| Author | Message | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:32 am Post subject: |
| | More unanswered questions from Cowboywitz...whoddathunkit? | |  | | Cowboy | | Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: |
| So are you claiming that the British Navy accurately identified the Sheffield when it attacked the HMS Sheffield????
 | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:35 am Post subject: |
| Answer his questions and put him to shame, Mr. AIPAC.
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The Sheffield eh?
1 - What ship was it mistaken for?
2 - Give us a side by side comparison as above so we can judge if there were any grand differences in sizes such as the Liberty and the Egyptian horse carrier.
3 - How long did the attack last?
4 - How long was it observed before attack by British spotter planes?
5 - How was the weather on that day? (The attack on the Liberty occurred during almost perfectly calm weather)
6 - Did the Brits machine gun the decks, napalm the decks, shoot up lifeboats?
7 - Were the British ships that attacked unmarked? | | | | | Cowboy | | Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: |
| So are you claiming that the British Navy accurately identified the Sheffield when it attacked the HMS Sheffield????
The British attack on the HMS Sheffield is kind of embarassing for people who claim that ship identification should be perfect. | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:45 am Post subject: |
| Answer his questions
| Quote: | The Sheffield eh?
1 - What ship was it mistaken for?
2 - Give us a side by side comparison as above so we can judge if there were any grand differences in sizes such as the Liberty and the Egyptian horse carrier.
3 - How long did the attack last?
4 - How long was it observed before attack by British spotter planes?
5 - How was the weather on that day? (The attack on the Liberty occurred during almost perfectly calm weather)
6 - Did the Brits machine gun the decks, napalm the decks, shoot up lifeboats?
7 - Were the British ships that attacked unmarked? | | | | | Nobody | | Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:50 am Post subject: |
| He won't 'cos he simply can't.  It'll show him up fully for the lying propaganda merchant which he so clearly is as if anybody posting/passing here had any doubts otherwise.......... | | | | Cowboy | | Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:00 am Post subject: |
| Minneapolis (CA-36) was sighted and bombers sent to the attack, but was fortunately recognized before damaged.
Portland (CA-33) was reported as a Japanese carrier disguised as a cruiser (it was a cruiser)
Porter (DD-356) with anti-rust painting in progress was reported as having a rising sun painted on her bow.
Coast Guard 78-foot patrol boat Tiger maintained a patrol off the harbor entrance during the night. In the darkness overly anxious Army units along the shore fired on the cutter.
Flight of B-17 seeking Jap cruisers after battle of Midway reported sinking one in 15 seconds. Submarine Grayling complained of being bombed by B-17s at that exact location.
Submarine Thresher (SS-200), hurrying to port with an injured sailor, is to rendezvous with Litchfield (DD-336) for escort through restricted waters. Litchfield joins the general search for Japanese submarines. Light minelayer Gamble (DM-15) mistakenly fires upon Thresher off Oahu. Thresher dives, but the delay proves fatal to the injured sailor.
May 7, 1942, Battle of the Coral Sea.
After surviving Japanese air attack and causing the Japanese Port Moresby Invasion Force to withdraw, Adm Crace's cruisers are mistaken for that force and are bombed by USAAF B-26s that straddle Australian heavy cruiser HMAS Australia (flagship) and near-miss heavy cruiser Chicago (CA-29) and destroyer Perkins (DD-377).
Destroyer Farragut (DD-348) is damaged by friendly fire while engaged in repelling air attack.
June 4, 1942, Battle of Midway.
All the ships in TF 17 blazed away to defend Yorktown.. On Russell, a 20mm crew keeps firing even though another ship has fouled the range. The skipper throws his helmet at the gunners to make his over-enthusiastic men cease fire.
October 11, 1942, Battle of Cape Esperance, off Guadalcanal.
Farenholt (DD-491) is damaged by Japanese gunfire, possibly also by friendly fire from either Boise (CL-47) or Helena (CL-50).
October 26, 1942, Battle of Santa Cruz Islands
Destroyer Hughes (DD-410) is damaged by friendly fire. Destroyer Porter (DD-356) is accidentally torpedoed by battle-damaged and ditched TBF, and, deemed beyond salvage, is scuttled.
