| Author | Message | | medea | | Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
| | Quote: | How was it that these stories - based on no fact, no research and no inquirry - appeared in full blown form so quickly on US news networks and then became part of the core myths of what happened on 9/11?
Were these stories prepared in advance? |
from video clip:
How did these stories make it so quickly to the media and become the core part of consciousness of what Americans believe about 9/11?
from, HASBARA MANUAL, page 6:
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People Believe What they Hear First
Uncritical audiences believe something if they hear it first and hear it often. People tend to believe the first thing they hear about a certain issue, and filter subsequent information they hear based on their current beliefs. Once people believe something, it is hard to convince them they were wrong in the first place....
page 19, Point Scoring vs Debate:
Central to point scoring is the ability to disquise point scoring by giving the impression of genuine debate. Audience members can be alienated by undisguised attacks, so all point scoring needs to be disguised.
To disguise point scoring, comments need to seem to be logical, and to follow from what was said before. ... | [/quote] | |  | | Alpha | | | | dzh | | Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: |
| | The Hasbara Manual is about as revelatory as a P.R. firm entry-level handbook for "how to deal with the bovine masses". Could you stop referring to it like some mythological cipher. It genuinely makes me embarrassed for you. | | | | Top | | Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: |
| Several years ago, I realized some of the Israelis on this board, including some of the Christian Zionists were communicating in a distinct way. There was a pattern. Then, I read somewhere about the 4 talking points...I can't remember all of them now, but basically attack the messenger, ridicule what is being said and so forth. All of them were using the same tactic. If you say anything critical about israel (Exception is Hasbara), they come after you with a vengeance to ridicule you for what you say.
Then, a year or so later, I realized they work with communication messages. The first of these i heard about was the Wexner report. This was shocking to see but it confirmed we who want to strike a simple debate are confronted with others whose business is to control the message.
http://www.adc.org/luntzwexneranalysis.pdf
Later, I found out there is an actual name for this and this is HASBARA. It is a definite tactic being used against Americans, many of them completely oblivious to the world, much less Israelis and their techniques around the world.
Below is the link to the Hasbara Manual, this one printed in 2004.
http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf
So, I'm not saying no other ethnic minority does this, but then again, no other ethnic minority is engaged in having the United States prosecute a war against another people for them, supplying them with support and CASH while at the same time being the reason they continue to keep land acquired by force. | | | | medea | | Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: rock overturned, slugs scurrying |
| | Quote: | | The Hasbara Manual is about as revelatory as a P.R. firm entry-level handbook for "how to deal with the bovine masses". |
Your bovine analogy is revelatory: PR techniques and propaganda work only on stupid crowds -- mindless herds, or mobs. The Hasbara manual advises its adherents to be mindful of this reality:
| Quote: | under Propaganda Techniques
Bandwagon
Most people, when in doubt, are happy to do what other people are doing. This is the
bandwagon effect. People are happy to be part of the crowd, and subtle manipulators can
play on this desire by emphasizing the large size of their support. Although it is reasonable
that people are given a chance to find out how many other supporters a speaker or movement
has, often it is possible to create the impression of extensive support - through gathering all
supporters in one place, or through poorly conducted opinion polls - in an attempt to persuade
people who are keen to follow the crowd.
Israel activists can commission opinion polls amongst groups who favour Israel, and use these
to give the impression that Israel is the 'team to support'. Demonstrations, and even photos
that give the impression of large numbers can help to create the impression that Israel is even
more popular than it is. |
| Quote: | | Could you stop referring to it like some mythological cipher. It genuinely makes me embarrassed for you. |
Hasbara is not mythology, it is a real-world political tool overtly designed to use deception to distort reality and people's perceptions in order to obtain an advantage.
People die and lives and institutions are destroyed for generations as a result of these deceptive tactics.
Even if the lives of persons and institutions were not at stake as a result of propaganda techniques as are advocated by tools such as Hasbara, it would still be dangerous to teach and encourage people to employ mob-forming, anti-rational, and deceptive techniques because such techniques seriously erode the bedrock of the democratic process.
A house built on sand will not stand.
The United States was founded on the premise that an alert and informed citizenry would make critical decisions to carry on their own government. It is essential to expose any and every effort to dishonestly and prejudicially influence the information citizens use to make decisions.
Your "genuine embarrassment" is misplaced. The function of a university education is to teach young people how to critically analyze information in order to arrive at sound, rational decisions. WUJS teaches its university students to disguise and distort to achieve a prejudiced goal. That should be a "genuine embarrassment." | | | | medea | | Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: link? |
| | Quote: | | Below is the link to the Hasbara Manual, this one printed in 2004. |
Top--
looks like the same ole Hasbara manual -- 2002 version. | | | | medea | | Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: ooops |
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but thanks for the Lunz link.
talk about misanthropological ciphers! | | | | Top | | Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:40 am Post subject: |
| Welcome!
