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Shnozzle
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject: 'Downing Street' hearings: 6-16-05

Hearings on Downing Street minutes – June 16 – Chaired by J. Conyers.

WASHINGTON, D.C. - On Thursday June 16, 2005, Rep. John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Member of House Judiciary Committee, and other Democratic Members will hold a Democratic hearing to hear testimony concerning the Downing Street Minutes and the efforts to cook the books on pre-war intelligence.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/House_Judiciary_Democrats_to_hold_hearings_on_Downing_Street_mi_0609.html

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=645323

http://lists.stir.ac.uk/pipermail/media-watch/2004-October/001523.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3809302


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Polling Report on Iraq War

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. June 2-5, 2005

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm

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Shnozzle
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:13 pm    Post subject: Updated

“After Downing Street”

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/
fordm
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:14 pm    Post subject:

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fordm
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:19 pm    Post subject:

By Grace Reid, June 11, 2005


MILITARY FAMILIES CHARGE BLAIR WITH WAR CRIMES – WILL TAKE CASE TO INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT


It has been widely reported that release of war documents from Downing Street finished Tony Blair in the last election. While that is true enough, the tide turned in the May 5th election when 10 bereaved families of British soldiers killed in Iraq confronted Tony Blair face to face, charging him with war crimes. .

All the documentary evidence of Bush/Blair war crimes is now laid out for judicial review before the International Criminal, and, thanks to the BBC and the Sunday Times, for the inspection and review before the court of public opinion. This evidence is only now surfacing in the US -- through Knight-Ridder, the Washington Post, the New York Times, and the Chicago Tribune. This is the beginning of the end of the war in Iraq, and the beginning of the end of George Bush, Alberto Gonzales, & the whole criminal gang.


But nothing, no bombshell memorandum, no tabloid headlines, no amount of media or public attention has had the impact of the grief wracked faces of the bereaved families of the military dead. Ten families have changed the course of the British government, the course of history in the illegal war in Iraq, and ultimately the fate of the Bush administration.

There are some true heroes in this story; and some criminal geniuses who conceived of and continue to spread the crime of illegal war in Iraq. There are some very honourable people who serve in the military; and there are some who have resigned from office rather than take part in war crimes including conscientious objectors. But of all the players in this drama of war and corruption, heroism and cold-blooded insane murder, the ones who have the most power to bring about change and bring a stop to this war are, in fact, "the least among you." My heartfelt gratitude goes to Bereaved Military Families, to Military Families Against the War, to Gold Star Families for Peace, and to all the families who have lost men, women, and children in this insane, and criminal war.


www.mfaw.org.uk

www.gsfp.org

Alpha
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: After the Downing Street Memo: Case for Impeachment Builds

After the Downing Street Memo: Case for Impeachment Builds

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/wake-up-america-your-government-is-hijacked-by-zionism/2005/06/06/after-the-downing-street-memo-case-for-impeachment-builds.php
Alpha
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:16 pm    Post subject:

From: TILLAWI@aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 14:51:35 EDT
Subject: Current Issues- Interview uploaded with Cindy Sheehan and John Schowrtz.
To: TILLAWI@aol.com



See the interview at www.currentissues.tv

Co-founder of Gold Star Families for Peace, Cindy Sheehan' interview with "Current Issues with Hesham Tillawi ' received an excellent review by our audience. "Cindy lost her son Casey in Iraq and was speaking frankly from the heart, unlike John Schwarz who was seen as trying to put a spin on the issues of the War against Iraq." noted one viewer via email. We believe both guests had done a nice job in explaining what the new group, www.AfterDowningStreet.org is all about. To see both interviews please go www.currentissues.tv then click on " Watch this week's show"

We owe it to all those who were killed on September 11 2001 and all those who were killed in Iraq including but not limited to Americans and Iraqis, to know the truth about why they perished.

Please send our link to all on your list and add our link to your website. This is the only way to beat big media outlets in their own game and force these issues to be debated in every house in America.