28Dec1941 . Destroyer Peary (DD-226) is damaged when mistakenly bombed and strafed by RAAF Hudsons off Kina, Celebes, N.E.I.
20Aug42 . Small seaplane tender Mackinac (AVP-13) is damaged when mistakenly bombed by SBDs from carrier Wasp (CV-7) off Ndeni Island.
1Nov42 . Destroyer Buchanan (DD-484) is hit by friendly fire.
4Dec43. Destroyer Taylor (DD-468) hit by friendly fire from light cruiser Oakland (CL-95).
When out on a pre-dawn patrol on April 29, 1944, off the island of New Britain in the Solomons, Patrol Boat P-347, runs up onto a reef in Lassul Bay. Patrol Boat P-350 attempts to tow the P-347 off the reef but while doing so both boats were strafed by US Corsairs whose pilots mistook them for enemy gun boats. Soon, another Patrol Boat, P-346 appeared on the scene to assist in the tow but more planes made their appearance and began their strafing run in spite of the crew of the 346 waving the Stars and Stripes. The Patrol Boats opened fire and shot down two of the planes. One bomb made a direct hit on the P-347 just after the crew had abandoned ship. The planes continued strafing the men in the water before heading back to base. On the boats involved in this tragic incident, fourteen men were killed, another fourteen wounded and two pilots lost.
20Dec41 . SBDs from carrier Enterprise accidentally bomb submarine Pompano (SS-181) - twice.
7June42. Submarine Grayling (SS-209) is bombed (but not damaged) by USAAF B-17s in aftermath of the Battle of Midway.
13July42 . Submarine S-16 (SS-121) is accidentally damaged by USAAF plane off coast of Panama.
19Nov43. At Tarawa, mistaking her as an enemy, USS Ringgold fired at Nautilus (SS-168), sending a five inch shell through the conning tower
03Oct44 . Shelton (DE-407) is sunk by Japanese submarine RO-41 off Morotai. During the ensuing antisubmarine operations, unaware of the proximity of friendly submarines, Richard M. Rowell (DE-403), accidentally sinks Seawolf (SS-197), which is transporting U.S. Army personnel to the east coast of Samar, P.I.
6Sept1939. Early in the war, the ground radar operator believing he was coordinating an attack on enemy machines, RAF Spitfires from No.74 Squadron shot down two Hurricanes. There was no IFF equipment (Identification Friend or Foe) at this stage of the war.
During the period 1939 to 1942, twenty Blenheim fighter-bombers were shot down through mis-identification by RAF pilots and anti-aircraft fire (Seven were shot down by Hurricanes). This resulted in the deaths of thirty-two aircrew with seven others injured. Nineteen other aircraft were damaged by being fired upon by mistake.
20July43. USAAF B-25s, unaware of friendly naval vessels in their patrol area, mistakenly sink motor torpedo boat PT-166 and damage PT-164 and PT-168 in Ferguson Passage, Solomons.
10Nov43. Albacore (SS-218) was again bombed by an American aircraft. This time, the submarine suffered considerable damage and plunged to a depth of 450 feet before her dive was checked.
16Dec43. U.S. freighter Blue Jacket, mistaken for a German blockade runner while proceeding toward her destination of Cardiff, Wales, is engaged in a running surface gunnery action by three British frigates. Armed Guard gunfire keeps the "friendly" ships at bay, saving the American merchantman.
28Jan44. Off Anzio, motor torpedo boat PT-201 -- that has LtGen Mark Clark, Commanding General of the U.S. Fifth Army, on board -- is damaged by friendly fire from minesweeper Sway (AM-120).
17Mar44. Motor torpedo boat PT-283 is sunk by friendly fire from destroyer Guest (DD-472), Solomons.
27Mar44. Motor torpedo boats PT-121 and PT-353 are mistakenly sunk by friendly bomber, Bismarck Archipelago.
30Mar44. Submarine Tunny (SS-282), while on lifeguard duty off the Palaus, is attacked accidentally by TBF from carrier Yorktown (CV-10). Damage suffered forces Tunny to terminate her patrol.
