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JINSA Zionist Jews Arranging New Regime of US Occupied Iraq

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JINSA Zionist Jews Arranging New Regime of US Occupied Iraq


JINSA Zionist Extremist Jews of Douglas Feith (who believes in a greater Israel and helped sabotage the Oslo Peace Accords with his Likud cronies in Israel) and Marc Grossman are setting up the new (Israeli friendly) regime of US occupied Iraq (this is absolutely incredible how these Zionist extremist Jews are being allowed to set up a regime of their pleasure in US occupied Iraq as this should understandably infuriate the most if not all of Arab/Muslim world)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,1-3-580674,00.html

February 17, 2003

Retired American general will run a postwar Iraq
From James Bone in New York



THE Bush Administration, pressing forward with plans for war despite increasing public protest, has picked a retired US Army general and friend of Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, to replace President Saddam Hussein in Iraq, The Times has learnt. Lieutenant-General Jay Garner, who led Operation Provide Comfort to help fleeing Kurds at the end of the last Gulf War, is in line to become the US military governor in Iraq, sources say. A former Vice-Chief of US Army Staff, General Garner, 64, was appointed recently to head a new Pentagon office for postwar planning that has become a virtual “government-in-waiting”. The US has backed away from establishing a United Nations-run administration in Iraq — favoured by Britain — because of the divisions in the Security Council over the war. Colin Powell, the Secretary of State, told Congress last week that a post-Saddam Iraq would be run by a US general for at least two years, using many of the bureaucrats who administer the country now. “The plans we are looking at include using the institutions that are there,” General Powell told the House International Relations Committee. “There is a nation there. What it has is rotten leadership.” Lieutenant-General Garner was appointed last month to head a new Pentagon Office of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance, which would be deployed en masse to Iraq after an invasion. Douglas Feith, the Under-Secretary for Defence Policy, told Congress last week that he considered Lieutenant-General Garner’s unit, staffed by officials from various departments, to be an “expeditionary office”. Mr Feith, an influential hawk in the Bush Administration, said that the postwar planning office brought together task forces on humanitarian relief, reconstruction, the elimination of weapons of mass destruction and the vetting of existing Iraqi officials. “Major Iraqi governmental institutions, such as government ministries, could remain and perform the key functions of government after the vetting of top personnel,” He told Congress. “Town and district elections could be held soon after liberation to involve Iraqis in governing at the local level.” Marc Grossman, UnderSecretary of State for Political Affairs, told Congress that Washington envisaged three phases. In the first the “interim coalition military administration” will try to establish security and order. There will then be a “transition”, during which authority is progressively transferred to Iraqi institutions. The final stage will happen when Iraq has decided on a constitution, held an election and become a “normal country.”

Forwarded:

Zionist Extremist JINSA Group in Bush Regime Pushing Iraq Attack (and then Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Saudi Arabia):

http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=332011

Included below is that "Men from JINSA and CSP" article from "The Nation" magazine which Mr. Fisk mentions in his article referenced above (Douglas Feith is mentioned in this "Men from JINSA and CSP" article):

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&s=vest&c=1

Robert Fisk: The case against war: A conflict driven by the self-interest of America

http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=378428

AMERICA ORDERS 100,000 BODY BAGS:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12624416&method=full&siteid=50143

JINSA Zionist Planned Iraq 'Regime Change' before Bush Presidency:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/31/bush-planned-iraq-regime-change-before-becoming-president.php

'Axis of Evil':

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uk-and-europe/2003/02/20/the-axis-of-evil.php

Israel's Proxy War:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/18/israel-s-proxy-war.php

What does the Bush Imperial Maffia Really Want?:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uk-and-europe/2003/02/18/what-does-the-bush-imperial-maffia-really-want.php

PNAC Group: The List of Players:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/31/pnac-group-the-list-of-players.php

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uk-and-europe/2003/01/31/pnac-group-the-list-of-players.php


Rumfeld and Bush's Iraq War Plan Formulated in 1998:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/21/rumsfeld-bush-s-iraq-war-plan-formulated-in-1998.php


War on Iraq: Conceived in Israel:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/10/the-war-on-iraq-conceived-in-israel.php


We'll deal with Syria, Iran after Iraq War - says JINSA Zionist John Bolton (who is at the US Department of State):

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/17/we-ll-deal-with-syria-iran-after-iraq-war-john-bolton.php

Kurdish Leaders Enraged by 'Undemocratic' American Plan to Occupy Iraq:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=379060

JINSA Zionist Extremists at Pentagon to Control Iraq:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/04/radical-jinsa-zionists-at-pentagon-to-control-iraq.php


Israeli sources say war imminent; Iran and Syria next:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/15/israeli-sources-say-war-imminent-iran-and-syria-next.php


The JINSA Zionist extremist cabal (of Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Doug Feith, Elliott Abrams, and John Bolton) has hijacked the Bush regime and is pushing US to its coming war on Islam (beginning with the invasion of Iraq) for greater Israel and oil (Robert Fisk of the London Independent mentions in the following article that Dick Cheney was on the board of advisors for JINSA before becoming Vice President and helped put the other JINSA Zionist extremists into power in the current Bush regime):

Zionist JINSA Group in Bush Regime Pushing Iraq Attack:

http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=332011


Included below is that "Men from JINSA and CSP" article from "The Nation" magazine which Mr. Fisk mentions in his article referenced above:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&s=vest&c=1

The Men From JINSA and CSP

by JASON VEST

[from the September 2, 2002 issue of "The Nation" magazine in the USA]


This Zionist extremist agenda of JINSA (which is pushing for the US to attack Iraq and then Iran, Syria and North Korea) is confirmed by what JINSAN John Bolton mentioned in Israel today (according to what is mentioned in the Israeli Haaretz newspaper article which can be accessed via the following URL):

We'll deal with Syria, Iran after Iraq war - John Bolton:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/17/we-ll-deal-with-syria-iran-after-iraq-war-john-bolton.php


Forwarded:

JINSA Zionist Extremists to have US Military Occupy Iraq for Years...

I just read in the article (included below) that the JINSA Zionist extremist ("Israel Firster") cabal (of Doug Feith and company in the Bush regime) has not even given much thought to the occupation of Iraq as they are planning to have US forces remain in Iraq for years (how is the US government going to afford that?!).

