Sunday Herald/ABC 'Nightline' on PNAC
|Author ||Message |
|Alpha || |
|Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 1:42 am Post subject: Sunday Herald/ABC 'Nightline' on PNAC |
|Sunday Herald/ABC 'Nightline' on PNAC |
The following is the URL for an excellent article about PNAC by Neil Mackay for the Sunday Herald in Scotland:
Bush planned Iraq 'regime change' before becoming President
By Neil Mackay
A SECRET blueprint for US global domination reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure 'regime change' even before he took power in January 2001.
The blueprint, uncovered by the Sunday Herald, for the creation of a 'global Pax Americana' was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice- president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), George W Bush's younger brother Jeb and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defences: Strategies, Forces And Resources For A New Century, was written in September 2000 by the neo-conservative think-tank Project for the New American Century (PNAC).
The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says: 'The United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein.'
The PNAC document supports a 'blueprint for maintaining global US pre-eminence, precluding the rise of a great power rival, and shaping the international security order in line with American principles and interests'.
This 'American grand strategy' must be advanced for 'as far into the future as possible', the report says. It also calls for the US to 'fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars' as a 'core mission'.
The report describes American armed forces abroad as 'the cavalry on the new American frontier'. The PNAC blueprint supports an earlier document written by Wolfowitz and Libby that said the US must 'discourage advanced industrial nations from challenging our leadership or even aspiring to a larger regional or global role'.
The PNAC report also:
l refers to key allies such as the UK as 'the most effective and efficient means of exercising American global leadership';
l describes peace-keeping missions as 'demanding American political leadership rather than that of the United Nations';
l reveals worries in the administration that Europe could rival the USA;
l says 'even should Saddam pass from the scene' bases in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait will remain permanently -- despite domestic opposition in the Gulf regimes to the stationing of US troops -- as 'Iran may well prove as large a threat to US interests as Iraq has';
l spotlights China for 'regime change' saying 'it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia'. This, it says, may lead to 'American and allied power providing the spur to the process of democratisation in China';
l calls for the creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US;
l hints that, despite threatening war against Iraq for developing weapons of mass destruction, the US may consider developing biological weapons -- which the nation has banned -- in decades to come. It says: 'New methods of attack -- electronic, 'non-lethal', biological -- will be more widely available ... combat likely will take place in new dimensions, in space, cyberspace, and perhaps the world of microbes ... advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool';
l and pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a 'world-wide command-and-control system'.
Tam Dalyell, the Labour MP, father of the House of Commons and one of the leading rebel voices against war with Iraq, said: 'This is garbage from right-wing think-tanks stuffed with chicken-hawks -- men who have never seen the horror of war but are in love with the idea of war. Men like Cheney, who were draft-dodgers in the Vietnam war.
'This is a blueprint for US world domination -- a new world order of their making. These are the thought processes of fantasist Americans who want to control the world. I am appalled that a British Labour Prime Minister should have got into bed with a crew which has this moral standing.'
Web report: Iraq
15 September 2002
The following are transcripts for an ABC News 'Nightline' broadcast on PNAC:
STORY2: THE PLAN
ANCH: TED KOPPEL
ANCLOC: WASHINGTON, DC USA
Prepared by The Transcription Company, www.transcripts.net, (818) 848-6500
Which takes sole responsibility for accuracy of transcription
GRAPHICS: MARCH FIVE 2003
23:35:02 WILLIAM KRISTOL,
PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY
If America doesn't lead, no one else will.
23:35:04 TED KOPPEL, ABC NEWS
(OC) It has been called a secret blueprint for US global domination.
23:35:10 WILLIAM KRISTOL
America was being too timid and too weak and too unassertive in the post-
Cold War era.
23:35:15 TED KOPPEL
(VO) A small group of people with a plan to remove Saddam Hussein, long
before George W. Bush was elected president.