Next week, Thursday June 16 2005 don't miss our interview with Mark Glenn, Historian , educator, writer, and author. His books about the conflicts in the Middle East are excellent references regarding the Palestinian tragedy, and human loss. Mark tells it from the heart, he is trying to get the truth out regarding the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. As a historian, Mark has an interesting look at the history and cooperation between Islam and Christianity.Did Islam and the Arabic culture end the Dark Ages in the West? We will see what Mark has to say about that. Its a must see for everyone. See it next Thursday June 16 at 8:00 PM CT by going to www.currentissues.tv


from...AfterDowningStreet.org
478,348 Signatures and Counting

With a big boost from MoveOn.org, the count of signatures on Congressman Conyers' letter to Bush asking for answers to the Downing Street Minutes is 478,348 and climbing. Clearly we will pass the goal of 500,000 before the Congressman delivers the letter to the White House on Thursday and we all rally in Lafayette Square Park.

Sign the letter

http://www.johnconyers.com





124 Organizations and Growing Fast

Thus far 124 organizations and blogs have joined the AfterDowningStreet.org coalition.

See top right of this page:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org





The Current Issues team

www.currentissues.tv
Cowboy
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject:

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Hearings on Downing Street minutes – June 16 – Chaired by J. Conyers.

WASHINGTON, D.C. - On Thursday June 16, 2005, Rep. John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Member of House Judiciary Committee, and other Democratic Members will hold a Democratic hearing to hear testimony concerning the Downing Street Minutes and the efforts to cook the books on pre-war intelligence.


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anonymouse
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:46 am    Post subject: criminal geniuses?

I understand about the criminal part but who are the geniuses supposed to be?
Alpha
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:34 am    Post subject: Memo: U.S. Lacked Full Postwar Iraq Plan

washingtonpost.com
Memo: U.S. Lacked Full Postwar Iraq Plan
Advisers to Blair Predicted Instability

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, June 12, 2005; A01



A briefing paper prepared for British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his top advisers eight months before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq concluded that the U.S. military was not preparing adequately for what the British memo predicted would be a "protracted and costly" postwar occupation of that country.

The eight-page memo, written in advance of a July 23, 2002, Downing Street meeting on Iraq, provides new insights into how senior British officials saw a Bush administration decision to go to war as inevitable, and realized more clearly than their American counterparts the potential for the post-invasion instability that continues to plague Iraq.

In its introduction, the memo "Iraq: Conditions for Military Action" notes that U.S. "military planning for action against Iraq is proceeding apace," but adds that "little thought" has been given to, among other things, "the aftermath and how to shape it."

The July 21 memo was produced by Blair's staff in preparation for a meeting with his national security team two days later that has become controversial on both sides of the Atlantic since last month's disclosure of official notes summarizing the session.

In those meeting minutes -- which have come to be known as the Downing Street Memo -- British officials who had just returned from Washington said Bush and his aides believed war was inevitable and were determined to use intelligence about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and his relations with terrorists to justify invasion of Iraq.

The "intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy," said the memo -- an assertion attributed to the then-chief of British intelligence, and denied by U.S. officials and by Blair at a news conference with Bush last week in Washington. Democrats in Congress led by Rep. John Conyers Jr. (Mich.), however, have scheduled an unofficial hearing on the matter for Thursday.

Now, disclosure of the memo written in advance of that meeting -- and other British documents recently made public -- show that Blair's aides were not just concerned about Washington's justifications for invasion but also believed the Bush team lacked understanding of what could happen in the aftermath.

In a section titled "Benefits/Risks," the July 21 memo states, "Even with a legal base and a viable military plan, we would still need to ensure that the benefits of action outweigh the risks."

Saying that "we need to be sure that the outcome of the military action would match our objective," the memo's authors point out, "A post-war occupation of Iraq could lead to a protracted and costly nation-building exercise." The authors add, "As already made clear, the U.S. military plans are virtually silent on this point. Washington could look to us to share a disproportionate share of the burden."