The Pentagon has already sent 100,000 body bags and 6,000 coffins for expected US casualities as a result of the coming invasion of Iraq, so the Bush regime is obviously expecting mass US casualities ( the latest New York Times poll conveys that only 45 percent of the US public supports an invasion of Iraq if mass US casualities result, and we all saw the "Blackhawk Down" film about US troops in Somalia).

http://www.maxlogan.com/the_nation.htm#The%20Whole%20World%20is%20Against%20This%20War.

Bush's Presidential Malpractice

by David Corn

If a doctor handed you a strong medication--saying you had no choice but to swallow it--but didn't talk to you about the host of new ailments and problems that might be caused by the medication, that would be damn irresponsible. Well, meet George W. Bush, M.D. He has been claiming the United States must take the most extreme measure--war--to keep itself safe and healthy. Yet he has refused to address the knotty matters (post-op complications?) that will follow in the wake of war.

This dereliction of duty--or presidential malpractice--was readily evident on Tuesday when top administration officials appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to discuss the future of Iraq. (Looks like its present has been settled: invasion and occupation, unless Saddam Hussein scoots.) At this session, under-Secretary of Defense Douglas Feith noted that while the Pentagon has spent months positioning troops and readying to de-Saddamize Iraq, it only opened an office for postwar planning three weeks ago. At the same hearing, Feith and under-Secretary of State Marc Grossman said there would be at least a two-year US military occupation of Iraq following an invasion. So with the game plan war and occupation--and the Bush administration has been considering taking over Iraq since September 12, 2001--the Pentagon managed to get serious about planning for the post-invasion period merely a month or so before, it seems, the invasion is to come. (The duo did claim that the Pentagon had been thinking about postwar matters for ten months.)

With Feith's and Grossman's testimony, the administration has acknowledged it intends to rule Iraq for quite a while after the war. (Their two-year estimate may be quite optimistic. One former US ambassador quips there are two possible occupation scenarios. Plane One is an occupation that lasts for ten years. Plan Two is an occupation that is supposed to last for five years, but goes on for ten.) So then, how does the Bush White House intend to install (eventually) a democratic government? (Remember this war is also for the liberation of the Iraqi people, as soon as the United States decides it's time for its occupation to end.) How will the US manage the oil industry of Iraq? Who will pay for the construction costs? Who will feed the Iraqi people, most of whom now rely on the Iraqi government for their food supply? "There are enormous uncertainties," Feith said. "The most you can do in planning is develop concepts." Actually, in planning, you can develop plans--hire staff, call in experts, consult with multilateral outfits and aid organizations, and begin drafting proposals. These plans may end up not working. They may have to change. But you can give it a go and, at least, establish a baseline. For his part Grossman observed, "How this transition will take place is perhaps opaque at the moment." From the fog of war to the fog of postwar.

The senators were perturbed. Joe Biden, the ranking Democrat on the committee, pushed the pair for information on how a transitional government would be kick-started following an invasion. After receiving an insufficient response, he exclaimed (Biden is quite good at exclaiming), "When we're three weeks away from war or five weeks away from war, possibly, you don't know the answer to that? You haven't made a decision yet?" Note to Biden: don't forget you voted to give Bush the right to invade Iraq whenever he deems appropriate, without having to obtain a declaration of war from Congress (or present a workable, confidence-building plan to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee). Grossman, though, did concede that the financial costs of whatever comes in Iraq will be high: "There are things in our own country we're not going to be able to do because of our commitment in Iraq." Somehow that point was not covered in the budget Bush recently submitted to Congress. A printing error? The President is already squeezing domestic spending on such things as heating assistance for low-income Americans while pushing for a variety-pack of tax changes benefiting the well-heeled. And he refused to leave any space in his budget for a war, let alone the potentially more costly occupation.

By the end of the hearing, perturbance had transitioned into dismay. Richard Lugar, the mild-mannered Republican chairman, woefully commented, "What we have heard is not good enough; we are way behind. Who will rule Iraq and how? Who will provide security? How long might US troops conceivably remain? Will the United Nations have a role? Who will manage Iraq's oil resource? Unless the administration can answer these questions in detail, the anxiety of Arab and European governments, as well as that of the American public...will only grow."

It wasn't just the specifics-free presentations of Feith and Grossman that was worrisome. Retired General Anthony Zinni, former head of US Central Command, raised questions that ought to provoke pause. Zinni has been a war-skeptic, one of the leading ex-military voices against striking Iraq, maintaining that Saddam is not an imminent threat, that he is "very well checked," and that now is "the worst time to take this on." (The ranks of this platoon thinned last weekend when former General Norman Schwarzkopf of Gulf War I--who had not, long before, shared his heartfelt opposition to US military action in Iraq with The Washington Post--pulled a quick retreat on Meet The Press perhaps after having heard from the Bush clan.) Zinni, once in charge of humanitarian and peacekeeping operations in northern Iraq, Somalia, and Bosnia, knows his postwar stuff. And in his testimony to the committee, he made a few eloquent and troubling points.

"In addressing the issues that might be faced in a post-conflict Iraq, the first question that has to be answered deals with the end state envisioned or desired," Zinni said. "Do we want to transform Iraq or just transition it out from under the unacceptable regime of Saddam Hussein into a reasonably stable nation? Transformation implies significant changes in forms of governance, in economic policies, in regional status, in security structure, and in other areas. Without a determination of the scale and scope of change desired, it is not possible to judge the cost and level of effort required. Certainly, there will not be a spontaneous democracy so the reconstruction of the country will be a long, hard course regardless of whether a modest vision of the end state is sought or a more ambitious one is chosen."

So is it transition or transformation? The President hasn't said which. Nor has the Secretary of State Colin Powell. Nor has Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld (the often acting-Secretary of State). Feith and Grossman didn't supply any illumination. But doesn't the public--which will pay for the war and occupation in all ways--deserve to know which vision Bush embraces? Or if he even has one?

