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Theologian Calls for Response to 9/11 - C-Span 2 Saturday, April 30 - 10:30a

Madison.com
April 20, 2005

Samara Kalk Derby
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Griffin's historic 90-min Madison 9/11 speech to go national on
CSPAN2 this Sat, 10:30 AM - Pass the word, pirate the show
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Theologian calls for response to 9/11

David Ray Griffin asks the tough questions about Sept. 11, contending U.S. officials had some knowledge of what was coming and possibly orchestrated the attacks.

Griffin, whose book, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11," came out a year ago, drew an enthusiastic standing ovation from the majority of the 400 or so people who packed his lecture Monday night at Bascom Hall.

A retired Christian theologian, Griffin, 65, taught for more than 30 years at the Claremont School of Theology in California.

His comments Monday night were directed at religious people, who he said need to respond to Sept. 11 - and the American empire that has ensued - based on the moral principles of their religious traditions.

Drawing laughter from the crowd, Griffin said he had in mind principles like: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors' oil" and "Thou shalt not murder thy neighbors in order to steal their oil."

While Griffin noted that his books and talks have not received attention from the mainstream media, C-SPAN had a cameraman at the event and plans to air the lecture at a future date. Madison's public access cable television station, WYOU-TV/Channel 4, meanwhile, will air the talk at 7 p.m. Thursday.

Americans interpret the events of Sept. 11 in one of four ways, Griffin said:

• A first group accepts the official interpretation that Sept. 11 was a surprise attack by Islamic terrorists. It is easy for these people "to think of America's so-called War on Terror as a just war," Griffin said.

• A second group accepts the official line but thinks Sept. 11 has been used opportunistically by the Bush administration to extend the American empire. People who hold this view often believe that America's response to Sept. 11, which has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, is far worse than the attacks themselves, he said.

• A third group believes the Bush administration knew the attacks were coming and let them happen. It shows the government as "deliberate and cold-blooded," advancing its imperial designs while hypocritically portraying itself as promoting a "culture of life," Griffin said.

Although there has been no national survey, a Zogby poll taken last year indicated that almost half of the residents of New York City share this view, he said.

• A fourth group believes that the government orchestrated the attacks. While no poll shows how many Americans believe this, polls in Canada and Germany have found as many as 20 percent of those populations do, Griffin said.

In his follow-up book, "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions," Griffin examines the questions that he and others in the "9/11 Truth Movement" charge were never examined by the federal government's 9/11 Commission.

Evidence to support the theory that U.S. officials had at least had some foreknowledge of the attacks comes from David Schippers, the chief prosecutor for the impeachment of President Bill Clinton, who reportedly received warnings from FBI agents about the attacks six weeks earlier, Griffin said.

Other government officials, including Attorney General John Ashcroft, would not respond to the warnings, he added.

There was the extraordinarily high volume of "put options" purchased in the three days before the attacks, Griffin said, with investors betting that stock in United and American Airlines - the two airlines used in the attacks - would go down. There were also a suspiciously high number of put options for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, which occupied 22 stories of the World Trade Center.

"U.S. intelligence agencies monitor the market, partly to look for signs of impending attacks," Griffin said. "One wonders how information could be much more specific than this."

Griffin then made a case that government officials planned and executed the attacks.

For one, the United States military neglected to send fighter jets to intercept the hijacked planes. Such interceptions usually occur within 10 to 20 minutes after the first signs of trouble and are routine, happening about 100 times a year, Griffin said.

It seems implausible, he said, that the Pentagon was struck by Flight 77, since it is "surely the best defended building on the planet." The U.S. military has the best radar systems in the world and "does not miss anything occurring in North American airspace," he added.

Griffin also made a case that the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings was brought on by thousands of explosives placed throughout each of the buildings. They went straight down, at free-fall speed, as in controlled demolitions, and many people in the buildings reported that they heard or felt explosions, he added.

"High-rise steel-frame buildings have never - before or after 9/11- been caused to collapse by fire," he said.

Sue Adams, 50, introduced herself to Griffin after the talk, calling him heroic. "I think some day we may really know the truth," she said, adding that it will likely be after the Bush administration is gone.

Orion Litzau, a UW freshman studying engineering, agrees that the answers the government put out through the 9/11 Commission were more than a simple deception.

"They were not only partly false but a complete, bold face lie," he said. "David Ray Griffin brings out interesting points about what could be the true story behind the 9/11 attack."

Jim Goulding, 67, who teaches religious studies at Edgewood College, admitted at first he wondered whether Griffin was a crackpot, but instead found he had a "tremendous reputation as a theologian."

Goulding has read both of Griffin's Sept. 11 books.

"I think he makes a convincing case - well documented, well footnoted," he said.

Anglo Thug · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:21 pm Post subject:

I'd like to address, head on, the key points raised by Griffin...

To the trained eye I have to say that Griffin appears to be very depressed. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if he commits suicide by shooting himself in the head twice. His aunt's, friend's sister has gone on record claiming Griffin was 'devastated' after discovering his cat ran away last month. There are also rumours circulating that Griffin may have been financially involved with Saddam's regime, taking oil vouchers in return for writing material designed to undermine the Bush administration. Stranger still, Griffin once claimed he had been abducted by aliens who performed complex experiments on his mind before returning him to planet earth, apparently unharmed. The only evidence to support his story comes in the form of a scrawled note (in Griffin's own handwriting) that reads, "We know where the cat lives!" Griffin, at the time, insisted he was forced by an alien using mind control to write the note himself. Now he denies all knowledge of the event, perhaps in an effort to limit damage to his credibility, thus protecting his book sales. A source within Griffin's extended family (who wishes to remain anonymous) remembers the incident well and speculated during an interview with a local reporter, "Did the cat really run away or is there be a more sinister explanation for the disappearance? The cat was happy, I can vouch for that. Why would it run away, it makes no sense?" But perhaps most telling is Griffin's insistence on being addressed by his full name, David Ray. What is it about depressive loners with multiple names who spend their lives conjuring fantasies about American presidents? At what point should society protect itself against these types, preemptively if you like, to prevent crazy words turning to sorrowful deeds? This is the million dollar question facing our open and free society today and the debate goes on. But for now, Griffin talks unhindered and no doubt plots and makes his plans. This is the price and the risk of liberty.
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Jefferson Davis · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:36 pm Post subject:

"David Ray Griffin" is the dead give away. Once the middle name is introduced you might as well eat a bullet.

signed,

Lee Harvey Oswald
John Wilkes Booth
John Wayne Gacey, et al.

