| Author | Message | | Saint | | Posted: Wed May 29, 2002 8:16 pm Post subject: |
| | DP wrote: | | Saint wrote: | | Hello all... |
Hello Saint. Is that a picture of Albert Einstein or have I been over indulging the coffee?  |
Hello DP, that is indeed Einstein, why I posted it, I can't remember, it was late  | |  | | DP | | Posted: Wed May 29, 2002 8:24 pm Post subject: |
| | Saint wrote: | | DP wrote: | | Saint wrote: | | Hello all... |
Hello Saint. Is that a picture of Albert Einstein or have I been over indulging the coffee? |
Hello DP, that is indeed Einstein, why I posted it, I can't remember, it was late |
You're excused in that case. Mind you, always thought meself and Albert have a lot in common, but that's just me being modest  | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2002 2:55 am Post subject: DOMAIN CHANGES |
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The forum has moved to www.itszone.co.uk/ | | | | funglefoot | | Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2002 9:05 pm Post subject: |
| | There are only two things that the world economy is 100% reliant on. They are goods and services. The nature of these goods and services change with time and adapt to the prevailing conditions. I think it is incorrect to say that the world's economy relies 100% on oil. The world's economy has always relied on moving goods and services from places where they are abundant to places where they are scarce, and the carriers have done good business out of this. As oil becomes increasingly dear goods and services will have to position themselves closer to their point of consumption. | | | | GoldenButtercup | | Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2002 10:26 pm Post subject: |
| Hello Alan,
I hesitate to recommend books to any one because reading is such a personal choice.
How ever the author MAX Arthur has come to my attention
He has written several books one I thought you may be interested in
There shall be wings: The RAF from 1918 to the Present
His other books are The Manchester United Air Crash
Above all Courage
Northern Ireland Soldiers alking
Men of the Red Beret
The True Glory: The Royal Navy, 1919-1939
The Navy; 1939 to the Present Day.
All published by Hodder and Stoughton
The last book is the one I am currently ploughing through.
Hope you like at least one of them
Buttercup | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2002 1:31 am Post subject: |
| | fungalfoot wrote: | | There are only two things that the world economy is 100% reliant on. They are goods and services. The nature of these goods and services change with time and adapt to the prevailing conditions. I think it is incorrect to say that the world's economy relies 100% on oil. The world's economy has always relied on moving goods and services from places where they are abundant to places where they are scarce, and the carriers have done good business out of this. As oil becomes increasingly dear goods and services will have to position themselves closer to their point of consumption. |
Which is exactly what is happening, the service industries of the west are dealing in the money generated by the slave industries in the east and in Africa. Hence the excuse for terrorism, people will fight if they are starving to death whilst the resources that could be used to feed them instead go to providing beachfront properties for fat men or television sets on which the unconcerned watch distant famine.
We also need oil to fight wars. Without wars our economies would suffer as we would not be able to '[manage] the chief geopolitical prize... Eurasia', as the insane Zbigniew Brzezinski describes. | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:00 am Post subject: |
| | Anglo Thug wrote: | | fungalfoot wrote: | | There are only two things that the world economy is 100% reliant on. They are goods and services. The nature of these goods and services change with time and adapt to the prevailing conditions. I think it is incorrect to say that the world's economy relies 100% on oil. The world's economy has always relied on moving goods and services from places where they are abundant to places where they are scarce, and the carriers have done good business out of this. As oil becomes increasingly dear goods and services will have to position themselves closer to their point of consumption. |
Which is exactly what is happening, the service industries of the west are dealing in the money generated by the slave industries in the east and in Africa. Hence the excuse for terrorism, people will fight if they are starving to death whilst the resources that could be used to feed them instead go to providing beachfront properties for fat men or television sets on which the unconcerned watch distant famine.
We also need oil to fight wars. Without wars our economies would suffer as we would not be able to '[manage] the chief geopolitical prize... Eurasia', as the insane Zbigniew Brzezinski describes. |
Hello Anglo,
I don't quite follow what you are saying but I agree that cheaper alternative sources of supply are constantly sought in order to offset the increasing cost of transporting the goods to market. It seems to me that the suppliers of goods are the slaves of the oil industry. Goods need markets, need transportation to get there, requires OIL. I think I owe Fishy an apology.
