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Phoenix · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2004 8:56 am Post subject:

Ilana my dear, if you insist on attributing everything in Dafur to the government's "Arabisation" then that is up to you but for someone who continues to deny the human rights abuses being carried out by your own country and your stupidly crude comments, I am not at all surprised by your continued ignorance. Just don't expect me to buy into your simplistic version of a complex situation in Sudan - you don't have a clue. And not once have I blamed Israel or any other international entity for starting this conflict.

The "Janjaweed" Militia in Darfur
by David Hoile
(Monday 05 July 2004)

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"Those who attribute every single act of violence or criminality to the "Janjaweed" and claim that all these acts are on the instructions of the Sudanese government are either naïve or are seeking to deliberately mislead the international community."

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Introduction

In February 2003 two armed groups, the 'Sudan Liberation Army' (SLA) and the 'Justice and Equality Movement' (JEM), started a war in Darfur, a region in the west of Sudan. These groups launched attacks on policemen, government garrisons and civilians in the area. Darfur is home to some 80 tribes and ethnic groups divided between nomads and sedentary communities. Many of the rebels appear to have been identified within two or three "African" communities such as the Fur and the Zaghawa tribes. These rebels and their communities have come under attack from several "Arab" tribes. It is clear that a variety of armed elements have been active in Darfur over the past year or so, either as participants in the war or taking advantage of the turmoil the conflict has caused. These forces include the two rebel groups and militias - such as the Tora Bora - associated with them, regular government forces, irregular government forces such as the Popular Defence Forces, pro-government "Arab" and "African" militias, "Arab" vigilante groups and any number of heavily-armed criminal gangs from both sides of the Chad-Sudan border - with many bandits having access to automatic weapons from Chad, the Central African Republic and from within Sudan itself.

Who are the "Janjaweed"?

The term "Janjaweed" has been used as a blanket term to describe most of the "Arab" gunmen active in Darfur today. The UN has described the "Janjaweed" as being made up of "Sudanese and Chadian horse and camel- riding Arab nomads, opportunists and 'criminals'" (1) There can be no simple analysis of the issue. (2) Darfur is an ecologically-fragile area and had already been subject to growing - and often armed - conflict over access to water and pastures. The war has greatly exacerbated previously-existing tensions. In perhaps the most objective reading of the crisis in Darfur, the UN media service observed: "The conflict pits farming communities against nomads who have aligned themselves with the militia groups - for whom the raids are a way of life - in stiff competition for land and resources. The militias, known as the Janjaweed, attack in large numbers on horseback and camels and are driving the farmers from their land, often pushing them towards town centres." (3) There is also no doubt that these militias, and criminal gangs, have exploited the security gap which opened up in Darfur following the murder by rebels of over 400 policemen and the destruction of dozens of police stations in a region the size of France or California in which law enforcement infrastructure was already badly stretched.

The UN media service has reported "that there was nothing new about tribal clashes between nomads of Arabic extraction and village farmers belonging to local African tribes in Darfur, but these days they have become much more deadly because the raiders were better armed." A foreign diplomat noted: "The Janjawid have kept their traditional values and ways of living. They do the same as they used to: they steal to get. Only this time, their weapons are more sophisticated". (4)

It has also become apparent that the Darfur issue has been caught up in the sort of propaganda and misinformation that has characterised previous coverage of Sudan. Several commentators appear to have opted for a partisan or lazy analysis of events in Darfur, seemingly unable to resist projecting the image of government-supported "Arab" - "Janjaweed" - militias attacking "African" villagers (and in doing so often merely echoing questionable rebel claims). This has been done despite the scarcity of reliable information. United Nations media sources, for example, have noted "a lack of accurate information on the conflict" (5) and Reuters has also stated that "it is hard to independently verify claims by government or rebels in Darfur." (6) Commentators have consistently reported - and attributed - human rights abuses within Darfur in circumstances in which independent confirmation of such assertions is impossible. The New York Times, while echoing many of these allegations of human rights abuses, was candid enough to admit that "it is impossible to travel in Darfur to verify these claims". (7)

Who Controls Whom in Darfur?