23:35:24 PROFESSOR IAN LUSTICK,
UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA
This group set an agenda and have made the President feel that he has to
live up to their definitions of manliness and fear their definitions of
23:35:35 TED KOPPEL
(VO) And 9/11 provided the opportunity to set it in motion.
23:35:39 WILLIAM KRISTOL
One of the lessons of 9/11 is that you can't sit back and wait to be hit.
GRAPHICS: THE PLAN
23:35:42 TED KOPPEL
(VO) Tonight, "The Plan", how one group and its blueprint have brought us
to the brink of war.
GRAPHICS: ABC NEWS: NIGHTLINE
From ABC News, this is "Nightline." Reporting from Washington, Ted Koppel.
23:36:07 TED KOPPEL
(OC) You can watch our story tonight on at least two levels. One, the
conspiracy theory, as in this excerpt from a Scottish newspaper, the
Glasgow "Sunday Herald". "A secret blueprint for US global domination
reveals that President Bush and his cabinet were planning a premeditated
attack on Iraq to secure regime change even before he took power in January
2001." And a similar, if slightly more hysterical version from a Russian
paper, the "Moscow Times". "Not since Mein Kampf has a geopolitical punch
been so blatantly telegraphed, years ahead of the blow."
(OC) Take away the somewhat hyperbolic references to conspiracy,
however, and you're left with a story that has the additional advantage of
being true. Back in 1997, a group of Washington heavyweights, almost all
of them neo-conservatives, formed an organization called the Project for
the New American Century. They did what former government officials and
politicians frequently do when they're out of power, they began formulating
a strategy, in this case, a foreign policy strategy, that might bring
influence to bear on the Administration then in power, headed by President
Clinton. Or failing that, on a new Administration that might someday come
to power. They were pushing for the elimination of Saddam Hussein. And
proposing the establishment of a strong US military presence in the Persian
Gulf, linked to a willingness to use force to protect vital American
interests in the Gulf. All of that might be of purely academic interest
were it not for the fact that among the men behind that campaign were such
names as, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz. What was, back
in 1997, merely a theory, is now, in 2003, US policy. Hardly a conspiracy,
the proposal was out there for anyone to see. But certainly an interesting
case study of how columnists, commentators, and think-tank intellectuals
can, with time and the election of a sympathetic president, change the
course of American foreign policy. Here's more from Jackie Judd.
23:38:22 JACKIE JUDD, ABC NEWS
(VO) Inside this building, behind this door, is the brain trust that some
suspect has led the US to the brink of war.
23:38:30 GARY SCHMITT,
PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY
I think we've had a lot of influence because I think we've set the terms of
kind of a way to think about the world that, in fact, has been picked up in
some measure by this Administration.
23:38:40 JACKIE JUDD
(VO) The Project for the New American Century is a loose collection of
mostly Republicans who came together out of frustration in 1997.
23:38:50 WILLIAM KRISTOL
I think the principles are those of Ronald Reagan. A strong America. A
morally-grounded foreign policy. As well as a foreign policy that defended
American security and American interests. And understanding that American
leadership was key to, not only world stability, but any hope for spreading
democracy and freedom around the world.
23:39:08 JACKIE JUDD
(VO) With a Democrat in the White House, these were people in the political
wilderness. Then. . .
23:39:14 GARY SCHMITT
Included Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Robert Zellic, John
Bolton. We had a very good list of very senior and very solid, obviously,
23:39:28 JACKIE JUDD
(VO) Now, Cheney is Vice President. Rumsfeld, Defense Secretary.
Wolfowitz, his deputy. Of the 40 people who signed the Project's letters,
sent to then-president Clinton in 1998, ten are now in the Bush
Administration. Others, including Pentagon adviser Richard Perle, have
become leading advocates of war. That letter argued the case for a
comprehensive political and military strategy for bringing down Saddam and
23:39:56 WILLIAM KRISTOL
We didn't finish the job in 1991 against Saddam. So, our sense was that
lots of lives were being lost, lots of instability was being loosed upon
the world. Lots of terrible things were really being loosed upon the world
because America was being too timid and too weak and too unassertive in the
post-Cold War era.
