - from Turkey and Iraq - have been refused. Jack Straw's new Terrorism Act bans the PKK, which has no history of violence in this country. This means that Kurdish activists resident in Britain are now at risk of being sent back to Turkey: to prison, or worse. In the past few weeks more than 1,000 political prisoners on hunger strike in Turkish jails have been attacked by the authorities, leaving 33 people dead. Again, Whitehall's response has been silence.
Last December, more than 10,000 Turkish troops invaded northern Iraq, killing untold numbers of civilians and fighters of the Kurdistan Workers'Party, the PKK. British and American aircraft "protecting" the Kurds did nothing to prevent the invasion; indeed, most patrols were suspended to allow the Turks to get on with the killing. Inside Turkey, the Ankara regime has destroyed 3,000 Kurdish villages, displaced more than three million people and killed tens of thousands. Racist laws prevent Turkish Kurds from speaking their language; parliamentarians and journalists who speak out end up in prison, or assassinated. The pilots agreed to speak, on a non-attributable basis, to Dr Eric Herring, the Iraq sanctions specialist at Bristol University. "They were all very unhappy about what they had been ordered to do, and what they had seen," he said, "especially as there had been no official explanation."
While British government ministers have repeatedly described the no-fly-zones as "humanitarian cover" for the Kurds, the pilots' unease has become an open secret in the United States. Last October, the Washington Post reported: "On more than one occasion [US pilots who fly in tandem with the British] have received a radio message that 'there is a TSM inbound' - that is, a 'Turkish Special Mission' heading into Iraq.
Following standard orders, the Americans turned their planes around and flew back to Turkey. 'You'd see Turkish F-14s and F-16s inbound, loaded to the gills with munitions,'[pilot Mike Horn]said. 'Then they'd come out half an hour later with their munitions expended.' When the Americans flew back into Iraqi air space, he recalled, they would see 'burning villages, lots of smoke and fire'."
Last December, more than 10,000 Turkish troops invaded northern Iraq, killing untold numbers of civilians and fighters of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, the PKK. British and American aircraft "protecting" the Kurds did nothing to prevent the invasion; indeed, most patrols were suspended to allow the Turks to get on with the killing. Inside Turkey, the Ankara regime has destroyed 3,000 Kurdish villages, displaced more than three million people and killed tens of thousands. Racist laws prevent Turkish Kurds from speaking their language; parliamentarians and journalists who speak out end up in prison, or assassinated.
The Blair government has said nothing about this, because Turkey is a member of Nato. Almost all Kurds applying for asylum in Britain - from Turkey and Iraq - have been refused. Jack Straw's new Terrorism Act bans the PKK, which has no history of violence in this country. This means that Kurdish activists resident in Britain are now at risk of being sent back to Turkey: to prison, or worse. In the past few weeks more than 1,000 political prisoners on hunger strike in Turkish jails have been attacked by the authorities, leaving 33 people dead. Again, Whitehall's response has been silence.
RAF pilots are gradually becoming aware of the dishonest power game of which they are a part, and that the no-fly zones have no basis in international law and provide no "humanitarian cover" for the Kurds in the north and the Shi'a in the south. Concern for these people was always a sham.
In 1991, when President Bush Sr called for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, he was really inviting Saddam's generals to stage a military coup and install a more malleable dictator. The last thing he wanted was the ensuing popular uprising by the Shi'a in March of that year - which Saddam crushed with helicopter gunships that the US allowed him to fly, and while American commanders denied weapons and equipment to the rebels. An estimated 30,000 people were slaughtered. "We clearly would have preferred a coup. There's no question about that," said Bush's national security adviser Brent Scowcroft in 1997. The British commander in the Gulf war, General Sir Peter de la Billière, said, apparently with a straight face: "The Iraqis were responsible for establishing law and order."