Alpha

http://www.booktv.org/schedule/index.asp?schedID=343

http://www.booktv.org/misc/la_festival_043005.asp#saturday

Los Angeles Times Reporter courageously admits that US Middle East Policy Motivation for 9/11 Attack (on C-SPAN 2 this coming Saturday):

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/wake-up-america-your-government-is-hijacked-by-zionism/2005/04/26/panel-on-the-front-lines-covering-war.php

There's some info on "his" guy David Griffin.... from a political contact in Maine...from earlier this evening...
best
Mimi

from Maine contact (D.Kubiak):

Griffin's historic 90-min Madison 9/11 speech to go national on CSPAN2
this Sat, 10:30 AM - Pass the word, pirate the show, and love up CSPAN
- Big NY 9/11 Truth events this weekend

Tense Truth-Hungry Tribe,

Nothing spoils the suspense of a joke or alert like leading with your
punch line, but this is truly something to shout about. On April 18th
David Ray Griffin blew the roof off a Madison, WI meeting of the "Muslim,
Jewish & Christian Network for 9/11 Truth" and CSPAN2 was there to cover it!

To give you a sense of the drama of the night, don't just depend on the
reliably progressive Madison Capitol Times, which was positive plus
(http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050420005531881 ), check out
the Bush-endorsing statewide Wisconsin State Journal which was also
obviously awed beyond standard "conspiracy theorist" caricatures and
refutation.( http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2005042017492172 )

Both were apparently wowed by the fact that Griffin not only told this
crowded faith-based audience that the Bush team was nakedly complicit in
9/11, they greeted his charges not with jeers or doubts, but a lengthy
standing ovation.

In other words when this speech goes nationwide on CSPAN2 this weekend
(Saturday, 10:30 AM on their Book TV), you should have everyone in your
network of friends prepared with their VCRs warmed and loaded.

Just when many in the 9/11 world were falling into despair and chronic
shoe-staring, David Ray breaks loose in CSPAN and Hustler (June 1st
release), the Oklahoma City bombing truth squad embraces 9/11 skepticism
(see http://tinyurl.com/cz3mp for the eerie similiarities), and this
year's Oklahoma State Republican (!) Party platform calls for a new 9/11
investigation.

In other words, we're suddenly humming Amazing Grace and realizing that
despite all the brainy bicoastal 9/11 organizing and activity, it may very
well be the old-fashioned patriotoc heartland that finally saves our ass.

In the meantime, please do tape the show and spread it far and wide, and
afterwards contact CSPAN and tell them you love their style. Main number:
202-737-3220 Fax number: 202-737-6226 Viewer services: 765-464-3080

NEW YORK EVENTS - THE EPICENTER STILL SMOLDERS TOO

For any of you who live or have friends in the NY area, please be advised
of the following two powerful events this weekend. The second gig
especially has an incredible speaker list.

9/11 ACTIVIST SOLUTIONS: REVEALING THE EVIDENCE

Judson Memorial Church
239 Thompson St. (near Washington Sq. Park)
Friday April 29th, 2005 - 7 pm

Learn talking points, organizational skills, and effective actions we can
all take to awaken our communities to the many lies in the official 9/11
story and the subsequent cover-up. We must call for truth and an honest
investigation or kiss our democracy goodbye. Join us to discuss how to
make that case so clear and loud it can no longer be ignored.

9/11: THE QUEST FOR TRUTH CONTINUES

West Park Presbyterian Church
86th St. & Amsterdam Ave.
Saturday April 30th
Doors open 6:30 PM, event begins at 7 pm

Understanding what really happened on 9/11 and why requires us to widen
our political awareness. We must see those crimes in a larger geo-
political context to grasp the motives that inspired them and their
expertly exploited effects. Come learn about these crimes' ramifications
and how they are shaping our present and determining our future. The
urgency of this recognition and our need for truth only get stronger as
new evidence of the 9/11 atrocities and the despotic agenda they have
empowered continue to surface.

Speakers will include Phil Berg (RICO lawsuit against Bush
administration); William Rodriguez, decorated 9/11 hero and lead plaintiff
in the RICO suit; Ray McGovern (retired CIA analyst); Bob McIlvaine (9/11
family member), John Buchanan (9/11 Truth Candidate), Nick Levis (anthrax
research, <http://www.911truth.org/>), Craig Hill (Vermont Green
senatorial candidate and 9/11 truth crusader) and Kyle Hence (9/11
CitizensWatch http://www.911citizenswatch.org ).

The evening will begin with a specially pre-recorded video statement from
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney warmly endorsing the event and the cause.

See full details and directions for both events at www.ny911truth.org

<http://www.ny911truth.org>.