The Sudanese authorities have repeatedly and consistently denied that they are sponsoring "Janjaweed" gunmen in Darfur. Sudanese leaders from the President and ministers downwards have described "Janjaweed" gunmen as "outlaws". (8) The Sudanese foreign minister, Dr Mustapha Osman Ismail, has noted: "The problem is the word Janjaweed has become a coverall for so many things. There are militias that are outside the rule of law, and this is one of the things we are going to crack down on." (9) Simplistic readings of events in Darfur claim that Khartoum is in control of all those groups labelled as "Janjaweed" - this despite increasing evidence that these forces are out of control. (10)

A May 2004 United Nations media report stated that diplomats and Chadian government officials "question how much control Khartoum has over these nomadic horsemen". (11) That the militiamen that have come to be known as "Janjaweed" are out of control is clear. Many of these gunmen have on several occasions attacked civilians in Chad. (12) Chad is a mediator in the Darfur conflict. Chadian President Deby has in fact been seen as being sympathetic towards Khartoum, having - for example - previously committed several hundred Chadian soldiers to joint operations with the Sudanese army. (13) Ahmad Allami, President Idriss Deby's official spokesman, told IRIN: "Now, there is the feeling that Sudan does not have control over the militia and needs assistance." (14) Chad's acting Defence Minister, Emmanuel Nadingar announced that on 5 May 2004, the Chadian army clashed with a raiding party of Janjaweed 25 km inside Chadian territory and killed 60 of them. One Chadian soldier was killed and seven others were wounded in the battle. The UN report stated that "One captured Janjaweed fighter who was presented to the press in Chad this week confirmed fears that the militia were operating on their own initiative without necessarily following orders from Khartoum." The gunman stated: "Nobody sent us to Chad." (15) The idea that the Khartoum authorities would have directed militiamen under its control to attack Chadian civilians and President Deby's forces would make no sense - and clearly demonstrates the anarchy associated with those groups labelled as "Janjaweed".

The Government's Response

The Khartoum authorities have taken several steps to end abuses in Darfur. In June 2004, the Sudanese President, Omar Hassan al-Bashir, ordered security forces to disarm all groups, including rebels and pro- government militia, in the conflict-ridden region of Darfur: "What happened in Darfur is bloody and severe for all Sudanese people, not only the Darfurians." (16) The Sudanese President announced a few days later that both Sudan and Chad had agreed to cooperate in the dismarning of militias on both sides of their border: "We have completed an agreement with Chad to collect arms in Darfur and the Chadian lands neighbouring Darfur at the same time...To disarm the groups in one area without the other would not help in resolving the problem.". (17) Khartoum's commitment to crack down on armed groups and gunmen in Khartoum was reiterated during the recent visit to Sudan by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell. (18) In May 2004, the Sudanese government announced the setting up of a human rights panel, led by the former Chief Justice Dafaallah Alhaj Yousif, to investigate allegations of human rights violations in Darfur.

The Hypocrisy of the Human Rights Industry on Darfur

In addition to often overt bias on the part of human rights groups, they have also demonstrated considerable hypocrisy with regard to Darfur. Scores of Sudanese soldiers and policemen have been killed in tribal clashes and while trying to apprehend those suspected, including "Janjaweed", of criminal acts. While claiming that the Arab "Janjaweed" raiders are sponsored by the government, Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International ignore the fact that the government has regularly taken very firm action against "Arab" tribesmen who have attacked "African" communities. In April 2003, for example, Sudanese courts sentenced 24 Arab armed bandits to death for their involvement in the murder of 35 African villagers in attacks on pastoralist villages. Judge Mukhtar Ibrahim Adam described the attacks as "barbaric and savage conduct" reminiscent of "the dark ages". (19) In a further example of the government's firm stance, in October 2003, 14 other Arab tribesmen were also sentenced to death for the murder of non-Arab villagers during attacks and arson within villages in south Darfur state. (20) There is also abundant evidence of the sorts of lawlessness that has plagued Darfur, including considerable "Arab" on "Arab" violence. In one incident alone in May 2002, as reported by the UN media service, 50 Arab tribesmen were killed in such clashes between the Arab Rizayqat and Ma'aliyah tribes. (21) (Would this qualify as '"Janjaweed" on "Janjaweed"' violence?) A special criminal court sentenced 86 Rizayqat tribesmen to death for involvement in the murder of these members of the Ma'aliyah tribe (the sentences are still pending appeals).