Have you found the newest version of the Hasbara manual? | | | | Alpha | | Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
| Iran says will not halt uranium enrichment
By Parisa HafeziSun Feb 18, 7:16 AM ET
Iran will not agree to suspend uranium enrichment as demanded by the U.N. Security Council, which has given Tehran until February 21 to halt sensitive atomic work, the Foreign Ministry said on Sunday.
The United Nations slapped sanctions on Iran in December, barring the transfer of sensitive materials and know-how to the Islamic Republic's nuclear program. It threatened further action if Iran did not heed U.N. demands.
"Suspension is unacceptable. There are no grounds to do that. This issue belongs to the past. There is no legal and logical justification for that," spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told a weekly news conference.
Iran previously suspended enrichment work under an agreement with European states that broke down in 2005.
Other top Iranian officials have also insisted Iran will press ahead with its nuclear program, which the West believes is a clandestine program to build atomic bombs. Iran denies this, saying it only wants to make fuel for power plants.
"Nuclear energy is the country's future and destiny," Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's highest authority, was quoted by Etemad-e Melli newspaper as saying.
"If a nation does not care about its energy sources in the future, it must rely on arrogant powers (the West)," he said.
Iran sits on the world's second biggest oil and gas reserves but says it wants to build a network of nuclear power plants to prepare for the day when its energy supplies run out and to ensure it maximizes energy exports in the meantime.
Visiting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad renewed his country's support for Iran's nuclear activities, saying it was entitled to them as a signatory of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
State television said that, in a joint Iranian-Syrian statement, "Syria expressed its support for Iran's peaceful nuclear program."
Iranian officials have indicated they might consider some compromise proposals, including one that Iran continue spinning the enrichment centrifuges it already has, but without injecting the uranium feedstock.
Diplomats say several Western countries oppose this idea because it could still help Iran to master the process.
Tehran has so far enriched tiny quantities of uranium to the low levels needed for power plant fuel. However, it has said it is determined to increase output by installing a network of thousands of centrifuges.
Copyright © 2007 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon.
James Morris <justicequest2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Forwarded:
Mr. Leupp,
The Office of Iranian Affairs is actually at the State Department as it is the Iranian directorate which is the department at the Pentagon (I wouldn't be at all surprised if the 'Iranian' EFP presentation in Baghdad last Sunday came out of the Iranian directorate which replaced Doug Feith's Office of Special Plans that cooked and and manipulated the 'intel' to get US into the Iraq quagmire - http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0213-20.htm ):
Iran: a Chronology of Disinformation
http://counterpunch.org/leupp02172007.html
By GARY LEUPP | | | | Alpha | | Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:28 am Post subject: |
| JD,
Here is the latest on the ongoing AIPAC espionage case from what I have seen to date:
Zionist controlled/influenced US press/media is hardly covering this ongoing AIPAC case as the New York Sun (a neocon publication) is covering it below, but the useless US networks certainly aren't as hardly (if) any coverage is seen in the New York Times and Washington Post either - this is such a disservice to the American public by an 'American' media that puts the interests of Israel first:
Defendants Are Dealt a Blow In Aipac Case
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:03:39 -0800 From: Jeffrey Blankfort
<jblankfort@earthlink.net>
February 16, 2007
Defendants Are Dealt a Blow In Aipac Case
BY JOSH GERSTEIN - Staff Reporter of the Sun
February 16, 2007
http://www.nysun.com/article/48850
WASHINGTON -- A federal judge in Virginia has dealt two blows to the
defense of a pair of pro-Israel lobbyists accused of illegally
trafficking in classified information.
In one ruling this week, Judge Thomas Ellis III rejected defense
motions
to demand testimony from Israeli government officials. In another
decision, the judge refused to suppress statements the FBI obtained in
2004 from the two lobbyists, Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman, who were
later fired from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
Defense lawyers said Israeli officials, who refused to appear as
witnesses at the trial, could confirm that Messrs. Rosen and Weissman
were not paid or unpaid Israeli agents, explain Israel's relationship
with Aipac, and aver that the pair actually advanced American interests
through any disclosures of classified information.
Judge Ellis ruled that it was immaterial whether the defendants were
Israeli agents, in part because the government has pledged not to make
such an argument at trial. The judge said other witnesses could
adequately address Aipac's relationship with Israel and the impact of
any disclosures.
Judge Ellis also said he doubted he had the power to order the Israeli
officials to testify. He observed that a legal assistance treaty
between
Israel and America has a provision precluding its use by private
individuals.