26Dec44.
Freighter James H. Breasted is bombed by what is probably a U.S. plane, touching off her cargo of gasoline. Ship is abandoned but the survivors come under friendly fire that causes no casualties.
PT-77 is damaged, probably accidentally bombed by friendly aircraft.
9 Aug44. Charles Lindbergh, ex AAC colonel, flying a full combat tour of 50 missions as a civilian technician, mostly in P-38s, was fired on by ships in harbor. | | | | Nobody | | Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:03 am Post subject: |
| The Sheffield eh?
1 - What ship was it mistaken for?
2 - Give us a side by side comparison as above so we can judge if there were any grand differences in sizes such as the Liberty and the Egyptian horse carrier.
3 - How long did the attack last?
4 - How long was it observed before attack by British spotter planes?
5 - How was the weather on that day? (The attack on the Liberty occurred during almost perfectly calm weather)
6 - Did the Brits machine gun the decks, napalm the decks, shoot up lifeboats?
7 - Were the British ships that attacked unmarked?
You're clearly obfuscation the question. Stay on toic and answer the above or shut up...... | | | | Cowboy | | Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:05 am Post subject: |
| Still saying that the Sheffield was not misidentified when the Brits attacked their own ship?
There is more than just the Sheffield...
Minneapolis (CA-36) was sighted and bombers sent to the attack, but was fortunately recognized before damaged.
Portland (CA-33) was reported as a Japanese carrier disguised as a cruiser (it was a cruiser)
Porter (DD-356) with anti-rust painting in progress was reported as having a rising sun painted on her bow.
Coast Guard 78-foot patrol boat Tiger maintained a patrol off the harbor entrance during the night. In the darkness overly anxious Army units along the shore fired on the cutter.
Flight of B-17 seeking Jap cruisers after battle of Midway reported sinking one in 15 seconds. Submarine Grayling complained of being bombed by B-17s at that exact location.
Submarine Thresher (SS-200), hurrying to port with an injured sailor, is to rendezvous with Litchfield (DD-336) for escort through restricted waters. Litchfield joins the general search for Japanese submarines. Light minelayer Gamble (DM-15) mistakenly fires upon Thresher off Oahu. Thresher dives, but the delay proves fatal to the injured sailor.
May 7, 1942, Battle of the Coral Sea.
After surviving Japanese air attack and causing the Japanese Port Moresby Invasion Force to withdraw, Adm Crace's cruisers are mistaken for that force and are bombed by USAAF B-26s that straddle Australian heavy cruiser HMAS Australia (flagship) and near-miss heavy cruiser Chicago (CA-29) and destroyer Perkins (DD-377).
Destroyer Farragut (DD-348) is damaged by friendly fire while engaged in repelling air attack.
June 4, 1942, Battle of Midway.
All the ships in TF 17 blazed away to defend Yorktown.. On Russell, a 20mm crew keeps firing even though another ship has fouled the range. The skipper throws his helmet at the gunners to make his over-enthusiastic men cease fire.
October 11, 1942, Battle of Cape Esperance, off Guadalcanal.
Farenholt (DD-491) is damaged by Japanese gunfire, possibly also by friendly fire from either Boise (CL-47) or Helena (CL-50).
October 26, 1942, Battle of Santa Cruz Islands
Destroyer Hughes (DD-410) is damaged by friendly fire. Destroyer Porter (DD-356) is accidentally torpedoed by battle-damaged and ditched TBF, and, deemed beyond salvage, is scuttled.
28Dec1941 . Destroyer Peary (DD-226) is damaged when mistakenly bombed and strafed by RAAF Hudsons off Kina, Celebes, N.E.I.
20Aug42 . Small seaplane tender Mackinac (AVP-13) is damaged when mistakenly bombed by SBDs from carrier Wasp (CV-7) off Ndeni Island.
1Nov42 . Destroyer Buchanan (DD-484) is hit by friendly fire.
4Dec43. Destroyer Taylor (DD-468) hit by friendly fire from light cruiser Oakland (CL-95).