The alternative imho would be to transfer Western OAPs back to the former colonies. Thus moving a market closer to the source of the goods and services. Thus cutting out some of the transport and oil. If I was a native Columbian or Zimbabwean I would rather be at the mercy of an old dear and her pet Scottie than BP or Exxon etc. This happens to some extent with the tourist industry but here of course the OIL industry scores heavily in flying them there and back.
It seems my friend Osama bin Laden was right. What we need is less bums on aircraft seats and in order to get this we need more bombs in aircraft. The world is spinning out of control and is doing so because the transport industry has become so predominant. But if I was bin Laden, maybe I credit him with too much altruism, I would instead of sabotaging aircraft concentrate my efforts on sabotaging the transport industry by ia:
contaminating fuel supplies
causing motorway and high street congestion
Simply reparking an abandoned old banger in the middle of the road strikes a blow against OIL.
One or two ambulances or fire engines might get caught in the net but they have licence to ride on the pavement. | | | | funglefoot | | Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:06 am Post subject: |
| | sorry Anglo that was me . . . . . . get bumped off by ntl now and again but then I only pay a fiver a month . . . . . forgot to log in again | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2002 11:12 pm Post subject: |
| | fungalfoot wrote: | Hello Anglo,
I don't quite follow what you are saying but I agree that cheaper alternative sources of supply are constantly sought in order to offset the increasing cost of transporting the goods to market. It seems to me that the suppliers of goods are the slaves of the oil industry. Goods need markets, need transportation to get there, requires OIL. I think I owe Fishy an apology. |
My mistake, I read too quickly and assumed point of production rather than point of consumption. However, expanding unsuitable markets in the third world (ie. consumer as opposed to agricultural based) alleviates some of the transport burden, though not much. As the third world becomes more wealthy - by wealthy I mean concentrated wealth in the hands of the few whilst the majority responsible for the production process remain poverty stricken - the double advantage of cheap goods to local market and supposed justification of the capitalist system (for want of a better term) will encourage more western short-term investment, for all the wrong reasons. Terrorism will have to be stamped out first, of course. By terrorism they mean cultural diversity, liberty, workers rights and human rights.
There are huge markets to be had and it is no surprise that the usual colonial players are leading the stampede to easy money. Having gouged every easily obtainable resource from the politically accessible regions of the planet, the corporate giants now have an entry into the areas vacated by the last superpower to challenge the US. It is safe to say that the western brand of globalisation is spearheaded by the US military. Big business then brings up the 'humanitarian' rear. So oil remains important not just as the blood sustaining transportation, as you point out, but also the vital ingredient that mobilises the armed trade enforcers.
The joke here may be a miscalculation in the volume of attainable fossil fuel deposits in the Caspian area - if current reports are to be believed. This does not detract from the other advantages produced by the latest American aggression and they always have the Venezuelan reserves to fall back on once they succeed in their coup attempt.
I'm not sure where the OAPs come into this and the whole issue might be overturned anyway if the American bubble finally bursts. The question of whether financial collapse would be a good or a bad thing is wide open to debate. The clincher, I suppose, will be how the 'civilised' US reacts when it is forced to suffer a little hardship itself. Badly I suspect. | | | | GoldenButtercup | | Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2002 4:29 pm Post subject: |
| Good Evening A.T.
Rather difficult to know which heading to place this under, so opted for this one.
Fort Benning,
I do not think I was present whn Harry raised this point,
when I did find the post I consigned it to my fav list to be digested later
Already have about 20 items there to be read,
Am going out later this evening so it will be Friday at the earliest before
the files will even be looked at. honest A.T. some of us do take notice and
file for future ref.
I must admit I had not realised it was to the day 17th July 1996 that
the loss of 230 lives occured. used for target practise I understand. oh
sorry leaking oil wasn't it, or some such nonesense.
Hope you are enjoying the beautiful sunshine.
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