Sponsored by NY 911 Truth

Here's "biff rez" comments-----------

----- Original Message -----

From: biff rez
To: Mimi

Sent: 4/28/2005 1:52:50 AM
Subject: RE: DONT MISS THIS SHOW - David Ray Griffin on booktv this SAT - pass it on

go to septembereleventh,org and hear the speech now. No, all 1-3 groups are out. The BUsh Crime Family engineered thi. All blowback idea are wrong. I hgave researched this for almost a year, 4 hrs aday min. What I have learned is so shocking you wouldnt believe it. I suggest instaed of any distraction by McDermott (this is not blowback, but carefully crafted occult) anyway - listen in now. Forget what you hear on the tv - it is all owned by the very corporation who benefit the most from wear, or are illuminati based (Time Warner Disney)
listen to Alex in the morning 9-12 and jack blood 12-2 (both PST)at GCNlive.com

Mimi wrote:

Thanks for the heads up on David Griffin....while y'all watching...please do tune in to Terry McDermott...who addresses related issues.....same station same day !!! dont miss....please share..!!
thanx
mimi

"Los Angeles Times reporter Terry McDermott admits that US policy in the Middle East was the primary motivating factor for why the US was (tragically) attacked on 9/11 in the following panel which airs on
C-SPAN 2 this coming weekend:

Panel: On The Front Lines: Covering War "

http://www.booktv.org/misc/la_festival_043005.asp#saturday

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Sent: 4/28/2005 12:36:43 AM
Subject: DONT MISS THIS SHOW - David Ray Griffin on booktv this SAT - pass it on

http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/149076/index.php

C-Span Explodes 9/11 Truth Blackout! Will Broadcast David Griffin Talk Saturday

by Kevin Barrett
Email: kevin@mujca.com
27 Apr 2005

The word has finally come down: David Griffin's incendiary but well-documented charges of Bush administration complicity in 9/11 have been scheduled for national telecast.! C-span will broadcast Griffin's talk "9/11 and the American Empire: How Should Religious People Respond?" on Book TV (C-Span 2) this Saturday, April 30th, at 10:30 a.m. Eastern time. My C-Span contact said the talk will also be rebroadcast on Book TV on several weekends after that--check the C-Span website for times:

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/schedule.csp
http://www.booktv.org/schedule/

Griffin's electrifying talk was recorded Monday night, April 18th, in Madison, Wisconsin. If you missed this historic moment-- the biggest lecture hall at the University of Wisconsin-Madison campus overflowing with over 450 people who gave Griffin a thunderous standing ovation for charging the Bush-Cheney regime with orchestrating the 9/11 attacks--you'll have to see the video to believe it! And you won't believe the local media coverage either. Scroll down and do a double-take.

All over the country, people will be gathering for C-Span viewing parties--a new phenomenon for a network whose government coverage is usually comprised of more pedestrian fare. Some are already comparing this broadcast to the televised Watergate hearings in 1974, in which John Dean's charges against Richard Nixon ultimately brought down that corrupt, warmongering administration.

Griffin's speech represents a breakthrough not only in national 9/11 truth coverage, but in local coverage as well. Madison's mainstream and alternative media reported the event fairly, accurately, and prominently. As expected, was the alternative outlets, led by WYOU-TV, WORT radio, Indymedia, and the weekly papers Isthmus and the Madison Times, that broke the Griffin story. WYOU-TV has been putting 9/11 truth on the air for over a year on the Sunday night (7-8 p.m.) Garden of Truth slot, and WORT-radio had also raised the 9/11 truth issue on Lea Zeldin's program in spring, 2004.

During the week before David Griffin's April 18th, 2005 talk, WORT hosts Lea Zeldin, Tony Castenada, and Linda Jameson all devoted part of their programs to 9/11 truth. Isthmus journalist Bill Lueders, one of Madison's most respected local columnists, plugged the upcoming Griffin talk in his column, and Jonathan Gramling ran a terrific story in the Madison Times:

http://www.madtimes.com/

Critiques of the 9/11 Commission report

Questions left unanswered

by Jonathan Gramling

The events of September 11, 2001 - the crashing of hijacked planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and the crashing of a fourth plane in a Pennsylvania field - continue to reverberate through and change American society as the U.S. engages in an unending war against terrorism. During the ensuing 3-4 years, the U.S. has engaged in wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, dramatically increased its military spending, and curtailed civil liberties within its borders.

While most Americans - and the 911 Commission Report - blame the events totally on al-Qaeda and feel that the U.S. government was unaware that the attacks would occur, a vocal minority of individuals continue to raise unanswered questions about 911. On April 18, Dr. David Griffin, author of "The New Pearl Harbor" and "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" and one of the leading critics of the 9/11 Commission Report, will speak at 2650 Humanities on the University of Wisconsin-Madison campus.

When asked about the commission report during a telephone interview with The Madison Times, Griffin responded "I have one little problem with the 911 Commission report. It is a 567-page lie."

While one may not agree with Griffin's conclusions that the U.S. government purposely allowed the events of 9/11 to happen and helped facilitate it in order to galvanize the will of U.S. citizens as the Bush administration expanded the American empire and secured American hegemony as the world's only super power, it is evident that Griffin raises some interesting questions.

Take the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, for example. While the official version is that the initial impact coupled with a widespread, intense fire caused the structural steel to weaken and the floors of the towers to eventually pancake down on top of each other, Griffin has some questions. "Here you have an anomaly that never before in history have high-rise steel frame buildings come close to collapsing because of fire," Griffin said. "Yet three of them miraculously did it on that day. Furthermore, there have been fires that have been far more intense that filled the whole building and went on for many, many hours like the recent Madrid fire and they don't collapse. Yet here, we have very small fires that are only in a few floors, particularly Building Seven - you only had fires on the seventh and twelfth floors - they were relatively small fires, yet here comes down this 47 story building at 5:30 in the afternoon, having never been hit by an airplane."

Griffin went on to discuss the steel columns within the core of the towers that structural engineers say bore the weight of the buildings. "The major part of the weight was born by these really massive steel columns," Griffin said. "And they went all of the way up. Well, they would have been sticking up in the air a thousand feet even if all the floors had pancaked. So, what does the 911 Commission do? They just deny the existence of those columns."