Zinni, in a polite but unflinching fashion, noted that he, too, considers the Bush administration unprepared for the post-battle battle. "A lot of thought has been given to the kinds of problems and tasks that we will face in the aftermath," he testified. "I have read several recent studies and pieces produced by groups of knowledgeable people. Generally, these works have, in my opinion, captured the broad requirements and the issues very well. Defining the problem, however, is only half the task. The other half deals with how you solve the problem. I have not seen a lot of specifics in this area." And it's his job, as an armchair-thinker at the Center for Strategic and international Studies, to locate and evaluate such specifics. Yet they're not out there. One example: Zinni said that six out of ten Iraqis depend on the "oil for food" program managed by 40,000 feeding stations run by Saddam's government. No one in the Bush administration, he added, knows if this program can continue to function after an invasion. If not, there will be millions of Iraqis without food. Will the US proconsul in Iraq be ready to feed 12 million or so people? "Who's going to do it?" Zinni asked. "Where are they? You know, if you have hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground formed up into divisions and wings and ask forces at sea, where is the counterpart to these on the other [humanitarian, political, and economic] sides? It isn't going to be a handful of people that drive out of the Pentagon, catch a plane and fly in after the military peace to try to pull this together."

Maybe it will be. This war is not about what comes next. And Bush is not keen to tell the American people what might happen after he "disarms" Saddam. In some instances, a threat may be so pressing that a nation does not have time to consider what is likely to occur after it acts to neutralize that danger. (War boosters like to pooh-pooh war critics who fret over postwar consequences by noting that when the United States entered World War II there were no plans other than those for victory.) But the Bush administration has had many months to consider--and openly discuss--a postwar Iraq, as well as the financial and security costs of maintaining a US military occupation for years. And it has not leveled with the public. In his bellicose speeches, does Bush ever say, "You know, the American people should realize that we may have to stay involved and run Iraq for a number of years and that we will pay for this noble endeavor with higher taxes, diminished services, and/or larger budget deficits. But to protect us and our children and our grandchildren, that's what we need to do"? Such words would give Karl Rove a stroke.

If Iraq is not poised to strike--or to enable another party to strike--the United States, the decision to go to war can be weighed judiciously. Such a deliberation ought to take into account possible consequences and costs. They may not determine the ultimate judgment, but they should to be in plain view. Yet Bush has not been candid. Informed consent is not part of his prewar plan.

And what is the Arab/Muslim world going to think when it confirms that these nefarious (scheming) JINSA Zionist extremists (like Doug Feith and company in the Bush regime) have designs on occupying Iraq for years (for Israel's benefit) as mentioned above:

What Does the Bush Imperial Maffia Really Want?


by William Blum

Which is the more remarkable -- that the United States can openly
announce to the world its determination to invade a sovereign nation and
overthrow its government in the absence of any attack or threat of attack
from the intended target? Or that for an entire year the world has been
striving to figure out what the superpower's real intentions are?
There are of course those who accept at face value Washington's stated
motivations of "liberating" the people of Iraq from a dictatorship and
bestowing upon them a full measure of democracy, freedom and other eternal
joys fit for American schoolbooks. In light of a century of
well-documented US foreign policy which reveals a virtually complete absence
of such motivations, along with repeated opposite consequences, we can
dispense with this attempt by Washington to win hearts and mindless.
Presented here are some reflections about several of the causes that make
the hearts of the imperial mafia beat faster in regard to Iraq, which may be
helpful in arguing the anti-war point of view:
Expansion of the American Empire: adding more military bases and
communications listening stations to the Pentagon's portfolio, setting up a
command post from which to better monitor, control and intimidate the rest of
the Middle East.
Idealism: remaking the world in what the true believers see as America's
image, with free enterprise and Judeo-Christianity as core elements; here is
Michael Ledeen, former Reagan official, now at the American Enterprise
Institute (one of the leading drum-beaters for attacking Iraq): "If we just
let our own vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we
don't try to be clever and piece together clever diplomatic solutions to this
thing, but just wage a total war against these tyrants, I think we will do
very well, and our children will sing great songs about us years from now."
Oil: the sine qua non of Middle East policy, yesterday, today and
tomorrow; to be in full control of Iraq's vast reserves, with Saudi oil and
Iranian oil waiting defenselessly next door; OPEC will be stripped of its
independence from Washington and will no longer think about replacing the
dollar with the Euro as its official currency; oil-dependent Europe may think
twice next time about being so uppity.
Globalization: Once relative security over the land, people and
institutions has been established, the transnational corporations will march
into Iraq ready to privatize everything at fire-sale prices, followed closely
by the IMF, World Bank, World Trade Organization and the rest of the
international financial extortionists.
Arms industry: As with each of America's endless wars, military
manufacturers will rake in their exorbitant profits, then deliver their
generous political contributions, inspiring Washington leaders to yet further
warfare, each war also being the opportunity to test new weapons.
Israel: The men driving Bush to war include long-time militant supporters
of Israel, such as Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Douglas Feith, who,
along with the rest of the powerful Israeli lobby, have advocated smashing
Iraq for years. Israel has been playing a key role in the American military
buildup to the war. Besides getting rid of its arch enemy, Israel could use
the opportunity to carry out its final solution to the Palestinian question
-- transferring them to Jordan, (liberated) Iraq, and anywhere else that
expanded US hegemony in the Middle East will allow. Iraq's abundant water
could be diverted to relieve a parched Israel.

Written by William Blum, author of "Killing Hope: US Military and CIA
Interventions Since World War II" and "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's
Only Superpower" -- www.killinghope.org

Israel's Proxy War?:

http://www.mediamonitors.net/mshahidalam1.html

Kurdish Leaders Enraged by 'Undemocratic' American Plan to Occupy Iraq (I haven't seen this story discussed by any of the pro-Israel biased press/media yet in the USA, and I have telephoned and emailed many contacts about it):

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=379060

JINSA Zionist Extremists at Pentagon to Control Iraq:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/04/radical-jinsa-zionists-at-pentagon-to-control-iraq.php

War on Iraq: Conceived in Israel:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/10/the-war-on-iraq-conceived-in-israel.php

JINSA Zionist Planned Iraq 'Regime Change' before Bush Presidency:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/31/bush-planned-iraq-regime-change-before-becoming-president.php

Israeli sources say war imminent; Iran and Syria next:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/15/israeli-sources-say-war-imminent-iran-and-syria-next.php

Washington's Zionist Chicken Hawks to Reshape Mid East for Israel:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/10/25/washington-s-zionist-hawks-to-reshape-mid-east-for-israel.php