Judge Ellis was dismissive of the defendants' claims that the FBI acted
improperly by suggesting it was conducting a security clearance
investigation when it was actually pursuing a criminal probe. The judge
noted that the defendants are well educated and, according to phone
taps, immediately suspected the subterfuge.
"The alleged deception in this case is insufficient to render the
statements involuntary. Indeed, a contrary conclusion would be the
death
knell of all undercover operations, which, to succeed, necessarily
require a level and degree of deception and false statements far
greater
than that presented here," Judge Ellis wrote.
"We hoped the Court would agree with our reasons for seeking the
Israeli
testimony and are disappointed that it did not," an attorney for Mr.
Rosen, Abbe Lowell said in a statement sent by e-mail. "However, we are
gratified that the Court reasons included its acknowledgement of the
issues we have stated are strong defenses to these charges."
The case, set for trial on June 4, is being watched closely by First
Amendment advocates. Part of the indictment is predicated on Messrs.
Rosen and Weissman giving classified information to journalists. It is
unprecedented for individuals entirely outside the government to be
prosecuted for relaying classified information to reporters.
A Defense Department analyst who leaked information to the lobbyists,
Lawrence Franklin, has pleaded guilty and is cooperating with
prosecutors.
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Ruling in Aipac case interprets espionage act narrowly, to
Defendants’ advantage
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:56:57 -0800 From: Jeffrey Blankfort
<jblankfort@earthlink.net>
From Michael P.:
Ruling in Aipac case interprets espionage act narrowly
In the unprecedented prosecution of two former officials of the
American
Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a federal court last year
upheld the government's controversial claim that the Espionage Act
could
be used to prosecute the unauthorized receipt and transmittal of
classified information by private citizens who are not engaged in
espionage.
But as the case proceeds, the court continues to interpret the
Espionage
Act in a restrictive manner that places an increasing burden of proof
on
the prosecution, and that could even make the case a source of
embarrassment for the government by exposing sensitive "back channel"
diplomatic practices.
In a decision last week, Judge T.S. Ellis, III, denied a defense motion
asking the court to compel testimony from Israeli
http://www.fas.org/sgp/jud/rosen021407.pdf
But along the way, the court also elaborated its demanding view of the
requirements that the prosecution must meet to win a conviction under
the Espionage Act, and indicated what sorts of facts might tend to
exculpate the defendants.
"To prove the alleged conspiracy to disclose [national defense
information, or NDI] to one not authorized to receive it, the
government
must prove all of the following," wrote Judge Ellis, at the beginning
of
a list of prosecutorial hurdles (at page 8) that reiterates and expands
upon the requirements first spelled out in his August 2006 order
denying
a motion to dismiss the case.
Among other things, the government must prove that "defendants
possessed
all the culpable mental states that would be necessary for conviction
under [the Espionage Act]," which include four distinct states of
knowledge or belief (at page 9).
Briefly, prosecutors must show that the defendants knew the information
involved was closely held and could harm the United States; that it
could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of
a foreign nation; that the recipients of the information were not
authorized to receive it; and that the defendants acted with knowledge
that the disclosures were illegal and could harm national security.
But if the defense can show that U.S. government officials frequently
disclosed confidential information to AIPAC for transmittal to the
Israeli government, the court observed, that would mean the defendants
could have plausibly believed such behavior was authorized.
If "the governments of the United States and Israel routinely used
AIPAC
as a diplomatic 'back channel' [to convey sensitive information]" that
would be "potentially exculpatory" since it could "affect defendants'
perception of the propriety of any disclosures made by or to them."
The nature of the relationship between the governments of the U.S. and
Israel may also have a bearing on the defendants' state of mind, the
Judge wrote, in language that may foreshadow close scrutiny of
U.S.-Israel relations at trial:
"The more specific the details of the alleged cooperation between the
two governments, the more probative [i.e., legally significant] such
cooperation becomes," Judge Ellis wrote. (p. 14)
In another important observation, the judge wrote that "testimony that
disclosures of alleged NDI were viewed by defendants, or their contacts
in the diplomatic establishment, as beneficial to the United States'
interests is exculpatory." (p. 13)
Similar reasoning would imply that if a news organization published
classified information in the belief that doing so was beneficial to
the
United States, that would take it beyond the scope of the Espionage
Act's prohibitions on unauthorized disclosure of national defense
information.
The trial of defendants Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman is scheduled
to begin on or around June 4 in the Eastern District of Virginia.
A separate ruling from Judge Ellis last week denied a defense request
to
suppress statements made by defendants to FBI agents on grounds that
the
agents used trickery or deception to elicit the statements. | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