Griffin and others have found significant discrepancies between the facts and the theory that Flight 77, a Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon and slid all the way into the interior of the building. "My own view is still that the evidence is just overwhelming that whatever it was that hit the Pentagon, it was not Flight 77 because it couldn't have been if it wasn't a Boeing 757," Griffin said. "There are many lines of evidence supporting that. What does the 911Commission do? It simply ignores all of this. Now what could they have done? They could have subpoenaed the videos that the FBI confiscated from the service station across the freeway from the Pentagon five minutes after the Pentagon was hit. Wasn't that alert. There are several other videos from hotels around the Pentagon. The Dept. of Transportation had video. There are all sorts of videos that could prove the government's case if it's true that it was Flight 77, or at least that it was a Boeing 757. But the 911 Commission doesn't even raise that. So you would think if the story were true, they would have done that. But they didn't."

Finally, when Flight 93 crashed in the Pennsylvania field, Griffin contends it did not crash as passengers and terrorists fought for control of the plane. According to Griffin, it was shot down. "Maybe it was shot down after it appeared the passengers were going to get control of it and maybe bring it in for a safe landing, in which case, everyone would be alive," Griffin said. "First of all, the commission simply ignores all the evidence that I reported in The New Pearl Harbor that suggested the plane had been shot down. Secondly, they changed the timeline. That's just one of many examples of how they radically changed the previous timeline that everyone had lived with for almost three years."

Griffin’s talk begins at 7:30 p.m. on April 18.

MAINSTREAM MEDIA WAKES UP, SMELLS COFFEE

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/forum/index.php?ntid=36427&ntpid=3
Melanie Conklin's column (p. 2 of the Sunday Wisconsin State Journal, a Republican newspaper) helped draw the overflow crowd:

Talking about Sept. 11 On Monday, Madison will be the site of a rare visit from David Ray Griffin, theology professor and author of "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11."

As one might guess from that title, Griffin is controversial. He is being sponsored by a coalition of groups, including the UW Multicultural Student Coalition and MUJCA-NET (a new Muslim-Jewish-Christian Alliance).

"The question of the media coverage (or lack thereof) of the demonstrable mendacity of the official story of 9/11 is the proverbial elephant in the living room," says Kevin Barrett of MUJCA-NET. Griffin's talk is being taped by C-SPAN for play at a later date. Jennifer Moire, C-SPAN spokeswoman, explains its decision to cover the event as a logical follow-up to the "extensive" coverage they gave the Commission and Congressional Sept. 11 hearings: "It just seems appropriate to cover other voices."

Griffin says Madison is only his fourth lecture stop on Sept. 11 because he doesn't like to travel, so he usually sticks to radio interviews he can do in his slippers. But he calls Madison an exception because he likes seeing people of different faiths coming together to talk about Sept. 11. And he's "very happy" C-SPAN is coming.

"It will be the closest thing to mainstream coverage that this kind of interpretation of 9/11 has received," Griffin says.

His talk is Monday at 7:30 p.m. in 272 Bascom Hall.

THE REPUBLICAN WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL, THE BIGGEST DAILY IN THE REGION, SURPRISED READERS WITH THIS EXCELLENT REPORT OF GRIFFIN'S TALK:

http://www.madison.com/archives/read.php?ref=wsj:2005:04:19:412716:LOCAL/WISCONSIN

Speaker Says Bush Knew Of Sept. 11 Plans

The Theologian And Author Believes The President Endorsed The Attacks To Build Up Support For His Military Plans.

Wisconsin State Journal :: LOCAL/WISCONSIN :: B1

Tuesday, April 19, 2005
Doug Erickson Wisconsin State Journal
A noted Christian theologian suggested Monday in Madison that the Bush administration not only had prior knowledge of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, but probably helped orchestrate them.

David Ray Griffin, 65, a retired professor at the Claremont School of Theology in Claremont, Calif., said the government's version of the attacks is so implausible it can't possibly be true.

The numerous inconsistencies and far-fetched explanations from Bush officials "show that the attacks must have been planned and executed by our own political and military leaders," Griffin said.

He thinks Bush endorsed the attacks to gain support for a military buildup and global domination effort that began with the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Griffin is part of a small group of scholars and others questioning the government's story and the conclusions of the bipartisan 9/11 commission that investigated the attacks.

Griffin's speech before about 450 people at Bascom Hall on the UW-Madison campus was considered a major victory by his supporters in that it was taped by C-SPAN for later broadcast on the public service cable channel. No air dates were available Monday.

Event organizer Kevin Barrett, founder of a Muslim-Jewish-Christian alliance called MUJCA-NET, told the crowd C-SPAN should be applauded "for having the guts to put 9/11 truth on national TV."

Barrett said his group paid Griffin's airfare and was hoping to provide an additional $100 to cover expenses. Otherwise, Griffin did not charge for his appearance.

Griffin has written extensively on the origins of evil and the relationship between science and religion. He has authored or edited 24 books, including "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11."

In the Sept. 11 attacks, armed terrorists hijacked four passenger jets. Two crashed into the World Trade Center in New York and a third crashed in a field in Pennsylvania.

According to the government, the fourth jet crashed into the Pentagon in Arlington, Va., although Griffin questions this and suggests the damage may have been caused by a military plane or missile.

Griffin operates from the basic premise that 19 Arab-Muslim hijackers could not have outwitted this country's extensive military defense system without inside help. Among his arguments:

* Fighter jets typically are sent out immediately upon any sign that a plane may have been hijacked. They usually arrive no later than 10 to 20 minutes. Yet in this case, the military failed to stop the attacks, then gave three conflicting versions of why it deviated from standard operating procedure, Griffin said.

* The Pentagon is probably the best-defended structure on the planet. How could a commercial airliner fly undetected and toward the Defense Department for 40 minutes and not be shot down by the Pentagon's anti-aircraft system?

* Bush lingered for more than 15 minutes at an elementary school after learning of the second jet crashing into the World Trade Center. Given that Bush's itinerary had been highly publicized, why wasn't the Secret Service concerned that he might be a target of a surprise terrorist attack?

"This behavior makes sense only if the head of the Secret Service detail knew that the planned attacks did not include an attack on the president. And how did they know this for certain unless the attacks were being carried out by people within our own government?" Griffin said.