JINSA Zionist Extremist Richard Perle Does Not Speak for the Majority of Americans:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/05/every-patriotic-american-needs-to-access-this.php

John Pilger: Urgency of Saving Lives:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uk-and-europe/2003/02/16/john-pilger-urgency-of-saving-lives.php

The Threat of "Transfer" (Ethnic Cleansing) in Israel and Palestine:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/15/the-threat-of-transfer-in-israel-and-palestine.php


TOO MANY SMOKING GUNS TO IGNORE: ISRAEL, US JEWS, IRAQ:


http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/28/too-many-smoking-guns-to-ignore-israel-us-jews-iraq.php


UN REMARKS by Foreign Affairs Ministers of Syria and France (especially comments by Syria about US/UN double standard in not enforcing paragraph 14 of UN Security Council Resolution 687 against Israeli weapons of mass destruction as well):

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/14/un-remarks-by-foreign-affairs-ministers-of-syria-and-france.php

Iraqi Ambassador: UN/US Double Standard with Israeli Nuclear Weapons:

The UN (US) double standard for Israel with paragraph 14 of UN Security Council Resolution 687 against Iraq (which calls for the Middle East to be a zone free of weapons of mass destruction as mentioned below by the Iraqi UN Ambassador) is completely unjust (especially when it comes to Israeli weapons of mass destruction):


Iraq Turns Spotlight on Israel at U.N. Arms Body:


http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/31/iraq-turns-spotlight-on-israel-at-u-n-arms-body.php


The Return of Zionist Extremist Elliott Abrams:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/04/return-of-zionist-extremist-elliott-abrams.php

We'll give UN inspectors more time, says Blair:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=378501

Israeli Spy Rumors Fly on Gusts of Truth with 9/11:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/16/israeli-spy-rumors-fly-on-gusts-of-truth-with-9-11.php

HISTORY MADE AS MORE THAN A MILLION MARCH FOR PEACE:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12646938&method=full&siteid=50143

http://www.maxlogan.com/the_nation.htm#The%20Whole%20World%20is%20Against%20This%20War.

"The Whole World is Against This War."

by John Nichols

"The whole world is against this war. Only one person wants it," declared South African teenager Bilqees Gamieldien as she joined a Cape Town antiwar demonstration on a weekend when it did indeed seem that the whole world was dissenting from George W. Bush's push for war with Iraq.

Millions of protesters marched into the streets of cities from Tokyo to Tel Aviv to Toronto and Bush's home state of Texas to deliver a message expressed by the Rev. Jesse Jackson to a crowd of more than one million in London: "It's not too late to stop this war."

Crowd estimates for demonstrations of the kind being seen this weekend are always a source of controversy, especially when nervous politicians -- like British Prime Minister Tony Blair -- try to convince journalists and the public to dismiss the significance of the protests even before they begin. But, faced with a historic show of dissent, even the constantly spinning Blair had to acknowledge that the cost for his unwavering support of the Bush administration on Iraq is turning out to be "unpopular" in his own land.

Britain's Guardian newspaper described the London march as the largest peace demonstration in the country's history. The headline on Sunday morning's Observer newspaper read, "One million. And still they came," and announced that the "massive turnout surpassed the organizers' wildest expectations and Tony Blair's worst fears." Organizers of the British march estimated that as many as 1.5 million were cheering as London Mayor Ken Livingstone told the crowd, "So let everyone recognize what has happened here today: that Britain does not support this war for oil. The British people will not tolerate being used to prop up the most corrupt and racist American administration in over 80 years."

German police said 500,000 marched in Berlin, while organizers put the number considerably higher. In Rome, an estimated one million marched on a day when newspapers reported that polls show 85 percent of Italians do not support a war to disarm Iraq. Organizers put the size of the Madrid crowd at 600,000, while city officials said as many as 1.3 million took to the streets in Barcelona. At least 300,000 people gathered in cities across France.

The protests spread around the globe, to Canada and Mexico, to Austria, Bosnia, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Cyprus, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, the Netherlands and Russia, and to Bahrain, Bangladesh, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Iraq, South Korea Thailand.

New York's streets were jammed by a crowd that stretched 20 blocks down the city's First Avenue and overflowing onto Second and Third avenues. Estimates of the actual turnout varied wildly, but it seemed reasonable to suggest that at least 300,000 protesters converged for the midtown rally site where Archbishop Desmond Tutu, actors Susan Sarandon and Danny Glover, singers Pete Seeger and Harry Belafonte and US Rep. Dennis Kucinich appeared. "Peace! Peace!" shouted Tutu. "Let America listen to the rest of the world -- and the rest of the world is saying: 'Give the inspectors time.'"

Among those expressing opposition to plans for war was Adele Welty, whose son, Timothy, was a firefighter killed in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. "Timothy was at the World Trade Center on September 11 to save lives," said Welty. "I don't feel that he would sanction innocent lives either in this country or in Iraq being shed in his name."

The larger-than-expected crowds that rallied around the world fed a renewed confidence among peace activists that the message of signs carried at one of the weekend's first rallies -- in Auckland, New Zealand -- might yet turn out to be right: "We can stop this war."

As yachting's America's Cup opened Saturday in that New Zealand city, a plane chartered by Greenpeace circled over the harbor pulling a huge banner with the words: "No War, Peace Now."

"Bugga off bully boy Bush" was the chant on the streets of Auckland as thousands of anti-war demonstrators proudly launched a weekend of protests. "Millions of people around the world are rallying today to say no to war and New Zealand is the first country to send this message," said Greenpeace's Robbie Kelman. "Countries like New Zealand must add their weight to efforts for a peaceful solution to this crisis."

The point of the global protests, according to Kucinich, the co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus who will travel to Iowa this week to launch a bid for the Democratic presidential race as an explicitly anti-war candidate, was to add grassroots pressure to the diplomatic push to avoid war.

Echoing the view of French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin, who successfully thwarted a Bush administration to ramp up support for war at Friday's United Nations Security Council meeting, the protests around the world argued that war is not justified at a point when evidence indicates that U.N. inspectors are making progress toward disarming Iraq.

Dramatic early evidence of global antiwar sentiment came from Australia, where an estimated 200,000 people filled the streets of Melbourne Friday to protest their government's support of US plans to attack Iraq.