23:40:14 JACKIE JUDD
(VO) The letter to Mr. Clinton, was in essence, a preview of arguments that
would have a more receptive audience five years later. The Clinton White
House did bomb Baghdad in 1998, after America's containment policy of
Saddam laid dormant, until a Tuesday morning in September. A 76-page white
paper, circulating for a year and arguing for an aggressive US foreign
policy, suddenly gained new relevance.
(OC) In the blueprint, it says, the process of transformation is
likely to be a long one. Absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event,
like a new Pearl Harbor. Was 9/11, your Pearl Harbor?
23:41:03 GARY SCHMITT
I think it was the country's Pearl Harbor. I think it was the President's
23:41:08 JACKIE JUDD
(VO) The Project, agitating outside and now inside the Administration,
seized an opportunity after 9/11, which made war inevitable, argues
Professor Ian Lustick of the University of Pennsylvania.
23:41:21 PROFESSOR IAN LUSTICK
Before 9/11, this group was in the position it is in but could not win over
the President to this extravagant image of what foreign policy required.
After 9/11, it was able to benefit from the gigantic eruption of political
capital, combined with the supply of military preponderance in the hands of
the President. And this small group, therefore, was able to gain direct
contact and even control, now, of the White House.
23:41:53 JACKIE JUDD
(VO) According to the book "Bush At War," by Bob Woodward, it was only 30
hours after the 9/11 attacks, that Rumsfeld asked the President, why
shouldn't the US go against Iraq, not just al-Qaeda? At the Pentagon on
September 13th, Wolfowitz, for the first time, alluded to that broader
23:42:13 PAUL WOLFOWITZ, DEPUTY SECRETARY OF DEFENSE
It will be a campaign, not a single action. And we're gonna keep after
these people and the people who support them until this stops. It has to
be treated that way.
23:42:24 JACKIE JUDD
(OC) What was the Project's influence in shaping that thinking?
23:42:29 WILLIAM KRISTOL
Well, we had been making these arguments for a few years and we continued
to make them.
23:42:32 JACKIE JUDD
23:42:33 WILLIAM KRISTOL
Magazine articles, faxed memoranda, longer reports.
23:42:38 JACKIE JUDD
(OC) To whom?
23:42:39 WILLIAM KRISTOL
To the whole world. We made it very public that we thought that one
consequence the President should draw from 9/11 is that it was unacceptable
to sit back and let, either terrorist groups or dictators developing
weapons of mass destruction, strike, first at us.
23:42:56 JACKIE JUDD
(VO) Out of all this, a conspiracy theory blossomed, especially in Europe.
From Scotland to Russia to England. Writers who oppose a war have written
about a cabal of neo-conservatives pulling the strings of the President. A
cabal with visions of an imperialist America dominating the world. Even
Ian Lustick thinks the Project has acted in a conspiratorial way.
23:43:21 PROFESSOR IAN LUSTICK
This group, what I call the tom-tom beaters, have set an agenda and have
made the President feel that he has to live up to their definitions of
manliness, their definitions of success and fear, their definitions of
23:43:38 JACKIE JUDD
(OC) You know that the critics have called you and your group,
conspirators, the Dominators with a capital "D," fanatics. Any, or all of
23:43:49 GARY SCHMITT
None. None. It's, very simply.
23:43:52 JACKIE JUDD
(OC) Why have you've been labeled all of that?
23:43:54 GARY SCHMITT
Well, I think there's a lot of folks that are unhappy with the, with the
change in the Administration's policy and the American policy at large.
And in the absence of actually addressing the concerns directly, they'd
rather think that it's some sort of conspiracy.
23:44:08 JACKIE JUDD
(VO) Some critics compare the Project to the group of men who helped lead
America into Vietnam and came to be known as "the best and the brightest."
Kristol dismisses the comparison. Still, he says, as America seems poised
to go to war, there is a degree of accountability he will feel when the
first bomb drops.
