| Author | Message | | DanielDives | |  | | DanielDives | | | | Von Curtis | | Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: just joined after 6 month reading and learning at this site |
| We have had a break though in Australia, Hereward Fenton of http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1681 has managed to get an article published on our biggest national media corporation the ABC. More than 500 comments have been made but I would like the people here to also make a comment and force the whole discussion further into the mainstream .
Thank-you
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2240510.htm | | | | Von Curtis | | Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: sorry |
| | Due to too much pressure the ABC closed down the comments om the article - at least it is a start which will go a lot futher soon. | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: |
| At least there exists one honest media organization for now.
Congrats and welcome to the board. | | | | Von Curtis | | Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:17 am Post subject: a world wide movement |
| Yes , thank-you, he did very well and got 552 comments before the comments were closed. It was pretty amazing the ABC ran it - it may go somewhere I hope. It is 9pm at night here and I do listen to BBC world service after 10pm - its interesting to hear how they spin events to make the US/ British / Israel empire into the good guys.
Our Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is pretty much a cloned John Howard- both up to their necks in pre- knowledge of 9/11 and promoting wars so I think our whole government , opposition and departments are extremely dysfunctional.
I do think things have started to turn towards truth and we are on the road to something better - might take a while though- they are having great difficulty starting another war. That old hard-line generation ( never forgive and never forget) around the world were never going to leave this world quietly- they are very, very tough people and never give an inch- I know my father and others like him very well. | | | | Fokke | | Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: |
| | After the BBC reported on how Blair had the Iraq files 'sexed up' with the claim that Saddam could use his WMD's (not found until now) within 45 minutes, the BBC chairman was replaced by a jew. | | | | DanielDives | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: 9/11 collapse mystery solved: scientists |
| So, let me get this straight up until 9-11 no skyscraper in history ever had irs structural steel compromised due to fire but on that day, three buldings "free fell" into their own footprints because NIST said so?
9/11 collapse mystery solved: scientists
August 22, 2008 - 9:53AM
US investigators say they have solved a mystery of the September 11, 2001 attacks: the collapse of World Trade Centre building 7, a source of long-running conspiracy theories.
The 47-storey trapezoid sat north of the World Trade Centre towers, across Vesey Street in New York City's lower Manhattan.
On September 11, it was set on fire by falling debris from the burning towers, but sceptics have long argued that fire and debris alone should not have brought down such a big steel and concrete structure.
Scientists with the National Institute of Standards and Technology say their three-year investigation of the collapse determined the demise of WTC 7 was actually the first time in the world a fire caused the total failure of a skyscraper.
"The reason for the collapse of World Trade Centre 7 is no longer a mystery," said Dr Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the team.
Investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.
The building has been the subject of a wide range of conspiracy theories for the last seven years, partly because the collapse occurred about seven hours after the twin towers came down. That fuelled suspicion that someone intentionally blew up the building in a controlled demolition.
Critics like Mike Berger of the group 9/11 Truth said he was not buying the government's explanation.
"Their explanation simply isn't sufficient. We're being lied to," he said, arguing that there is other evidence suggesting explosives were used on the building.
Sunder said his team investigated the possibility that an explosion inside the building brought it down, but found there was no large boom or other noise that would have occurred with such a detonation. Investigators also created a giant computer model of the collapse, based partly on news footage from CBS News, that they say shows internal column failure brought down the building.
Investigators also ruled out the possibility that the collapse was caused by fires from a substantial amount of diesel fuel that was stored in the building, most of it for generators for the city's emergency operations command centre.
The 77-page report concluded that the fatal blow to the building came when the 13th floor collapsed, weakening a critical steel support column that led to catastrophic failure.
"When this critical column buckled due to lack of floor supports, it was the first domino in the chain," Sunder said.
The NIST investigators issued more than a dozen building recommendations as a result of their inquiry, most of which repeat earlier recommendations from their investigation into the collapse of the two large towers.
In both instances, investigators concluded that extreme heat caused some steel beams to lose strength, causing further failures throughout the buildings until the entire structure succumbed.
The recommendations include building skyscrapers with stronger connections and framing systems to resist the effects of thermal expansion, and structural systems designed to prevent damage to one part of a building from spreading to other parts.
A spokeswoman for the leaseholder of the World Trade Centre, developer Larry Silverstein, praised the government's work.
"Hopefully this thorough report puts to rest the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, which dishonour the men and women who lost their lives on that terrible day," said Silverstein spokeswoman Dara McQuillan.
In discussing the findings, the investigator Sunder acknowledged that some may still not be convinced, but insisted the science behind their findings is "incredibly conclusive".
"The public should really recognise the science is really behind what we have said," he said, adding: "The obvious stares you in the face."
AP
This story was found at: http://www.theage.com.au/world/911-collapse-mystery-solved-scientists-20080822-3zu5.html | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: DOUBT Poll: Al-Qaida Not Universally Blamed For 9/11 |
| Poll: Al-Qaida Not Universally Blamed For 9/11
15% cite the U.S. government, 7% blame Israel and 7% think there was another perpetrator.
Thursday, September 11, 2008
http://mojo.channel955.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article=4224564
(UPI) – The idea that al-Qaida was responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the United States is not universally accepted, a poll indicates.
A WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of 17 nations released Wednesday found majorities in only nine believe al-Qaida was behind the deadly attacks on the World Trade Center towers in New York, the Pentagon in Washington and a jetliner that crashed in Pennsylvania.
On average, 46 percent said al-Qaida was behind the attacks, 15 percent cite the U.S. government, 7 percent blame Israel and 7 percent think there was another perpetrator. One in four said they don't know who was responsible.
"Given the extraordinary impact the 9/11 attacks have had on world affairs, it is remarkable that seven years later there is no international consensus about who was behind them," Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org, said.
Fifty-six percent of Britons and Italians, 63 percent of French and 64 percent of Germans believe al-Qaida was behind the attacks. But 24 percent of Germans and 36 percent of Turks cite the U.S. government, and 43 percent of Egyptians say Israel was responsible.
Kenya (77 percent) and Nigeria (71 percent) had the highest percentages blaming al-Qaida.
The poll, managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, of surveyed 16,063 people July 15 to Aug. 31. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3-4 percent.
Other countries polled included China, Indonesia, Jordan, Mexico, the Palestinian Territories, Russia, South Korea, Taiwan and Ukraine. | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