"This is a huge statement by the people of Melbourne, and the people of Australia to John Howard: that he's gone the wrong way and should turn around," said Australian Senator Bob Brown, a Green, who last week led a successful effort by senators to censure Australian Prime Minister John Howard for dispatching troops to the Persian Gulf region. "The people of Australia don't see this as our war."

Organized by labor, religious and student groups, the Melbourne protest was so large that commentators were speculating on the prospect that Howard could face serious political turmoil over his decision to back US President George W. Bush's push for war with Iraq. Signs at the demonstration Friday announced that this would be "Howard's End." And Australian Senator Natasha Stott Despoja told the crowd, "It is an amazing scene here with you today in a show of solidarity to send a strong message to Prime Minister Howard and the Australian government that Australians don't want war."

The Australian demonstration was described by reporters on the scene as the largest the country has seen in more than 30 years. And it was just the beginning of an around-the-world show of opposition to moves by the US, Britain and a handful of allies to force the United Nations to effectively endorse an preemptive attack on Iraq.

More than 600 demonstrations are expected to take place in communities around the world on -- from San Francisco to New York to London to Seoul, and from Antarctica to Iceland -- by the end of the weekend mobilization. Demonstrations are expected to take place in at least 60 countries. Most of the demonstrations were peaceful, although there were skirmishes in Athens; in New York, where police attempted to prevent marchers from getting near the United Nations; and in Colorado Springs, where arrests were made after demonstrators blocked a road near an Air Force base.

The New York demonstration was one of more than 200 planned for this weekend in US cities from Augusta, Maine, to Yakima, Washington, and Wausau, Wisconsin. What was supposed to be a relatively modest Los Angeles demonstration grew so large that television reporters there were reporting breathlessly on the "massive" show of opposition to war. Actors Martin Sheen and Mike Farrell and director Rob Reiner joined a march that filled Hollywood Boulevard from curb to curb for four blocks. Police claimed 30,000 turned out, while organizers said the crowd ultimately swelled to almost 100,000.

The swelling crowd sizes at Saturday's rallies in the US led organizers of a Sunday march in San Francisco to predict that it could turn into one of the largest demonstrations that west coast city has ever seen.

While weekend demonstrators in the US and Britain were seeking to change the minds of their leaders, crowds in Germany and France were expressing support for moves by the French and German governments to block Bush administration initiatives at the UN. "Help to prevent new suffering, new destruction and new death," read a sign carried by survivors of the Allied bombing of Dresden at the close of World War II. Saturday's huge protests in Berlin mocked U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's criticisms of European war foes, with signs reading, "Old Europe is Against the War."

No leader could have felt more pressure Saturday than Britain's Blair, whose personal approval ratings have dipped dramatically as he has continued to side with Bush's position on war.

Understanding that a switch by Blair could force Bush to rethink his position, Jesse Jackson flew to London to join rock stars, actors, playwrights, former Algerian President Ahmed Ben Bella and former British parliamentarian Tony Benn, who recently traveled to Iraq to interview Saddam Hussein, for the Hyde Park rally. "Iraq is a challenge that must be put in perspective. It is not the priority that Bush and Blair have made it to be," Jackson said after arriving in London.

Among those marching with Jackson and the others was British author John Mortimer, long one of the most prominent members of Blair's Labour Party. Noting revelations that Blair's government doctored intelligence reports to create a false impression that they revealed clear and present dangers from Iraq, Mortimer said in announcing his decision to join the London demonstration: "We are being persuaded into war by lies and half truths. A secret service document, making it clear there is no evidence of a connection between Saddam and al Qaeda, is disregarded. A 10-year-old article by an undergraduate is presented, and solemnly referred to by Colin Powell as if it were the latest government report, and no effort has been made for our Government to tell the truth about it."

KUCINICH BID: US Representative Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, confirmed Sunday that he will launch an exploratory committee in preparation for a presidential bid. One of the most outspoken foes of war with Iraq in Congress, Kucinich appeared at Saturday's anti-war rally in New York and then traveled to Iowa, the first Democratic caucus state to headline a planned rally in Des Moines. A former mayor of Cleveland, Kucinich says his candidacy will be about more than just opposition to war with Iraq. But the Ohioan added that, unlike several of the other Democratic contenders, he will not hesitate to address questions of war and peace bluntly. "We need to start asking why is war considered to be an instrument of policy," argues Kucinich. "Inspections are an adequate substitute for war, diplomacy is a substitute for war, human relations are a substitute for war, and so I think that there is no case made for war."


Zionist Richard Perle : 'Inspections Or Not, We'll Attack Iraq':

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/11/24/zionist-richard-perle-inspections-or-not-we-ll-attack-iraq.php
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 9:32 am    Post subject: Oil, Dollars, Euros and Dead Iraqis

Oil, Dollars, Euros and Dead Iraqis


The above and the following conveys the connection between JINSA Zionist extremism and oil which are the combined motivation for the coming invasion of Iraq (Dick Cheney is mentioned below as he was on the board of advisors for JINSA before becoming Vice President and putting follow JINSA Zionist extremists Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle into power, and Mr. Cheney was also CEO of the Halliburton oil company which has made millions from the oil for food program in Iraq):

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1554.htm

Oil, Dollars, Euros And Dead Iraqi's By Nick Beams

US strategic concerns

Control of Middle Eastern oil resources has always been a matter of strategic concern to the United States. In his famous speech of 1947 when he initiated the Cold War and enunciated the doctrine that now goes under his name, US President Truman referred to the Middle East with its “great natural resources” as among the considerations that motivated the fight against “communism.”

In 1974-75, in the midst of the OPEC oil price hikes and the threat of extended oil embargoes, the US administration discussed the possibility of undertaking military action against oil-producing states.

With the fall of the Shah of Iran in 1979, who was installed in a CIA-backed coup against the nationalist Mossadegh government in 1953, the US became increasingly concerned about threats to its interests in the region. Accordingly, in his January 1980 State of the Union address, President Carter warned: “An attempt by an outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.” This new policy, known as the Carter doctrine, he explained was necessitated by the “overwhelming dependence of Western nations on vital oil supplies from the Middle East.”

In testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee in 1990, following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, defence secretary (now vice-president) Cheney set out the issues involved in the US-led war. “Iraq controlled 10 percent of the world’s reserves prior to the invasion of Kuwait. Once Saddam Hussein took Kuwait, he doubled that to approximately 20 percent of the world’s known oil reserves ... Once he acquired Kuwait ... he was clearly in a position to dictate the future of worldwide energy policy, and that gave him a stranglehold on our economy and on that of most of the other nations of the world as well.”