23:44:27 WILLIAM KRISTOL
Of course I'll feel some sense of responsibility. The only point I would
also make, though, is one also has to take responsibility, would also have
to take responsibility if one advocated doing nothing and then if something
terrible happens. And, and I worry. I worry, not because I'm going to
look bad, I worry because people could die and will die in this war.
23:44:47 JACKIE JUDD
(OC) And after a war, the Project has a vision beyond a regime change in
Iraq. A vision in which the United States government inserts itself in
other failed regimes in the Middle East. So this truly does become a new
American century. This is Jackie Judd for "Nightline," in Washington.
23:45:07 TED KOPPEL
(OC) So, we know how the founders of PNAC took us from where we were to
where we are. But where do they plan to take us next? I'll talk with one
of the founders of that group when we come back.
This is ABC News "Nightline", brought to you by . . .
23:47:44 TED KOPPEL
(OC) Joining me now, William Kristol, the chairman of the Project for the
New American Century. Mr. Kristol is also an editor of the "Weekly
Standard Magazine." And the former Chief of Staff to Vice President Dan
Quayle. Bill, if you'll forgive me, I'm a little less interested with
where you've brought us and more interested in where you theorize that we
are going to go. What is it that you're recommending for the future?
23:48:09 WILLIAM KRISTOL
Well, I trust we'll be able to remove Saddam and his threat of weapons of
mass destruction. We need to deal with other dictators developing weapons
of mass destruction. North Korea is a real threat. I don't think we can
allow that to become a nuclear assembly line. And in the Middle East, I
really think we need to reverse over probably 20 years of bipartisan US
foreign policy, which has made a Faustian bargain with dictators there, and
really try to move towards the democratization, liberalization of the Arab
societies of the Middle East. I think the status quo there has just proved
to be too dangerous.
23:48:39 TED KOPPEL
(OC) When you talk about the democratization of the Middle East, though,
first of all, I think you're wise enough to put it in terms of at least 20
years. But what does that entail in terms of the continuing presence of US
forces in the region?
23:48:52 WILLIAM KRISTOL
Well, look, I think when we go into Iraq and after we remove Saddam, we'll
have to stay there for a while. We'll have to remove the weapons of mass
destruction. But I think we owe it to the people of Iraq to help them
reconstitute their society and to help them establish a decent and, I
really hope, democratic government there. That would be a great, it would
be great to help the people of Iraq liberate themselves, for one thing,
they've suffered under such a cruel and brutal dictator. And it would be a
great thing for the Middle East to have a functioning democratic country
right in the middle of that region.
23:49:19 TED KOPPEL
(OC) All those things are undeniably true. But what does that mean in the
terms of the continuing presence of US forces? I mean, the President
famously noted in his State of the Union Address, a little more than a year
ago, that there was an "axis of evil," and he mentioned not only North
Korea, but also Iran. Should we assume that part of the, larger vision
that you and your colleagues had, or have to this day, is the, removal,
either by force or otherwise, of the current power structure in Iran?
23:49:49 WILLIAM KRISTOL
I think that would be great. I hope we can do it otherwise. And I think
we can do it otherwise than by force. I think getting, rid of Saddam would
help there. But, no, we will have to leave American troops in that region,
I think in Iraq for quite a while. As we've had to leave them in Bosnia
and Kosovo. As we had to leave them after World War II in Germany and
Japan. It's a good investment. I think it helps keep stability in the
area. And it helps strengthen the forces of freedom in the area. So, we
shouldn't kid ourselves, though, this is an ambitious American foreign
policy that the President has launched us on, requiring engagement and
involvement in many parts of the world.
23:50:22 TED KOPPEL
(OC) Does it, bother you that it appears that it is going to be a largely
unilateral policy? I don't want to diminish the influence of our British
friends, but this is clearly an American policy.
23:50:32 WILLIAM KRISTOL
It is. One would always prefer to have more allies rather than fewer. And
I think we actually will have lots of help in the reconstruction and
democratization, actually, of Iraq. But, look, I think what we've learned
over the last ten years is that America has to lead. Other countries won't
act. They will follow us, but they won't do it on their own. And in this
case, I think we'll be vindicated when we discover the weapons of mass
destruction and when we liberate the people of Iraq.