The stance of the human rights industry on criminal violence in Darfur has been contradictory. Amnesty International, for example, has previously criticised government inaction in responding to the violence and banditry in the region. In February 2003 Amnesty International stated that "government responses to armed clashes have been ineffective". (22) Amnesty has then condemned the government for taking measures to restore order, such as arresting tribesmen suspected of involvement in violence. (23) The scale of the violence had led to Khartoum introducing special measures, including the declaration of a state of emergency (24) and the establishment of eight special criminal courts created by presidential decree to deal with offences such as murder, tribal clashes, armed robbery, arson and the smuggling of weapons. These courts have subsequently handed down stiff sentences. Yet these actions have also been criticised by Amnesty International. (25) And at the same time these measures are being taken by Khartoum against the very Arab tribesmen that it is alleged the government are militarily supporting.

Conclusion

Those who attribute every single act of violence or criminality to the "Janjaweed" and claim that all these acts are on the instructions of the Sudanese government are either naïve or are seeking to deliberately mislead the international community. In either instance they ill serve the people of Darfur. It is essential to cut away the propaganda that is already clouding the Darfur issue. A negotiated settlement to the conflict must be reached. International pressure must be brought to bear upon those forces, national and international, that have been fuelling the fighting. The humanitarian needs of those who have been displaced must be met until those affected are able to return to their homes. Khartoum must address the criminality and armed banditry that has undermined law and order in Darfur. At the same time, however, lazy commentators and human rights organisations cannot have it both ways in criticising the Sudanese government for inaction and then attacking Khartoum for responding firmly to terrorism and lawlessness.

Notes:

[1]. "The Escalating Crisis in Darfur", News Article by Integrated Regional Information Networks, UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Nairobi, 31 December 2003.

[2]. See, for example, 'The Darfur Crisis: Looking Beyond the Propaganda', European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council, London, March 2004, available at www.espac.org.

[3]. "Widespread Insecurity in Darfur Despite Ceasefire", News Article by Integrated Regional Information Networks, UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Nairobi, 3 October 2003.

[4]. "Janjawid Militia in Western Sudan Appears to be Out of Control", News Article by United Nations Integrated Regional Information Networks, UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Nairobi, 14 May 2004.

[5]. "The Escalating Crisis in Darfur", News Article by Integrated Regional Information Network, UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Nairobi, 31 December 2003.

[6]. "Pressure Seen as Key to Ending Sudan's Western War", News Article by Reuters, 28 January 2004.

[7]. "War in Western Sudan Overshadows Peace in the South", 'The New York Times', 17 January 2004.

[8] "Sudan and Chad Agree to Disarm Militias", News Article by Reuters, 23 June 2004.

[9]. "The Last Straw", Al-Haram Weekly (Cairo), Issue No. 686, 15 - 21 April 2004.

[10]. See, for example, "Janjawid Militia in Darfur Appears to be out of Control", News Article by Integrated Regional Information Network, UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Nairobi, 14 May 2004.

[11]. "Janjawid Militia in Western Sudan Appears to be Out of Control", News Article by United Nations Integrated Regional Information Network, UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Nairobi, 14 May 2004.

[12]. "Chadian Soldiers Kill 69 Sudanese Arab Militiamen", News Article by Associated Press, 18 June 2004.

[13]. "Special Report II: Chad And the Darfur Conflict", News Article by UN Integrated Regional Information Networks, UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Nairobi, 16 February 2004.

[14]. "Janjawid Militia in Western Sudan Appears to be Out of Control", News Article by United Nations Integrated Regional Information Network, UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Nairobi, 14 May 2004.

[15]. "Janjawid Militia in Western Sudan Appears to be Out of Control", News Article by United Nations Integrated Regional Information Network, UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Nairobi, 14 May 2004.

[16]. "Sudan's President Orders Darfur Crackdown on Armed Groups, Including Militia", News Article by Agence France Presse, 19 June 2004.