Within days of the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait, an even more blunt assessment was delivered by a “senior American official” (believed to be Secretary of State James Baker) in a comment to the New York Times: “We are talking about oil. Got it? Oil, vital American interests.”

In the period since the Gulf War, those interests have become more, not less, important as the figures on the dependence of the US economy on oil imports reveals. And the question of which corporations control the flow of oil is of vital significance, both from an economic and political standpoint.

As the American academic Michael T. Klare (author of the book Resource Wars) points out in a recent article [See Foreign Policy in Focus at http://www.fpif.org], one of the key objectives of the present US administration flows from the analysis made by Cheney in 1990. “[W]hoever controls the flow of Persian Gulf oil has a ‘stranglehold’ not only on our economy but also ‘on that of most of that of the other nations of the world as well.’ This is a powerful image, and perfectly describes the administration’s thinking about the Gulf area, except in reverse: by serving as the dominant power in the Gulf, WE maintain a ‘stranglehold’ over the economies of other nations.”

How important the maintenance of this dominance has become has been thrown into sharp relief by the recent conflicts between the US and “old Europe”—in particular France and Germany—in the recent period.

As Klare emphasises, control over Persian Gulf oil is also “consistent with the administration’s declared goal of attaining permanent military superiority over all other nations” and the need, set out in the administration’s statements on national security policy, to “prevent any rival from ever reaching the point where it could compete with the United States on something resembling equal standing.”

Oil and the US dollar In addition to the geo-political interests that operated at the time of the first Gulf War and whose importance has increased, not diminished in the intervening period, there is a powerful new reason why the US needs to ensure a “stranglehold” grip on Persian Gulf oil resources.

Various media commentators try to deny the connection between oil and the US war drive. They always insist that in the final analysis it does not matter who controls these resources since they still have to be sold on the world market where supplies will be available to the US and other purchasers.

Even assuming that the oil market operates in the way suggested (ignoring the question of boycotts, production restrictions to lift prices and other such measures) there is still another issue to be addressed—in what currency the oil contracts will be paid? And this is a question which is acquiring extreme importance for the long-term financial and economic stability of the United States.

When the Gulf War was launched in 1990, an historic transformation had recently taken place in the financial position of the US. For the first time since it became the pre-eminent capitalist power in 1914, the US had become an indebted nation. In the decade and a half since then, it has become the most indebted nation in history.

On the latest estimates, US debts to the rest of the world total more than $2.7 trillion, equivalent to more than one quarter of gross domestic product. To finance this debt, the US requires an inflow of around $2 billion per day from the rest of the world. One of the main reasons the US is able to attract such a massive inflow (amounting to around two-thirds of the international surpluses generated in the world economy) is the role played by the dollar as the central international reserve currency. It has been estimated that by the late 1990s more than four-fifths of all foreign exchange transactions and half of world exports were denominated in dollars, with dollars accounting for about two-thirds of all official currency reserves.

But the establishment of the euro by the European Union means that a potential rival has emerged on the international economic scene. At first, the continued rise of the dollar meant that the euro was not an attractive proposition. But the situation has changed with the collapse of the US share market bubble. Since the end of 2000, the dollar has fallen by more than 15 percent against the euro.

This is leading OPEC producers to consider whether, at some point in the future, it might be worth their while to shift from payments in dollars to euros. In a speech delivered in April last year, Javad Yarjani, head of OPEC’s Petroleum Market Analysis Department, noted that while in most OPEC countries would continue, in the short-term, to demand payment in dollars, OPEC “will not discount entirely the possibility of adopting euro pricing and payments in the future.”

A shift by OPEC to the euro would rapidly confront the US with an economic “nightmare scenario.” Major oil importers would need to transfer some of their funds from US dollars reserves—stocks, bonds and other assets—into euro reserves. This would see a sharp fall in the value of the dollar, possibly setting in motion a further withdrawal of funds as investors became nervous over the value of their dollar assets. Suddenly the burgeoning US debt, which at present plays little or no role in day-to-day financial calculations, would become a factor of considerable importance.

In other words, a switch in the financial basis of the oil export market, or a significant part of it, would have major consequences for the global financial position of the US, quite irrespective of whether oil was freely available or the price charged for it. However, if the US were in control of Iraqi supplies, either directly or through a puppet, it would be in a much better position to block any currency shift by the OPEC countries.

Consideration of the long-term strategic issues make clear why Washington is being driven to use military means to try to overcome the major economic problems confronting US capitalism.

Source: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/oil-f19.shtml

See Also: The Real but Unspoken Reasons for the Iraq War

Behind the Invasion of Iraq Oil, Currency and the War on Iraq
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 10:02 am    Post subject: GOP threats halted GAO Cheney suit

GOP threats halted GAO Cheney suit:


http://www.thehill.com/news/021903/cheney.aspx
Guest-400c
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 8:06 pm    Post subject: 'Axis of Poodle'

Axis of Poodle...


The governments (and supposed democracies even though the majority of each respective country's population is against the JINSA Zionist extremist driven coming war on Islam to begin with the invasion of Iraq) should be considered the "Axis of Poodle" for President Bush....

FEB. 17, 2003 (COL. 1)



DIPLOMATIC RIFFS



BY CHARLEY REESE



The diplomatic riff with Europe is about the only amusing thing that has happened in this

buildup to war with Iraq.



It's funny that the president brags about having the support of Spain, Italy, Slovenia,

Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Estonia, Bulgaria and Denmark. Those countries together couldn't

whip Iraq. They haven't played a significant military role in the past two centuries. He can

call France and Germany the ``Old Europe'' if he wants to (nobody would mistake him for being

well-informed about geopolitics anyway), but they are the powerhouses of the New Europe.



Another funny thing is the United States trying to get NATO to defend Turkey from Iraq. You

probably don't know this, but the original U.S. proposal was that the NATO countries would

agree to defend Turkey … and to help pick up the tab for rebuilding Iraq. All Europe, old and

young, said, ``No way.'' So the United States adopted the fallback provision of defending

Turkey, just so the United States can claim NATO support for its war. So far, France, Germany

and Belgium have said, ``Get out of here.''