23:50:57 TED KOPPEL
(OC) What we've also learned over the past 10 or 12 years is that some of
our punitive allies in the region turn out to be not quite as friendly as
we thought, like the Saudis, for example. And part of the problem has been
that we've had a rather significant US military presence in Saudi Arabia.
What makes you and your colleagues believe that a greater military presence
throughout the region won't engender even more animosity toward the United
States and more terrorism?
23:51:24 WILLIAM KRISTOL
Well, I think a military presence in a free and democratic Iraq that is
helping the people of Iraq is a lot, is very much preferable to the
military presence in Saudi Arabia, actually. And look, I agree that one of
the things the Bush Administration has not yet done is rethink policy
towards Saudi Arabia, which I think is a necessity. I mean, our policy,
we've had a bipartisan, 60 years of accommodation to the Saudi Royal
Family. And I think we've paid a big price for that. And I think we need
to really rethink our Saudi policy. That's something, that's a bridge the
Administration hasn't crossed yet. I think whoever the next president is,
whether it's President Bush or someone else, our policy towards Saudi
Arabia will have to change.
23:52:02 TED KOPPEL
(OC) Do you think that we will have an adequate discussion of all that you
are talking about here, which really has not been publicly discussed by the
Administration, in the months ahead?
23:52:12 WILLIAM KRISTOL
Well, I think the President's been pretty bold, actually, in laying out his
doctrine. But, you, sure, I think we will have an adequate discussion, if
only because the critics will insist on it, and should insist on it. This
is a bold and ambitious American foreign policy. I think it's right for us
and right for the world. I think the alternative, if we fail to do this,
is really terrifying and terrible for the world. But I think this needs to
be argued and debated. And I think it will be over the next year or two.
23:52:35 TED KOPPEL
(OC) Bill Kristol, many thanks.
(OC) When we come back, the Fox Two/Five Marines find out exactly
what's expected of them.
STORY: FOX TWO / FIVE
STORY2: MARINES CONTINUE HEAVY TRAINING REGIMEN
CORR: MIKE CERRE
ANCH: TED KOPPEL
ANCLOC: WASHINGTON, DC USA
Prepared by The Transcription Company, www.transcripts.net, (818) 848-6500
Which takes sole responsibility for accuracy of transcription
23:55:30 TED KOPPEL, ABC NEWS
(OC) Correspondent Mike Cerre has been with the Second Battalion, Fifth
Marines, known as Fox Two/Five, for several weeks now, living with the unit
as it gets ready for war with Iraq. This week, the Fox Two/Five Marines
finally learned exactly what they've been training for.
GRAPHICS: FOX TWO/FIVE
23:55:50 MIKE CERRE, ABC NEWS
(VO) For Marine infantry units like Fox Two/Five, which are being combined
with mechanized units for extra mobility in the desert, any ride is a good
one. But the shorter the ride, the better, for the infantry grunts packed
inside these armored assault vehicles. The first few minutes are like a
good carnival ride. But the novelty quickly wears off after several hours
rehearsing their initial attack plan, which is expected to last as long as
18 hours during an invasion. While I found it to be a brutal assault on
all the physical senses, many of the Marines were able to catch up on their
reading and sleeping. With their assignment to this tank battalion comes a
major improvement in their living conditions and their first hot meal since
leaving the US, personally served up by their new tank battalion commander.
(VO) With the creature comforts of being part of a tank battalion,
also comes a more active part in the invasion plans, which they're shown in
detail for the first time, complete with maps and sand models of their
23:57:16 MAJOR PAT NUGENT, OPERATIONS OFFICER
No plan survives first contact. So, the ability to be able to react and
make those adjustments on the fly is what's critical. And that's what
we're doing here, is building the flexibility in the plan to be able to
23:57:32 MIKE CERRE
(OC) For obvious reasons I was not included in the operational briefing.