When out on a pre-dawn patrol on April 29, 1944, off the island of New Britain in the Solomons, Patrol Boat P-347, runs up onto a reef in Lassul Bay. Patrol Boat P-350 attempts to tow the P-347 off the reef but while doing so both boats were strafed by US Corsairs whose pilots mistook them for enemy gun boats. Soon, another Patrol Boat, P-346 appeared on the scene to assist in the tow but more planes made their appearance and began their strafing run in spite of the crew of the 346 waving the Stars and Stripes. The Patrol Boats opened fire and shot down two of the planes. One bomb made a direct hit on the P-347 just after the crew had abandoned ship. The planes continued strafing the men in the water before heading back to base. On the boats involved in this tragic incident, fourteen men were killed, another fourteen wounded and two pilots lost.
20Dec41 . SBDs from carrier Enterprise accidentally bomb submarine Pompano (SS-181) - twice.
7June42. Submarine Grayling (SS-209) is bombed (but not damaged) by USAAF B-17s in aftermath of the Battle of Midway.
13July42 . Submarine S-16 (SS-121) is accidentally damaged by USAAF plane off coast of Panama.
19Nov43. At Tarawa, mistaking her as an enemy, USS Ringgold fired at Nautilus (SS-168), sending a five inch shell through the conning tower
03Oct44 . Shelton (DE-407) is sunk by Japanese submarine RO-41 off Morotai. During the ensuing antisubmarine operations, unaware of the proximity of friendly submarines, Richard M. Rowell (DE-403), accidentally sinks Seawolf (SS-197), which is transporting U.S. Army personnel to the east coast of Samar, P.I.
6Sept1939. Early in the war, the ground radar operator believing he was coordinating an attack on enemy machines, RAF Spitfires from No.74 Squadron shot down two Hurricanes. There was no IFF equipment (Identification Friend or Foe) at this stage of the war.
During the period 1939 to 1942, twenty Blenheim fighter-bombers were shot down through mis-identification by RAF pilots and anti-aircraft fire (Seven were shot down by Hurricanes). This resulted in the deaths of thirty-two aircrew with seven others injured. Nineteen other aircraft were damaged by being fired upon by mistake.
20July43. USAAF B-25s, unaware of friendly naval vessels in their patrol area, mistakenly sink motor torpedo boat PT-166 and damage PT-164 and PT-168 in Ferguson Passage, Solomons.
10Nov43. Albacore (SS-218) was again bombed by an American aircraft. This time, the submarine suffered considerable damage and plunged to a depth of 450 feet before her dive was checked.
16Dec43. U.S. freighter Blue Jacket, mistaken for a German blockade runner while proceeding toward her destination of Cardiff, Wales, is engaged in a running surface gunnery action by three British frigates. Armed Guard gunfire keeps the "friendly" ships at bay, saving the American merchantman.
28Jan44. Off Anzio, motor torpedo boat PT-201 -- that has LtGen Mark Clark, Commanding General of the U.S. Fifth Army, on board -- is damaged by friendly fire from minesweeper Sway (AM-120).
17Mar44. Motor torpedo boat PT-283 is sunk by friendly fire from destroyer Guest (DD-472), Solomons.
27Mar44. Motor torpedo boats PT-121 and PT-353 are mistakenly sunk by friendly bomber, Bismarck Archipelago.
30Mar44. Submarine Tunny (SS-282), while on lifeguard duty off the Palaus, is attacked accidentally by TBF from carrier Yorktown (CV-10). Damage suffered forces Tunny to terminate her patrol.
26Dec44.
Freighter James H. Breasted is bombed by what is probably a U.S. plane, touching off her cargo of gasoline. Ship is abandoned but the survivors come under friendly fire that causes no casualties.
PT-77 is damaged, probably accidentally bombed by friendly aircraft.
9 Aug44. Charles Lindbergh, ex AAC colonel, flying a full combat tour of 50 missions as a civilian technician, mostly in P-38s, was fired on by ships in harbor. | | | | Nobody | | Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:08 am Post subject: |
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