| Author | Message | | Cowboy | | Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:23 am Post subject: |
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The simple fact is that ZB cannot dispute even one of the arguments from the anti-vaccine doctors, not even one. |
The simple fact is, I have done exactly that, regardless of your amusing rants... | |  | | zionistneoconsux | | Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:11 am Post subject: |
| You did not, liar. There are over 120 points of contention and your propaganda has not answered one, not one! You can't debate with me, ZB, because your weak and ignorant and only know how to spew "the party line" whereas I will delineate my attack until you succumb to a superior intellect which is on the right side of this argument.
Okay then. One of my goals is to keep this thread going in order to save innocent kids from disease, so let me list for you one by one the issues which you have failed to answer.
Case study #1. Whooping cough. Sweden stopped giving this vaccine after the 1978 epidemic sickened 84% of kids who had been FULLY vaccinated against whooping cough. Since then, without this vaccine, they have had less deaths from whooping cough than the US! And more importantly, their kids are getting whooping cough at older ages! Whopping cough is only considered deadly to very young children (under 1). After Sweden stopped vaccinating their kids, 90% of whooping cough cases were reported in kids OVER 1 year of age vs the US that reports 90% of whooping cough cases in children UNDER 1 year of age! Whooping cough is not a dangerous disease unless your under 1 year of age. It looks like the vaccine causes whooping cough in very young children vs getting it later in life (able to survive). Yes, 2-3 out of 100,000 un-vaccinated kids in Sweden developed whooping cough vs 1 in 100,000 in the US. However, the AGE of the kids was much older! Who cares if 3 in 100K 6 year olds gets whooping cough! It's the 1-2 month olds that die and get damaged from that bacteria, and 90% of the whopping cough cases in the US are for kids under 1 year old! Here is the research to prove this claim below. My question to ZB is this, which is worse, whopping cough in a 1 month old or 6 yr old?
Pertussis in Sweden after the cessation of general immunization in 1979.
[My paper] V Romanus, R Jonsell, S O Bergquist
Immunization against pertussis was introduced in Sweden in the 1950s and discontinued in 1979. This was followed by a low endemic level of pertussis for 3 years. Thereafter the incidence gradually increased and there were two outbreaks in 1983 and in 1985. In the period 1980 to 1985 pertussis was confirmed by culture or serology in 36,729 patients of which 11% were younger than 12 months of age and 69% were ages 1 to 6 years. An estimate of the total frequency of pertussis in preschool children was made from reports from a sample of the child health centers. The annual incidence rate per 100,000 population ages to 6 years increased from the 700 cases in 1981 to 3200 in 1985. The ratio of total cases to those reported from the laboratories was 3:1 in 1981 and 2:1 in 1985. The cumulative incidence rate by the average age of 4 years was estimated at 16% of the unimmunized cohort born in 1980 compared with 5% of the immunized cohort born in 1978.
Mesh-terms: Age Factors; Child; Child, Preschool; Disease Outbreaks; Female; Human; Immunization; Infant; Male; Seasons; Sweden; Time Factors; Whooping Cough :: complications; Whooping Cough :: epidemiology; Whooping Cough :: prevention & control;
Epidemiological features of pertussis in the United States, 1980-1989.
[My paper] K M Farizo, S L Cochi, E R Zell, E W Brink, S G Wassilak, P A Patriarca
Division of Immunization, Centers for Disease Control, Atlanta, Georgia 30333.
From 1980 through 1989, 27,826 cases of pertussis were reported to the Centers for Disease Control, for an average annual crude incidence of 1.2 cases/100,000 population. The incidence of reported disease increased in all age groups during this period, but the increase was disproportionately large among adolescents and adults. Infants between 1 and 2 months of age were at highest risk for pertussis (average annual incidence, 62.8/100,000). Infants less than 2 months of age had the highest reported rates of pertussis-associated hospitalization (82%), pneumonia (25%), seizures (4%), encephalopathy (1%), and death (1%).
Mesh-terms: Age Factors; Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Vaccine; Disease Outbreaks; Erythromycin :: therapeutic use; Human; Incidence; Seasons; Sex Factors; United States :: epidemiology; Whooping Cough :: complications; Whooping Cough :: drug therapy; Whooping Cough :: epidemiology; Whooping Cough :: prevention & control;
In other words, give this vaccine to your infant and they can die. Don't give this vaccine to your infants and they may get this at a higher rate (2-3 out of 100,000 kids, wow not very likely, huh!!!!) but if they do get it 90% will get it when they're over 1 yr old vs 90% getting it under 1 yr old for vaccinated kids. This alone is reason enough to not vaccinate your child for whopping cough. I should also note that Swedes don't reject vaccines, only whooping cough, so their kids immune systems are still damaged from the other vaccines or they might not even get whooping cough at a 1 in 100,000 clip! ZB, how do you feel about this data? More questions to follow on a daily basis. | | | | zionistneoconsux | | | | DanielDives | | | | Cowboy | | Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Still avoiding vaccines, I see.
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