* The straight-down, free-fall collapse of the World Trade Center buildings suggests a controlled demolition. A plane crash and fire could not have caused such a collapse, Griffin said.

These examples and others "are sufficient to suggest that there is no escape from the frightful conclusion that 9/11 was engineered by the Bush administration and its Pentagon," he said.

He closed by saying religious people must seek the truth about 9/11, create new means to spread the information and work to thwart Bush's attempts at global domination.

The crowd gave Griffin a standing ovation.

Rob Helfenstein, 41, a floor installer from Waukesha, came away convinced. "Governments have always used fake terror to manipulate their people," he said. "History hasn't changed."

But his friend, Dave Balistreri, 35, a construction consultant from Waukesha, said he entered and left the lecture hall skeptical. Although Balistreri said the Bush administration probably isn't telling the whole truth, "I think the level of complicity is much, much less than (Griffin) is suggesting."

THE LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC MAINSTREAM DAILY THE CAPITAL TIMES, NOT TO BE OUTDONE, PUBLISHED THEIR OWN OUTSTANDING STORY:
Theologian calls for response to 9/11
By Samara Kalk Derby
April 19, 2005
http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/local//index.php?ntid=36617

David Ray Griffin asks the tough questions about Sept. 11, contending U.S. officials had some knowledge of what was coming and possibly orchestrated the attacks.

Griffin, whose book, "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush Administration and 9/11," came out a year ago, drew an enthusiastic standing ovation from the majority of the 400 or so people who packed his lecture Monday night at Bascom Hall.

A retired Christian theologian, Griffin, 65, taught for more than 30 years at the Claremont School of Theology in California.

His comments Monday night were directed at religious people, who he said need to respond to Sept. 11 - and the American empire that has ensued - based on the moral principles of their religious traditions.

Drawing laughter from the crowd, Griffin said he had in mind principles like: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors' oil" and "Thou shalt not murder thy neighbors in order to steal their oil."

While Griffin noted that his books and talks have not received attention from the mainstream media, C-SPAN had a cameraman at the event and plans to air the lecture at a future date. Madison's public access cable television station, WYOU-TV/Channel 4, meanwhile, will air the talk at 7 p.m. Thursday.

Americans interpret the events of Sept. 11 in one of four ways, Griffin said:

• A first group accepts the official interpretation that Sept. 11 was a surprise attack by Islamic terrorists. It is easy for these people "to think of America's so-called War on Terror as a just war," Griffin said.

• A second group accepts the official line but thinks Sept. 11 has beenused opportunistically by the Bush administration to extend the American empire. People who hold this view often believe that America's response to Sept. 11, which has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, is far worse than the attacks themselves, he said.

• A third group believes the Bush administration knew the attacks were coming and let them happen. It shows the government as "deliberate and cold-blooded," advancing its imperial designs while hypocritically portraying itself as promoting a "culture of life," Griffin said.

Although there has been no national survey, a Zogby poll taken last year indicated that almost half of the residents of New York City share this view, he said.

• A fourth group believes that the government orchestrated the attacks. While no poll shows how many Americans believe this, polls in Canada and Germany have found as many as 20 percent of those populations do, Griffin said.

In his follow-up book, "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions," Griffin examines the questions that he and others in the "9/11 Truth Movement" charge were never examined by the federal
government's 9/11 Commission.

Evidence to support the theory that U.S. officials had at least had some foreknowledge of the attacks comes from David Schippers, the chief prosecutor for the impeachment of President Bill Clinton, who reportedly
received warnings from FBI agents about the attacks six weeks earlier, Griffin said.

Other government officials, including Attorney General John Ashcroft, would not respond to the warnings, he added.

There was the extraordinarily high volume of "put options" purchased in the three days before the attacks, Griffin said, with investors betting that stock in United and American Airlines - the two airlines used in the
attacks - would go down. There were also a suspiciously high number of put options for Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, which occupied 22 stories of the World Trade Center.

"U.S. intelligence agencies monitor the market, partly to look for signs of impending attacks," Griffin said. "One wonders how information could be much more specific than this."

Griffin then made a case that government officials planned and executed the attacks.

For one, the United States military neglected to send fighter jets to intercept the hijacked planes. Such interceptions usually occur within 10to 20 minutes after the first signs of trouble and are routine, happening
about 100 times a year, Griffin said.

It seems implausible, he said, that the Pentagon was struck by Flight 77, since it is "surely the best defended building on the planet." The U.S. military has the best radar systems in the world and "does not miss anything occurring in North American airspace," he added.

Griffin also made a case that the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings was brought on by thousands of explosives placed throughout each of the buildings. They went straight down, at free-fall speed, as in controlled demolitions, and many people in the buildings reported that they heard or felt explosions, he added.

"High-rise steel-frame buildings have never - before or after 9/11- been caused to collapse by fire," he said.

Sue Adams, 50, introduced herself to Griffin after the talk, calling him heroic. "I think some day we may really know the truth," she said, adding that it will likely be after the Bush administration is gone.

Orion Litzau, a UW freshman studying engineering, agrees that the answers the government put out through the 9/11 Commission were more than a simple deception.

"They were not only partly false but a complete, bold face lie," he said. "David Ray Griffin brings out interesting points about what could be the true story behind the 9/11 attack."

Jim Goulding, 67, who teaches religious studies at Edgewood College, admitted at first he wondered whether Griffin was a crackpot, but instead found he had a "tremendous reputation as a theologian."

Goulding has read both of Griffin's Sept. 11 books.

"I think he makes a convincing case - well documented, well footnoted," he said.

E-mail: skalk (at) madison.com

See also:
http://mujca.com/news_and_feedback.htm
http://septembereleventh.org/

“The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in any place in its own name, but always covered by another name, and another occupation”
“We must begin by destroying all Religion, all civil society, and finish by the destruction of all [private] property.”

---Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Bavarian Illuminati, 1776

David Ray Griffin's C-SPAN Appearance Available Audio:

http://septembereleventh.org/documents/drg_cspan.mp3 32.6 megs

right click and save to (if not active you may have 2 paste it into Word and hit one space after to make a hyperlink -or type into address browser and wait...like listing it in schedule...booktv@c-span.org) write nicely

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“The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in any place in its own name, but always covered by another name, and another occupation”
“We must begin by destroying all Religion, all civil society, and finish by the destruction of all [private] property.”

---Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Bavarian Illuminati, 1776

David Ray Griffin's C-SPAN Appearance Available Audio:
http://septembereleventh.org/documents/drg_cspan.mp3 32.6 megs
right click and save to (if not active you may have 2 paste it into Word and hit one space after to make a hyperlink -or type into address browser and wait...like listing it in schedule...booktv@c-span.org) write nicely

Alpha · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:49 pm Post subject:

Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 12:26:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Subject: David Ray Griffin on C-SPAN 2 this Saturday about 9/11

Thank you very much for this, Janice...

Here is the schedule for C-SPAN 2 this coming Saturday (which includes the David Ray Griffin event and the Los Angeles Times Festival of Books panels as it will be interesting to see if C-SPAN 2 includes the entire 'Q & A' sessions):

http://www.booktv.org/schedule/index.asp?schedID=343

http://www.booktv.org/misc/la_festival_043005.asp#saturday

The presentation by Pratap Chaterjee on Sunday will be interesting as well in that he has discussed the corporate/private contractor corruption in Iraq...

Los Angeles Times Reporter courageously admits that US Middle East Policy Motivation for 9/11 Attack (on C-SPAN 2 this coming Saturday):

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/wake-up-america-your-government-is-hijacked-by-zionism/2005/04/26/panel-on-the-front-lines-covering-war.php

Janice wrote:

A few names, first of all:

David Kubiak, from Maine, is the Executive Director of our organization, 911truth.org (www.911truth.org)

Kevin Barrett is cofounder of MUJCA-NET, Muslim Jewish Christian Alliance for 9/11 Truth (www.mujca.net), "a group of scholars, religious leaders and activists dedicated to uniting members of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic faiths in pursuit of 9/11 truth. We believe that the process of joining together in search of the truth about 9/11 will bring enormous benefits, regardless of what truths we may discover. While our endorsers and supporters have different views about the probable level of US government complicity in 9/11, all of us agree that a new, honest investigation of the possibility of official complicity is a matter of the most urgent national and global importance."

David Ray Griffin, also a cofounder of MUJCA-NET, is a retired theologian from Claremont, with 22 academic books under his belt before he discovered the 9/11 issue. Since then, he has written "The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Administration and 9/11" and "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions & Distortions," widely considered two of the most definitive books on the subject--well-researched, well-written, thoroughly documented. He rips the government's "Official Story" to shreds, and thoroughly reviews and points out the problems with the Commission Report, which so many consider the 'final word' on 9/11, from conflicts of interests among the Commission members to the questions they refused to even ask.

MUJCA-NET sponsored Dr. Griffin's speech at the University of Wisconsin, which CSpan taped and is airing on CSpan2's Book TV on Saturday, 4/30, at 10:30 a.m. ET. After years of media's refusal to honestly cover this issue, this broadcast is indeed groundbreaking! In addition, several Wisconsin media sources provided excellent coverage, including a normally right-wing newspaper! Thus, the excitement and flurry of emails pounding cyberspace!!

Hustler's conspiracy-blasting publisher, Larry Flynt, has also acknowledged the problems with the "Official Lie" and is featuring an interview with Dr. Griffin in the June release of that magazine. Whatever one thinks of the magazine, we can acknowledge the obscenity of zero accountability for the mass-murder of 3,000 people and the many thousands more rescue workers and local citizens dying from its poisonous environmental effects. Thus, Dr. Griffin's agreement to be interviewed here. I've not found distribution numbers for Hustler, but know it's in the hundreds of thousands.

Little by little, and now suddenly exponentially faster, we are getting the message of 9/11 Truth out to Americans. (The rest of the world has been on board much longer.) We're fast approaching the point where Congress can no longer continue to deny the truth.

Hope this clears up some questions,
Janice

Alpha · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject:

I have not yet seen the 'smoking gun' that the US government was involved with the 9/11 attack directly.. However, I do believe that Israel (via the Mossad and similar) knew about the coming 9/11 attacks (see the following article by Neil MacKay for the Sunday Herald newspaper in Scotland) and did not convey the full extent of what was going to happen in order to get America into a 'war on terror' against Israel's enemies in accordance with the JINSA/CSP/PNAC agenda):

Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ...

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/37707

Israeli Spy Rumors Fly on Gusts of Truth with 9/11

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/16/israeli-spy-rumors-fly-on-gusts-of-truth-with-9-11.php

I would not be surprised in the least if the JINSA/CSP/PNAC Zionist Neocons knew about the coming attack in order to get their long desired war for Israel going with the new 'A Pearl Harbor' event which is mentioned in the PNAC document (see www.newamericancentury.org) as more about PNAC is included at the top of www.informationclearinghouse.info and via the following URL as well:

Bush (via his cabal of Zionist - JINSA/CSP/PNAC - Neocons):

Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/31/bush-planned-iraq-regime-change-before-becoming-president.php

One just has to read James Bamford's 'A Pretext for War' book about the 'A Clean Break'/war for Israel agenda of the JINSA/CSP/PNAC Neocons like Richard Perle, David Wurmser and Douglas Feith:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/wake-up-america-your-government-is-hijacked-by-zionism/2005/02/11/a-clean-break-from-james-bamford-s-a-pretext-for-war.php

Treason at a high level: Pentagon Zionist Neocons, AIPAC and Israel:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/wake-up-america-your-government-is-hijacked-by-zionism/2004/09/08/treason-in-high-places-pentagon-zionists-aipac-and-israel.php

Leading America into the ABYSS:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/wake-up-america-your-government-is-hijacked-by-zionism/2005/04/10/leading-america-into-the-abyss.php