But every private, lance corporal, and corporal of the company was, in the
Colonel's effort to make sure that every man knows exactly what he might
have to do when the time comes.
23:57:47 LANCE CORPORAL JUSTIN OXENRIDER,
MARINE COMPANY FOX TWO-FIVE
It's pretty important, especially once the crap hits the fan. I mean, you
start losing your higher-ups, we gotta be the ones who step up. And if you
don't know what the plan is, you're just gonna be a sitting turd right
23:57:57 PRIVATE FIRST CLASS JACOB PERRY, FOX TWO-FIVE
Today I think, finally is gonna be a relief to me, knowing actually what
we're going to be doing. And what kind of operations we're gonna be
23:58:08 MIKE CERRE
(VO) A reconnaissance patrol up to the border area, where they are likely
to be crossing, was organized to give the platoon commanders a better idea
of where they will be going, presumably at night. Does it make the plan
that much clearer to you now, after seeing the terrain?
23:58:22 2ND LIEUTENANT DENNIS DOYLE, PLATOON COMMANDER
The plan is pretty set. And the terrain is solidified in my mind.
23:58:31 MIKE CERRE
(VO) Weighing heaviest on Corporal William Pyles' mind has been his
pregnant wife back home in California. She went into labor the night he
left the country. Like most of the Fox Two/Five, he had yet to receive his
first letter from home, until their move back to an area where they could
finally get their mail.
(VO) "Smoke 'em if you got 'em" is another timeless _expression
amongst grunts. And Fox Two/Five finally has them. And something they
don't have to worry about. Near the Iraq/Kuwait border, this is Mike Cerre
23:59:15 TED KOPPEL
(OC) When we come back, the latest news on the military buildup in the
24:01:58 TED KOPPEL
(OC) My "Nightline" colleague Chris Bury is in Kuwait tonight, the main
military staging area for an American invasion of Iraq. Chris, you spent
the day with the Marines. How close to moving do you think they are?
24:02:08 CHRIS BURY, ABC NEWS
(OC) Well, I think they're in their final preparations for beginning a
possible assault. We were up with the Fifth Marine Regimen, which is about
30 miles from the Kuwaiti border. And it's clear their final preparations
are under way. In fact, they've suspended some of their heavy-duty
training, such as artillery practice, in order to get their equipment tuned
up and ready to go. I talked to a top Marine commander. He said his
troops are near their peak readiness. And he's somewhat concerned that
that readiness could fade in a few weeks, perhaps a month, and morale could
start to sag. The clear implication from the Marine point of view, at any
rate, they would like to begin this assault sooner rather than later.
24:02:48 TED KOPPEL
(OC) Do you have a sense of what the mission is?
24:02:50 CHRIS BURY
(OC) The Marines are going to move north and east from here to Basra, a
major city, Iraqi city in southern Iraq. And their objective really will
be twofold, to take the territory around Basra and also to pin down regular
Iraqi army troops so that the heavy US army divisions can move straight to
Baghdad. The Marines, as always, will have plenty of air support. In this
case, a top commander told us that two to four days in advance of the
Marine ground forces, the Iraqi forces will be pounded by the Marine air
wing. And this commander characterized this as, perhaps, the heaviest
combined air/ground attack in the history of the Marines.
24:03:31 TED KOPPEL
(OC) I understand that we had our first little run-in between the military
and the media. But it wasn't with the US military.
24:03:39 CHRIS BURY
(OC) Well, it turns out the British troops here are a rather touchy
subject. There are about 30,000 British forces here in the region,
including about 4,000 Royal Marines. And we were asked today not to take
their pictures. And the reason, when we asked, we were told was politics.
Because of the anti-war sentiment in Great Britain, the military has
decided that the fewer British troops that are seen on television, the
24:04:05 TED KOPPEL
(OC) Chris Bury, thank you very much. That's our report for tonight. I'm
Ted Koppel in Washington. For all of us here at ABC News, good night.
|Alpha || |
All times are GMT