[17]. "Sudan and Chad Agree to Disarm Militias", News Article by Reuters, 23 June 2004.

[18]. See, for example "Sudan, US Agree to Crush Militia", News Article by 'Sudan Vision' (Khartoum), 1 July 2004.

[19]. "Court Sentences 24 to Death for Killing 35 People in Tribal Raid", News Article by Associated Press, 27 April 2003.

[20]. "Sudan Sentences 14 to Death for Arson in Turbulent Western Province", News Article by Agence France Presse, 16 October 2003.

[21]. "State of Emergency After Southern Darfur Tribal Clashes", News Article by Integrated Regional Information Network, UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Nairobi, 22 May 2002.

[22]. "Sudan: Urgent Call for Commission of Inquiry in Darfur as Situation Deteriorates", Press Release by Amnesty International, 21 February 2003.

[23]. "Khartoum Stepping Up Arrests in Strife-Torn Darfur: Amnesty", News Article by Agence France Presse, 6 August 2003.

[24]. See, for example, "Sudan: State of Emergency after Southern Darfur Tribal Clashes", News Article by Integrated Regional Information Network, UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, Nairobi, 22 May 2002.

[25]. See, for example, "Sudan: Alarming Increase in Executions in Darfur Region", Press Release by Amnesty International, London, 28 June 2002.

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Ravenhawk

Date: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:06 am
Subject: Vietnam, Sudan: New Threats of Yankee War!

Vietnam, Sudan:

new threats of Yankee war!

The lesson of Iraq, where the arrogant Yankee power is getting stuck faced with the pugnacity of the ba' athist Resistance, should not be sufficient to bring the Washington hawks back to reason.

Because the Yankee imperialism prepares for new neo-colonial aggressions!

In Vietnam, where three decades after the imperialist war which devastated the country, Washington again attacks a martyred Nation, which did not recover yet from the criminal policy followed by the Pentagon, which there had largely used chemical weapons, including the famous "orange Agent".

In Sudan, where the civil war which tears this Arab state, allows that one plays us again the old well-worn air which was so useful against Yugoslavia in 1999, in connection with the Serb province of Kosovo-Metohije, on the basis of pseudo "genocide" and other "ethnic cleansing ".

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In the United States, the House of Representatives indeed approved, last 19 July, a warmonger bill, one more: the "Vietnam Human Rights Act". The purpose of this text, of which the author is the Republican Christopher Smith, vice-president of the Committee on foreign relations of the Congress, is "to accelerate the process of democratization in Vietnam " (sic). It is acted in fact, to impose on this country financial sanctions like the prohibition of the non humaninatarian assistance, whose amount currently rises to 40 million dollars. An aid which comes in fact in moral compensation for the American crimes at the time of the war of the Years 60-70, which aimed at preventing the liberation and the unification of the Vietnamese Nation.

As in Yugoslavia or Iraq yesterday, as in Syria or Libya today, the economic sanctions are an instrument of war intended to destroy a political system opposed to the USA.

And here also, these sanctions are accompanied by measures of financing intended to set up a puppet opposition prostituted to the Americans, by the granting of "an envelope of 4 million dollars to the Vietnamese organizations residing abroad and associations which seek to promote the democracy in Vietnam ", as specified by the daily newspaper LAO DONG.

Washington strikes Vietnam whereas it did not repair yet the damage which it inflicted to these martyred people. At the moment when Washington gives lessons of morality, the current events indeed point out to us the atrocities of the chemical Yankee war in Indo-China : newspaper LAO DONG reports that "three Vietnamese victims suffering from an intoxication to dioxane related to a chemical weapon used by the American army during the Vietnam war sue before the American justice the multinationals responsible for the development of this weapon, a defoliant known under the name of" orange agent ". Let us recall that the orange agent killed several hundreds of thousands of people, and approximately 3 million Vietnameses would have been affected by dioxane.

If prompt to require repairs – that one remembers Libya -, the USA is conversely not very inclined to pay for its crimes. In 2001, the United States and Vietnam concluded an agreement to begin joint scientific research. But the Americans systematically avoided the debate about the compensation of the Vietnamese victims.

