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If You Ask Me

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How deeply was the US Government or elements thereof involved in 911?
Not at all, it was purely a case of catastrophic incompetence.
10%
 10%  [ 3 ]
They let it happen but weren't involved directly.
26%
 26%  [ 8 ]
They ran the whole show, maybe with the help of some friends.
63%
 63%  [ 19 ]
Total Votes : 30

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Anglo Thug
Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:51 pm    Post subject: If You Ask Me

If You Ask Me

What do you think happened? Write your opinion piece here and draw together all the other topics into an overall theory. Everyone feel free to comment but in a constructive manner. It takes balls to go with your own opinion or even believe your own eyes these days.
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Last edited by Anglo Thug on Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:34 am; edited 1 time in total
Cowboy
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:02 am    Post subject:

Your choices are extremely biased, in denial of the facts.
Anglo Thug
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:21 am    Post subject:

Cowboy wrote:
Your choices are extremely biased, in denial of the facts.


A single sentence doesn't count as an opinion piece. If you wish to expand on the sentence you have presented then go ahead, being careful to give clear examples of the bias you claim as well as the facts you speak of.
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Cowboy
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:09 am    Post subject:

You leave only choices for "involved" or "incompetent".

Neither is true.
Anglo Thug
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:34 am    Post subject:

Cowboy wrote:
You leave only choices for "involved" or "incompetent".

Neither is true.


Despite all prior warnings government failed at every level, as testified to by the 911 Commission. Failure at every level is as clear an indication of incompetence as is possible. If it wasn't incompetence and they weren't involved in the actual attacks then there only remains the possibility they preformed to expectation or in the region of expectation at least. However, considering they failed at every level it is clear that expectations were not met or even approached. Incompetence has been rolled out as the excuse, although nobody has been reprimanded as a result, with some even being promoted or awarded honours. As always, the official verdict stinks and makes no sense at all. This is mainly due to the inability of anyone in government to accept any responsibility for anything adverse in nature. Katrina was a further demonstration of shattering incompetence and compounded and placed in context the failures of 11/9. This is why, for the more gullible amongst us, incompetence is offered as an option in the poll. Otherwise the two more realistic options are presented and already appear to be making the running. There is nothing wrong with the poll. It is an accurate reflection of the possibilities.

The purpose of this thread is clear enough. I asked you to expand on your initial sentence with an accounting of the facts you speak of. Instead you simply make a claim in absence of the facts. There should be no more of this. This is not how we will proceed in this forum. If you want to make a statement then back it up with reasoned dialogue and facts when they are available. Otherwise say nothing. This is the final request I'll make of you regarding strict adherence to the guidelines.
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Cowboy
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:45 am    Post subject:

Quote:
The purpose of this thread is clear enough.


Yes, it certainly is.
DanielDives
Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:59 am    Post subject:

Cowboy,

This is your last and final warning. Either you debate, or you’re out.

I hope these two choices are very clear and you will have no trouble in making the right decision.

Stay on topic and don`t reply to this message.

Period.

Daniel
Phoenix
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:50 am    Post subject:

I haven't decided yet whether the US government was directly or at least partly involved in 09/11 but I have no doubt that they were responsible in some way and that they have desperately tried to cover this up. So I will reserve judgement for the time being and take a good, long look at the evidence of this superb, much needed forum, before entering this poll.
Veracity
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:58 am    Post subject:

They were certainly involved indirectly.

Training and funding of Al Qaeda operatives for years.

Warnings unheeded or ignored.

Enough to indicate perhaps that influences brought to bear might mean direct and pernicious involvement by elements within the US.
Top
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject:

I think the USG was aware of the attack before it happened. This explains the President's reaction (look) as the news was reported, regarding the plane hitting the first tower.

The US intelligence world must have also known the extent to which Israeli spies had/have infiltrated the country.

These spies, I believe are the architects of this plan, they are the ones who facilitated the operation.

For me, it's hard to believe 19 arabs can orchestrate such an operation. My experience with them has been that you can't get 4 of them to fight their way out of a bathroom.

They are for the most part incompetent people when it comes to detailed operations complex problems. They don't tend to think for themselves and want others to do the work for them.

I know this is a generalization, but that's what I've seen.

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