Eric Alterman: Can We Talk (about the Jewish Neocons)

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030421&s=alterman

Alpha · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject:

Path to War

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/pathtowar

Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/wake-up-america-your-government-is-hijacked-by-zionism/2005/04/06/neoconservatism-as-a-jewish-movement.php

Alpha

JINSA Israel firsters: 'IRAQ DOWN, IRAN LEFT TO GO':

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/wake-up-america-your-government-is-hijacked-by-zionism/2005/04/06/jinsa-israel-firsters-iraq-down-iran-left-to-go.php

Alpha · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject:

After reading what is included at http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/149076/index.php , I still think what I had included when I initiated http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/16/israeli-spy-rumors-fly-on-gusts-of-truth-with-9-11.php (via www.warwithoutend.co.uk which is linked in the left margin of http://www.nowarforisrael.com/Rachel%20Corrie.htm ) makes the most sense in that the Israelis knew about the coming 9/11 attack in advance and didn't warn us about such to the extent that they should have (I would not be surprised in the least if the Zionist -JINSA/CSP/PNAC- Neocons knew about the attack in advance from Israel as well):

http://www.nowarforisrael.com/Rachel%20Corrie.htm

However, one should keep in mind that the Jewish supremacist Dov Zackheim supposedly was involved with a company that makes devices or similar which can fly airplanes via remote control and that he was a PNAC signer as well.. It is incredible how so much is made of UN corruption by the Jewish supremacists, but they never even touch the massive corruption and money lost at the Pentagon under Dov Zackheim:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=83757

He quietly resigned, and hardly any mention by the Zionist controlled/influenced US press/media. Then Wolfowitz gets appointed to the World Bank... Look at this article:

http://voiceradio.villagevoice.com/news/0511%2Cvest%2C62250%2C6.html

Alpha · Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject: Israeli Connection to 9/11

Not that I agree with David Duke on every single issue he addresses, but he has Christopher Bollyn on the air (either today or tomorrow - Friday) to discuss the Israeli connection to 9/11 as Bollyn was on Duke's program this past Sunday and Monday as both programs are archived and can be listened to via the links at www.davidduke.com

Some of Christopher Bollyn's latest articles can be read via the link for him in the right margin of the following URL:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/

Here is his latest article on the Israeli association to 9/11:

Israeli Connection to 9/11

Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:51:41 +0500 From: "Eric Walberg"
<eric@albatros.uz>

MOSSAD: The Israeli Connection to 9/11
http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a1535.htm
April 8, 2005,
by Christopher Bollyn, American Free Press

U.S. investigators and the controlled media have ignored a
preponderance of
evidence pointing to Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, being
involved in
the terror attacks of 9/11.

>From the very morning aircraft smashed into the World Trade Center
(WTC) and the
Pentagon, news reports have indicated Israeli intelligence being
involved in the
events of 9/11 - and the planting of "false flags" to blame Arab
terrorists and
mold public opinion to support the pre-planned "war on terror."

Shortly after the destruction of the twin towers, radio news reports
described
five "Middle Eastern men" being arrested in New Jersey after having
been seen
videotaping and celebrating the explosive "collapses" of the WTC.

These men, from a phony moving company in Weehawken, N.J., turned out
to be
agents of Israeli military intelligence, Mossad. Furthermore, their
"moving van"
tested positive for explosives.

Dominic Suter, the Israeli owner of Urban Moving Systems, the phony
"moving
company," fled in haste, or was allowed to escape, to Israel before FBI
agents
could interrogate him. The Israeli agents were later returned to Israel
on minor
visa violations.

The Assistant Attorney General in charge of criminal investigations at
the time
was Michael Chertoff, the current head of the Dept. of Homeland
Security.
Chertoff, the son of the first hostess of Israel's national air
carrier, El Al,
is thought to be an Israeli national.

One of the Israeli agents later told Israeli radio that they had been
sent to
"document the event" - the event which took the lives of some 3,000
Americans.

Despite the fact that the Israelis arrested in New Jersey evidently had
prior
knowledge or were involved in the planning of 9/11, the U.S. mainstream
media
has never even broached the question of Israeli complicity in the
attacks.

ISRAELIS FOREWARNED

On September 12, 2001, the Internet edition of The Jerusalem Post
reported, "The
Israeli foreign ministry has collected the names of 4,000 Israelis
believed to
have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at
the time of
the attack."

Yet only one Israeli was killed at the WTC and two were reportedly
killed on the
"hijacked" aircraft.

Although a total of three Israeli lives were reportedly lost on 9/11,
speechwriters for President George W. Bush grossly inflated the number
of
Israeli dead to 130 in the president's address to a joint session of
Congress on
September 20, 2001.

The fact that only one Israeli died at the WTC, while 4,000 Israelis
were
thought to have been at the scene of the attacks on 9/11 naturally led
to a
widespread rumor, blamed on Arabic sources, that Israelis had been
forewarned to
stay away that day.

"Whether this story was the origin of the rumor," Bret Stephens, the
Post's
editor-in-chief wrote in 2003, "I cannot say. What I can say is that
there was
no mistake in our reporting."

ODIGO INSTANT MESSAGES

Evidence that Israelis had been forewarned several hours before the
attacks
surfaced at an Israeli instant messaging service, known as Odigo. This
story,
clear evidence of Israeli prior knowledge, was reported only briefly in
the U.S.
media - and quickly forgotten.

At least two Israel-based employees of Odigo received warnings of an
imminent
attack in New York City more than two hours before the first plane hit
the WTC.
Odigo had its U.S. headquarters two blocks from the WTC. The Odigo
employees,
however, did not pass the warning on to the authorities in New York
City, a move
that could have saved thousands of lives.

Odigo has a feature called People Finder that allows users to seek out
and
contact others based on certain demographics, such as Israeli
nationality.

Two weeks after 9/11, Alex Diamandis, Odigo's vice president,
reportedly said,
"It was possible that the attack warning was broadcast to other Odigo
members,
but the company has not received reports of other recipients of the
message."