What's funny is that Turkey isn't going to be attacked by Iraq. Iraq wouldn't dare attack

Turkey. Any time it chooses, the Turkish army could fight its way into Baghdad without any

help from NATO or us. The Turks ruled that whole part of the world for half a millennium, and

at the end of World War I, they bloodied the British and the French. They were the only

country in that area that didn't become a European colony or protectorate. The founder of

modern Turkey, Kemal Ataturk, once sent a telegram to a British politician who had said Turkey

was ruled by ``a drunk and 11-man council.'' You are wrong, Ataturk wrote, Turkey is ruled by

one drunk. Ataturk was not only a great soldier and revolutionary, but he had a sense of

humor.



The Turks don't fear Iraq. They are only going along with this ploy because they want to be

members of the European Union and think that full participation by NATO in their defense would

help them. By the same token, the United States doesn't need allies in a military sense. The

little countries of Europe are just window dressing so that President Bush can deny that a war

he wants and that our forces will fight is not ``unilateral.'' Why wouldn't this ``coalition

of the willing'' be willing, since it's not going to cost them any soldiers or equipment or

money? They are woefully short of all three. I'm sure the Bush administration has offered them

bribes in one form or another.



I'm afraid that our fearless leader has talked himself into a diplomatic hole. It's hard to

insult people and enlist them as allies at the same time. It will be hard to blame the U.N.

Security Council if he goes to war without a resolution. The whole world knows what most

Americans don't: Israel has defied more U.N. resolutions than Iraq, and it has defied them

because the United States blocks any attempt to enforce them. In other words, our claim to be

concerned about U.N. credibility is a sham. We use the United Nations if it suits our purpose

and ignore it if it doesn't. That's been true since Day One of the United Nations' existence.



On the other hand, the president, having foolishly said he would go to war with or without

the United Nations, now stands to lose credibility if he doesn't go to war. We went through

this crap in Vietnam; 58,000 Americans died to save face for politicians in Washington who in

the end stabbed them in the back. George Bush's credibility isn't worth a single American or

Iraqi life. He can say simply, ``I've changed my mind.'' That's a hell of a lot better

alternative than war.



In the meantime, he has sent exactly the opposite message from what he wanted to. He has

said to the world, you'd better arm yourself like North Korea or we'll attack you. Not a good

message.



(Write to Charley Reese at P.O. Box 2446, Orlando, FL 32802)
Guest-400c
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 8:22 pm    Post subject: "THE DON'T KNOW CROWD"

FEB. 24, 2003 (COL. 1)



THE ``DON'T KNOW'' CROWD



BY CHARLEY REESE



The Bush administration adamantly insists that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, but

despite 12 years of inspections, bombings and spying, it doesn't have a clue as to where they

are.



It frequently warns us of terror attacks, but always says it doesn't know where, when or

how. Nor have there been any terror attacks in the United States in the past 18 months.



Is it any wonder that millions of people around the world and in the United States don't

support President George Bush's personal crusade to topple Saddam Hussein? Keep in mind that after the Sept. 11 attack, which Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with, virtually the entire

world united in sympathy with us. Never has one president destroyed so much support by so many people in so short a time.



The fact is, the people in the Bush administration who want to go to war with Iraq wanted

to go to war with Iraq before Sept. 11. As a matter of fact, they wanted to go to war with

Iraq before George Bush was even elected president. That's a matter of record. This war

against Iraq has nothing to do with disarming Iraq and nothing to do with terrorism. It has to

do with the United States creating a situation in which it and Israel will dominate the Middle

East and its oil resources.



The thing to remember about these alleged weapons of mass destruction is that nobody in the

Bush administration or with the United Nations has ever laid eyes on them. What exists is a

discrepancy between two numbers in reports … both supplied by the Iraqi government. One report stated that so many chemical bombs were used; another report had a different number. And the Iraqis are certainly right in that nobody can prove a negative; you can't produce for

inspection what you don't have.



I personally don't know if these weapons exist in Iraq or not. I do know they exist in many

other countries. I do know that in the Gulf War, Iraq did not use any chemical or biological

weapons, even when it was being routed from Kuwait and ``bombed back into the preindustrial

age,'' to use an American phrase. I do know that in the 12 years since, Iraq has not used any

chemical or biological weapons, even though it has been subjected to the harshest economic

sanctions in modern history and to practically regular bombing. I do know that in the past 12

years, Iraq has not threatened, much less attacked, any of its neighbors, while during that

the same period of time we have attacked Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq and Yugoslavia. I

do know that every one of the ``neighbors'' George Bush claims Iraq is a threat to has said

repeatedly that it does not feel threatened by Iraq.



I do know that the only leader threatening the world with nuclear weapons and pre-emptive

attack is George W. Bush. It gives me no pleasure to point that out. But it is not the role of

an American citizen to be a sheep. It has become apparent that those of us who supported Bush made a mistake. I'm beginning to believe that a philanderer and a liar is less dangerous than an upright but ignorant man who thinks God has appointed him to rule the world.



The best way to support our troops is to try to prevent the Bush administration from

sacrificing their lives for the hidden agenda of the crazy neoconservatives in his

administration. Young Americans should not die because a bunch of chicken hawks have a

cockamamie idea that they can bring liberal democracy to the Middle East by making war. That's like trying to sell pork barbecue in Mecca. What the president is intent on doing is

committing a crime against humanity. If he goes through with it, he'll have to change his

ritualistic ``God bless America'' to ``God forgive us.''



(Write to Charley Reese at P.O. Box 2446, Orlando, FL 32802)
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Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 11:08 pm    Post subject: Zionist Richard Perle : 'Inspections Or Not, We'll Attack..

JINSA Zionist Extremist Richard Perle : 'Inspections Or Not, We'll Attack Iraq':

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/11/24/zionist-richard-perle-inspections-or-not-we-ll-attack-iraq.php
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2003 4:50 am    Post subject: Full U.S. Control Planned for Iraq

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37949-2003Feb20.html

washingtonpost.com

Full U.S. Control Planned for Iraq
American Would Oversee Rebuilding By Karen DeYoung and Peter Slevin
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, February 21, 2003; Page A01 The Bush administration plans to take complete, unilateral control of a post-Saddam Hussein Iraq, with an interim administration headed by a yet-to-be named American civilian who would direct the reconstruction of the country and the creation of a "representative" Iraqi government, according to a now-finalized blueprint described by U.S. officials and other sources.