Eric Herring wrote to me: "Perhaps the most repulsive thing about the whole policy is that US and British decision- makers have exploited popular humanitarian sentiment for the most cynical Realpolitik reasons. They have no desire for the Shi'ite majority to take control or for the Kurds to gain independence. Their policy is to keep them strong enough to cause trouble for Saddam Hussein while ensuring that Saddam Hussein is strong enough to keep repressing them. This is a direct descendant of British imperial policy from the First World War onwards [and is about the control] of Iraqi oil . . . Divide and rule was and is the policy."
Recently, Richard Norton-Taylor disclosed in the Guardian that Britain's military establishment was concerned about the proposed new international criminal court. The generals complained that rules made in Brussels might "prevent British peacekeepers from carrying out their tasks effectively".
Their real concern, and that of western politicians, was put by Michael Caplan, the former lawyer to General Pinochet, who questioned how Tony Blair would be able to defend himself were he charged with bombing targets in Kosovo knowing that civilians would be killed.
When he was the Foreign Office minister responsible for Iraq, Peter Hain wrote to the New Statesman, describing as preposterous the very suggestion that he, and other British ministers directly complicit in the atrocious embargo against Iraq, might be summoned to appear before the new court.
We shall see. | | | | msteffan1 | | Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2002 8:16 pm Post subject: |
| Ahh..Turkey,, our good friends in Turkey.
Arent they trying to get into EU too..?
Didnt they fire at assaylum seekers in the Med and blamed Tony for saying they have to do something?
Dont we have a new divisonal headquarters, without the division but with the supplies based there now?
Dont we need them for the future invasion of Iraq?
Didnt they get lots of spondoolics for their relief of British forces in Kabul?
Came late so they did,,, obviously play a good hand of poker...
Isnt the west now re -assessing their long held policy on Cypus now and the Turkish land occupation there?
Didnt the west or one of the west supply major pressure on Greek alliance Cyprus to not install some pretty serious missile kit not on Cyprus but in Crete for the time being, wander who that was to benefit.
Turky obviously flavour of the day. Forget the human rights issues...Why is that..
Turkish Delight...Love it..Its the coffee and the crappy hypocracy I cant stand. | | | | Saint | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:13 am Post subject: |
| "Baghdad does not recognize the zones which the United States and Britain say were imposed to protect Muslim Shi'ites in the south and a Kurdish enclave in the north from possible attacks by Iraqi government forces."
In fact, nobody recognises the illegal no-fly zones except the criminals that enforce them. Come on Reuters - call yourself a news agency? No mention of illegal Turkish activity in the north I notice. | | | | Saint | | Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2002 3:19 am Post subject: |
| | Anglo Thug wrote: | "Baghdad does not recognize the zones which the United States and Britain say were imposed to protect Muslim Shi'ites in the south and a Kurdish enclave in the north from possible attacks by Iraqi government forces."
In fact, nobody recognises the illegal no-fly zones except the criminals that enforce them. Come on Reuters - call yourself a news agency? No mention of illegal Turkish activity in the north I notice. |
Rather worrying that. | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:07 pm Post subject: |
| And even more worrying is the blatant disregard the war leaders now show for the people who are forced to fund this silent killing - us, the taxpayer. It used to be that the likes of Blair would make lames excuses as to why we need to support butcher regimes or bring misery to foreign civilian populations. Even though these reasons were often ridiculous and steeped in hypocrisy at least a dialogue, however one sided, existed.
Now we get told to mind our own patriotism. Requests are met with the usual cry of 'secrecy, secrecy, secrecy.' Asking a question might be a threat to 'assets' abroad - the same assets (or assholes?) that allowed 11/9 to happen.
So if we see our jets at constant war or our 'allies' committing crimes our only course of action, as offered by Bush, is to lend our support or leave the country and join the terrorists. Some democracy. Some civilisation. | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Tue Jul 30, 2002 12:12 pm Post subject: |
| | Oh yes - apparently, being able to voice an opinion when nobody is listening is meant to be a measure of the liberty we all enjoy. I guess we will soon get to choose again whether Blair or IDS takes up the responsibility for making our decisions. As such, we are free. By then, of course, another five year batch of damage will have been inflicted and the path back to decency will be even more distant. | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