The Internet address of the sender was given to the FBI, and two months
later it
was reported that the FBI was still investigating the matter. There
have been no
media reports since.

Odigo, like many Israeli software companies, is based and has its
Research and
Development (R&D) center in Herzliya, Israel, the small town north of
Tel Aviv,
which happens to be where Mossad's headquarters are located.

Shortly after 9/11, Odigo was taken over by Comverse Technology,
another Israeli
company. Within a year, five executives from Comverse were reported to
have
profited by more than $267 million from "insider trading."

Through Israeli "venture capital" (VC) investment funds, Mossad spawns
and
sponsors scores of software companies currently doing business in the
United
States. These Israel-based companies are sponsored by Mossad funding
sources
such as Cedar Fund, Stage One Ventures, Veritas Venture Partners, and
others.

As one might expect, the portfolios of these Mossad-linked funding
companies
contain only Israeli-based companies, such as Odigo.

Reading through the strikingly similar websites of these Israeli "VC"
funds and
their portfolio companies, one can't help but notice that the key
"team" players
share a common profile and are often former members of "Israel's
Intelligence
Corps" and veterans of the R&D Department of the Israel Air Force or
another
branch of the military. Most are graduates of Israel's "Technion"
school in
Haifa, Mossad's Interdisciplinary Center (IDC) in Herzliya, or a
military
program for software development.

The IDC, a private, non-profit university, is closely tied to the
Mossad. The
IDC has a "research institute" headed by Shabtai Shavit, former head of
the
Mossad from 1989 to 1996, called the International Policy Institute for
Counter-Terrorism.

The IDC also has a "Marc Rich Center for the Study of Commodities,
Trading and
Financial Markets" and a "Lauder School of Government, Diplomacy and
Strategy."
The cosmetics magnate Ronald S. Lauder, who is a supporter of Israel's
Prime
Minister Ariel Sharon and his far-right Likud Party, founded the Lauder
school.

Lauder, president of the Jewish National Fund and former chairman of
New York
Governor George Pataki's Commission on Privatization, is the key
individual who
pushed the privatization of the WTC and former Stewart AFB, where the
flight
paths of the two planes that hit the twin towers oddly converged.
Ronald Lauder
played a significant, albeit unreported, role in the preparation for
9/11.

Pataki's wife, Libby, has been on Lauder's payroll since at least 2002
and
reportedly earned $100,000 as a consultant in 2004. According to The
Village
Voice, between 1994 and 1998, Gov. Pataki earned some $70,000 for
speaking to
groups affiliated with Lauder.

THE PTECH CUTOUT

Ptech, a mysterious software company has been tied with the events of
9/11. The
Quincy, Massachusetts-based company was supposedly connected to "the
Muslim
Brotherhood" and Arab financiers of terrorism.

The firm's suspected links with terrorism resulted in a consensual
examination
by the FBI in December 2002, which was immediately leaked to the media.
The
media reports of the FBI "raid" on Ptech soon led to the demise of the
company.

Ptech "produced software that derived from PROMIS, had an artificial
intelligence core, and was installed on virtually every computer system
of the
U.S. government and its military agencies on September 11, 2001,"
according to
Michael Ruppert's From the Wilderness (FTW) website.

"This included the White House, Treasury Dept. (Secret Service), Air
Force, FAA,
CIA, FBI, both houses of Congress, Navy, Dept. of Energy, IRS, Booz
Allen
Hamilton, IBM, Enron and more," FTW reported.

"Whoever plotted 9/11 definitely viewed the FAA as the enemy that
morning.
Overriding FAA systems would be the most effective way to ensure the
attacks
were successful," FTW reported. "To do this, the FAA needed an
evolution of
PROMIS software installed on their systems and Ptech was just that; the
White
House and Secret Service had the same software on their systems -
likely a
superior modified version capable of 'surveillance and intervention'
systems."

But did the U.S. government unwittingly load software capable of
"surveillance
and intervention" operations and produced by a company linked to
terrorism onto
its most sensitive computer networks, or was Ptech simply a Mossad
"cutout"
company?

Oussama Ziade, a Lebanese Muslim immigrant who came to the U.S. in
1985, founded
Ptech in 1994. But the company's original manager of marketing and
information
systems was Michael S. Goff, whose PR firm, Goff Communications,
currently
represents Guardium, a Mossad-linked software company.

And Goff comes from a well-to-do line of Jewish Masons who have
belonged to
Worcester's Commonwealth Lodge 600 of B'nai Brith for decades. So, why
would a
recently graduated Juris Doctor in Law leave a promising law career to
join
forces with a Lebanese Muslim's upstart company sponsored with dodgy
funders in
Saudi Arabia?

"As information systems manager [for Ptech], Michael handled design,
deployment
and management of its Windows and Macintosh, data, and voice networks,"
Goff's
website says. "Michael also performed employee training and handled all
procurement for software, systems and peripherals."

AFP asked Goff, who left the Worcester law firm of Seder & Chandler in
1994, how
he wound up working at Ptech. "Through a temp agency," Goff said. Asked
for the
name of the agency, Goff said he could not remember.

Could it be Mossad Temps, or maybe Sayan Placement Agency?

Goff, the original marketing manager for Ptech software, said he did
not know
who had written the code that Ptech sold to many government agencies.
Is this
believable?

Goff leaves a legal practice in his home town to take a job, through a
temp
agency, with a Lebanese Muslim immigrant who is selling software, and
he doesn't
know who even wrote the code?

AFP contacted the government agencies that reportedly have Ptech
software on
their computers, and IBM, to ask if they could identify who had written
the
source code of the Ptech software.

By press time, only Lt. Commander Ron Steiner of the U.S. Navy's Naval
Network
Warfare Command had responded. Steiner said he had checked with an
analyst and
been told that none of the Ptech software has been approved for the
Navy's
enterprise networks.

Comment: Mr. Bollyn, author of this

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