Gen. Tommy Franks, the head of the U.S. Central Command, is to maintain military control as long as U.S. troops are there. Once security was established and weapons of mass destruction were located and disabled, a U.S. administrator would run the civilian government and direct reconstruction and humanitarian aid.

In the early days of military action, U.S. forces following behind those in combat would distribute food and other relief items and begin needed reconstruction. The goal, officials said, would be to make sure the Iraqi people "immediately" consider themselves better off than they were the day before war, and attribute their improved circumstances directly to the United States.

The initial humanitarian effort, as previously announced, is to be directed by retired Army Lt. Gen. Jay M. Garner. But once he got to Baghdad, sources said, Garner would quickly be replaced as the supreme civil authority by an American "of stature," such as a former U.S. state governor or ambassador, officials said.

Officials said other governments are being recruited to participate in relief and reconstruction tasks under U.S. supervision at a time to be decided by Franks and officials in Washington. Although initial food supplies are to be provided by the United States, negotiations are underway with the U.N. World Food Program to administer a nationwide distribution network Opposition leaders were informed this week that the United States will not recognize an Iraqi provisional government being discussed by some expatriate groups. Some 20 to 25 Iraqis would assist U.S. authorities in a U.S.-appointed "consultative council," with no governing responsibility. Under a decision finalized last week, Iraqi government officials would be subjected to "de-Baathification," a reference to Hussein's ruling Baath Party, under a program that borrows from the "de-Nazification" program established in Germany after World War II.

Criteria by which officials would be designated as too tainted to keep their jobs are still being worked on, although they would likely be based more on complicity with the human rights and weapons abuses of the Hussein government than corruption, officials said. A large number of current officials would be retained.

Although some of the broad strokes of U.S. plans for a post-Hussein Iraq have previously been reported, newly finalized elements include the extent of U.S. control and the plan to appoint a nonmilitary civil administrator. Officials cautioned that developments in Iraq could lead them to revise the plan on the run. Yet to be decided is "at what point and for what purpose" a multinational administration, perhaps run by the United Nations, would be considered to replace the U.S. civil authority.

"We have a load of plans that could be carried out by an international group, a coalition group, or by us and a few others," one senior U.S. official. President Bush, the official said, doesn't want to close options until the participants in a military action are known and the actual postwar situation in Iraq becomes clear.

The administration has been under strong pressure to demonstrate that it has a detailed program to deal with what is expected to be a chaotic and dangerous situation if Hussein is removed. The White House plans to brief Congress and reporters on more details of the plan next week.

No definitive price tag or time limit has been put on the plan, and officials stressed that much remains unknown about the length of a potential conflict, how much destruction would result, and "how deep" the corruption of the Iraqi government goes. The administration has declined to estimate how long U.S. forces would remain in Iraq. Undersecretary of State Marc Grossman told Congress last week that it might be two years before the Iraqis regained administrative control of their country. But "they're terrified of being caught in a time frame," said retired Army Gen. Barry R. McCaffrey, one of a number of senior military and civilian experts who have been briefed by the Pentagon on the plan. "My own view is that it will take five years, with substantial military power, to establish and exploit the peace" in Iraq.

Although more than 180,000 U.S. troops are on the ground in the Persian Gulf region, U.S. officials continued to emphasize that President Bush still has not made a final decision on whether to go to war. Negotiations at the United Nations, where Bush is seeking a new Security Council resolution declaring that Hussein has violated U.N. disarmament demands and authorizing that he be disarmed by a U.N. multinational force, are at a delicate stage.

A majority of the council's 15 members have said they believe a decision on war should be delayed while U.N. weapons inspections, launched in November, continue. Bush has said that, if necessary, the U.S. military and a "coalition of the willing" will disarm Iraq without U.N. approval.

The administration also is continuing discussions with Arab governments about the possibilities of exile for Hussein and several dozen of his family members and top officials. Sources said, however, that even if Hussein and a small group of others were to leave, uncertainties about who would remain in charge, the need to destroy weapons of mass destruction, and concerns about establishing long-term stability would likely lead to the insertion of U.S. troops there in any case.

Among the other parts of the post-Hussein plan:

? Iraqi military forces would be gathered in prisoner-of-war camps, with opposition members now receiving U.S. training at an air base in Hungary serving as part of the guard force. The Iraqi troops would be vetted by U.S. forces under Franks's command, and those who were cleared, beginning with those who "stood down or switched sides" during a U.S. assault, would receive U.S. training to serve in what one official called a "post-stabilization" force.

U.S. forces would secure any weapons of mass destruction that were found, including biological and chemical weapons stores. "At an appropriate time," an official said, the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission and the International Atomic Energy Agency, who are conducting U.N.-mandated weapons inspections in Iraq, might be brought in to examine weaponry, scientists and documentation.

In addition to the consultative council, an Iraqi commission would be formed to reestablish a judicial system. An additional commission would write a new constitution, although officials emphasized that they would not expect to "democratize" Iraq along the lines of the U.S. governing system. Instead, they speak of a "representative Iraqi government."

Officials said the decision to install U.S. military and civilian administrations for an indeterminate time stems from lessons learned in Afghanistan, where power has been diffused among U.S. military forces still waging war against the remnants of the Taliban and al Qaeda, a multinational security force of several thousand troops in which the United States does not participate, and the interim government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

The administration is particularly keen on averting interference by other regional powers, and cites the "ability of people like the Iranians and others to go in with money and create warlords" sympathetic to their own interests, one official said. "We don't want a weak federal government that plays into the hands of regional powers" and allows Iraq to be divided into de facto spheres of influence. "We don't want the Iranians to be paying the Shiites, the Turks the Turkmen and the Saudis the Sunnis," the official, referring to some of the main groups among dozens of Iraqi tribes and ethnic and religious groups.

A similar anxiety led to the decision to prohibit the Iraqi opposition based outside the country from forming a provisional government. The chief proponent of that idea, Ahmed Chalabi, head of the Iraqi National Congress, was informed this week that any move to declare a provisional Iraqi government "would result in a formal break in the U.S.-INC relationship," the official said.
 

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