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In Sudan, it is the civil war which divides in an endemic way this country, an Arab and Moslem State, but whose South shelters a strong Christian minority, since four decades, which the Yankees are on the point of serving as a pretext for their intervention.

The UN, which one will never denounce enough its control and instrumentalisation by the USA, claims that the Sudanese province of Darfur undergoes the "worst current humanitarian crisis in the world", which would be caused by the conflict between pro-government Arab militia – the Janjaweed militia — and two local rebellions, which denounce the "marginalisation " of their region.

But, the Sudanese minister Mustafa Osman disputes that the conflict opposes Moslem Arabs and Blacks. Moreover, the Sudanese authorities contradicted that a genocide is under way in the Western region of Darfur.

A few days ago however, the Congress of the United States adopted a Resolution denouncing a "genocide perpetrated by Arab militia against the black population".

In reaction to this Resolution, Mustafa Osman Ismaïl, the head of the Sudanese diplomacy, recalled that, for the African Union, it is by no means about a genocide and that "serious efforts " to rectify the situation were made, allowing to obtain progress in matters of safety and humanitarian aid: "More than one hundred members of the Janjaweed militia were stopped ", he ensures "what we do is right, and we will continue to do it." Thierry Allafort-Duverger, of MSF, in a discussion with LE FIGARO, precises as for him that it is about " a humanitarian drama but not a genocide ". He adds that "the reasons which pushed the American MP’s are delicate and there are undoubtedly reasons of domestic policy. For us, by looking at the analyses and the facts, there is no genocide under way in Darfur. There is tendency nowadays to overuse this term and a propagandist distortion is taking place which can only harm the aid ".

However, since mid-July, the Western capitals increased the pressure on Khartoum, referring to the possibility of a military intervention to face the humanitarian situation in Darfur. Great Britain and Australia – the faithful Anglo-Saxon servants of Washington - declared themselves ready to send troops.

The Foreign Ministers of the European Union, once more a satellite of Washington, meeting this 26 July in Brussels, "invited UNO to hold up the threat of sanctions if Khartoum quickly does not fulfill its obligations to disarm the militia accused of perpetrating exactions in Darfur ".

In spite of this threat, Sudan required of the Libyan number one, colonel Moammar Gaddafi, who became the wise man of Africa and the specialist in the resolution of this kind of conflicts on the black continent, to sponsor peace negotiations on Darfur. However, the two rebellious groups of Darfur, the MJE and the MLS, left the Ethiopian capital after their refusal to start direct negotiations as long as the Sudanese government will not have agreed to concretize their requests, in particular related on the demilitarization of Darfur and the bringing of the war criminals before the courts.

Libya, spearhead of the African Unity and independence, is "hostile to any non African military presence in Darfur ", as has just pointed out the head of the Libyan diplomacy Abdelrahmane Chalgham. Darfur, let us specify, is a Sudanese frontier region of Libya.

Abdelrahmane Chalgham stated that the crisis of Darfur was "very dangerous " and criticized "the escalation in the American and Western speeches " about this region. "We refuse any foreign military presence over there (in Darfur), out of the framework of the African Union (AU) ", as said Mr. Chalgham at the time of a press conference in Tripoli, informing that a deployment of foreign troops in this region would make the situation "explosive ". He added to have said to the assistant of the Sudanese President Omar Al-Bechir, Mubarak Al-Fadil Al-Mahdi, that it "is for the African Union to play a central role in (a regulation of) the crisis "..

Observers of the AU are already deployed in the region of Darfur, which covers three States of the Sudanese west, to supervise the fragile cease-fire concluded by the belligerents. The AU had sponsored negotiations in Addis Ababa between Khartoum and the rebels of Darfur, but the belligerents separated on July 18 without result.

A Western intervention would amount to send not firemen but arsonists. A situation already seen in Kosovo since 1999.