That memo and other internal British government documents were originally obtained by Michael Smith, who writes for the London Sunday Times. Excerpts were made available to The Washington Post, and the material was confirmed as authentic by British sources who sought anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the matter.

The Bush administration's failure to plan adequately for the postwar period has been well documented. The Pentagon, for example, ignored extensive State Department studies of how to achieve stability after an invasion, administer a postwar government and rebuild the country. And administration officials have acknowledged the mistake of dismantling the Iraqi army and canceling pensions to its veteran officers -- which many say hindered security, enhanced anti-U.S. feeling and aided what would later become a violent insurgency.

Testimony by then-Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul D. Wolfowitz, one of the chief architects of Iraq policy, before a House subcommittee on Feb. 28, 2003, just weeks before the invasion, illustrated the optimistic view the administration had of postwar Iraq. He said containment of Hussein the previous 12 years had cost "slightly over $30 billion," adding, "I can't imagine anyone here wanting to spend another $30 billion to be there for another 12 years." As of May, the Congressional Research Service estimated that Congress has approved $208 billion for the war in Iraq since 2003.

The British, however, had begun focusing on doubts about a postwar Iraq in early 2002, according to internal memos.

A March 14 memo to Blair from David Manning, then the prime minister's foreign policy adviser and now British ambassador in Washington, reported on talks with then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice. Among the "big questions" coming out of his sessions, Manning reported, was that the president "has yet to find the answers . . . [and] what happens on the morning after."

About 10 days later, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw wrote a memo to prepare Blair for a meeting in Crawford, Tex., on April 8. Straw said "the big question" about military action against Hussein was, "how there can be any certainty that the replacement regime will be any better," as "Iraq has no history of democracy."

Straw said the U.S. assessments "assumed regime change as a means of eliminating Iraq's WMD [weapons of mass destruction] threat. But none has satisfactorily answered how that regime change is to be secured. . . ."

Later in the summer, the postwar doubts would be raised again, at the July 23 meeting memorialized in the Downing Street Memo. Richard Dearlove, then head of MI6, the British intelligence service, reported on his meetings with senior Bush officials. At one point, Dearlove said, "There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action."

Republican Party Chairman Ken Mehlman, appearing June 5 on "Meet the Press," disagreed with Dearlove's remark. "I think that there was clearly planning that occurred."

The Blair government, unlike its U.S. counterparts, always doubted that coalition troops would be uniformly welcomed, and sought U.N. participation in the invasion in part to set the stage for an international occupation and reconstruction of Iraq, said British officials interviewed recently. London was aware that the State Department had studied how to deal with an invasion's aftermath. But the British government was "shocked," in the words of one official, "when we discovered that in the postwar period the Defense Department would still be running the show."

The Downing Street Memo has been the subject of debate since the London Sunday Times first published it May 1. Opponents of the war say it proved the Bush administration was determined to invade months before the president said he made that decision.

Neither Bush nor Blair has publicly challenged the authenticity of the July 23 memo, nor has Dearlove spoken publicly about it. One British diplomat said there are different interpretations.

Last week, it was the subject of questions posed to Blair and Bush during the former's visit to Washington.

Asked about Dearlove being quoted as saying that in the United States, intelligence was being "fixed around the policy" of removing Hussein by military action, Blair said, "No, the facts were not being fixed in any shape or form at all." He then went on to discuss the British plan, outlined in the memo, to go to the United Nations to get weapons inspectors back into Iraq.

Bush said he had read "characterizations of the memo," pointing out that it was released in the middle of Blair's reelection campaign, and that the United States and Britain went to the United Nations to exhaust diplomatic options before the invasion.

© 2005 The Washington Post Company
Alpha
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:31 am    Post subject: Ministers were told of need for Gulf war 'excuse'

Ministers were told of need for Gulf war 'excuse':

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/wake-up-america-your-government-is-hijacked-by-zionism/2005/06/12/ministers-were-told-of-need-for-gulf-war-excuse.php
 

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