In the backdrop of the Darfur crisis , there is the American presidential election. "In full election campaign, George Bush cannot let himself show indifference" points out LE FIGARO, this is why the Bush administration, submissive to the pressure of the Congress, which adopted unanimously, last week, a Resolution qualifying of "genocide" the atrocities done in Darfur against the civil population, is prepared to act, including, possibly, in a "unilateral" way. "

But the Sudanese crisis, artificially exaggerated by Washington and its political servants and Western media, is not explained solely by the gesticulations caused by the American presidential election.

It has also and especially as a backdrop Oil, the mining wealth of Sudan and the threatened interests of Western multinationals.

As the "Communist Party of Sudan " pointed out recently in a statement: "export of oil, gold and other ores made of Sudan one of the regions where takes place an international conflict of which oil and other raw material are the issue. American monopolies saw with concern the entry of China and Malaysia on the Sudanese oil market , which was previously dominated by the American society Chevron . After the events of September 11, 2001 and the participation of the government of the national Islamic Front with the American war "against terrorism", the American monopolies prepare to turn over towards the Sudanese market . That belongs to their plan of domination of African oil , from Chad to Angola, while passing by the Great Lakes. It is why the United States took the initiative to stop the war in Sudan and to stabilize the oil region in the south of our country. The "democracy " and " democratic reforms" were only a matter of second order. The United States has its interests and its calculations. Our people has its interests ".

As everywhere else, the Yankee imperialism obtains for legitimate answer a toughening from Sudan. Faced with the American neocolonial rapacity, Khartoum is also mobilized to resist a foreign intervention.

Sudan issued the "political and strategic " general mobilization in all the bodies of the state, by affirming that it intended to resist any attempt at intervention of international forces in Darfur (western Sudan), announced on this 27 July a Sudanese minister.

"the government decided to issue the political and strategic general mobilization of all the institutions ", stated the Minister for Agriculture and head of the delegation to the negotiations with the rebels of Darfur, Majzub Al-Khalifa Ahmed, at the end of an extraordinary meeting of the Sudanese government "the government in addition decided to resist with force all the Resolutions calling the sending of international troops to Darfur ". "From now on, the government will harden its position against any foreign intervention in Darfur ", continued the Sudanese minister. He informed that the "government will treat in a suitable way any (foreign) soldier who will put the foot in Sudan ", adding that the mobilization will start with meetings with the political parties, "as well the allies as the opponents, in order to unify the interior front ".

The general mobilization will include demonstrations of protest against a possible foreign intervention, also said Mr. Ahmed.

The American Congress cynically tries to exploit the crisis for domestic political and electoral objectives, while calling with a direct military intervention. The American government, intends to prepare a new oil war . One can thus fear that Washington does not hesitate to strike militarily an Arab State again.

Luc MICHEL

(Sources: LE FIGARO, DE STANDAARD, JANA, AFP, REUTERS)

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"Love the people, serve them and become a part of them."--Leila Khaled ('My People Shall Live')

"The fact that imperialists and the traitors to the revolution viciously defame the leaders of the working class and abuse their leadership as "dictatorship" or " infringement on human rights" only proves that the leaders of the working class were zealous champions of the people's interest and enjoyed their trust and support, and that they were steadfast communist revolutionaries who held fast to the revolutionary principle without compromising with the enemies of the revolution."
-- Marshal Kim Jong Il

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foppe37 · Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:16 am Post subject:

The IDF holds the opinion - also found in the recently published memoirs of former U.S. President Bill Clinton and of U.S. special Middle East envoy Dennis Ross - that Israel is at fault for the failure of the talks with the Syrians at Shepherdstown, West Virginia, in January 2000, and that at that time it would have been possible to reach an agreement with Hafez Assad, the father of the current president.

Last weekend Ya'alon did something else that raised eyebrows in the Arab world as well.
He told Yaron London in an interview for Hebrew-language daily Yedioth Ahronoth that if the political leadership reaches a peace agreement Syria in which it gives up the Golan Heights, the IDF will be able to defend Israel without the Golan.

That is the opposite of what Shimon Peres was told when he took over as prime minister and defense minister in 1995.

At that time, the IDF told him that if war with Syria were to break out when the Golan was not under Israeli control, we would find ourselves in a gritty fight in the Galilee panhandle.
In other words, Peres received an indirect recommendation not to give up the Golan.

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