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U.S. official to Israel: We'll deal with Syria,
Iran after Iraq war

By Aluf Benn and Sharon Sadeh, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and
Agencies
U.S. Undersec'y of State John Bolton: Syria and Iran are next.
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U.S. Undersecretary of State John Bolton said in meetings with Israeli
officials on Monday that he has no doubt America will attack Iraq, and that
it will be necessary to deal with threats from Syria, Iran and North Korea
afterwards.

Bolton, who is undersecretary for arms control and international security, is
in Israel for meetings about preventing the spread of weapons of mass
destruction.

In a meeting with Bolton on Monday, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said that
Israel is concerned about the security threat posed by Iran. It's important
to deal with Iran even while American attention is turned toward Iraq, Sharon
said.

Bolton also met with Foreign Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Housing and
Construction Minister Natan Sharansky.

No uniform position in EU
The European Union has not yet succeeded in arriving at a uniform position
regarding Iraq, leaving the disagreements between the pro-war and anti-war
camps continuing virtually unabated.

German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said at Monday's emergency summit in
Brussels that the deliberations are about Europe itself as well as Iraq, and
rejected the need for military force.

Representatives from France and Belgium are also adamant in their opposition
to war, and French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin praised Belgium for
helping stall the NATO deliberations.

On the other side, Britain, Spain and Italy remained consistent in their
support of the United States.

“Time is running out,” said British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw. The United
Nations "set out very clearly that this was the final opportunity for Iraq to
comply," Straw said. "That involves hard decisions for everyone across
Europe. It is only by fighting tyranny that we are able to enjoy the freedoms
that we do."

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JINSA Zionist Extremist John Bolton Confirms JINSA Agenda in Israel Today:

HISTORY MADE AS MORE THAN A MILLION MARCH FOR PEACE:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12646938&method=full&siteid=50143

Kurdish Leaders Enraged by 'Undemocratic' American Plan to Occupy Iraq:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=379060

The JINSA Zionist extremist cabal (of Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Doug Feith, Elliott Abrams, and John Bolton) has hijacked the Bush regime and is pushing US to its coming war on Islam (beginning with the invasion of Iraq) for greater Israel and oil (Robert Fisk of the London Independent mentions in the following article that Dick Cheney was on the board of advisors for JINSA before becoming Vice President and helped put the other JINSA Zionist extremists into power in the current Bush regime):

Zionist JINSA Group in Bush Regime Pushing Iraq Attack:

http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=332011

Included below is that "Men from JINSA and CSP" article from "The Nation" magazine which Mr. Fisk mentions in his article referenced above:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&s=vest&c=1

The Men From JINSA and CSP

by JASON VEST

[from the September 2, 2002 issue of "The Nation" magazine in the USA]

This Zionist extremist agenda of JINSA (which is pushing for the US to attack Iraq and then Iran, Syria and North Korea) is confirmed by what JINSAN John Bolton mentioned in Israel today (according to what is mentioned in the Israeli Haaretz newspaper article which can be accessed via the following URL):

We'll deal with Syria, Iran after Iraq war - John Bolton:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/17/we-ll-deal-with-syria-iran-after-iraq-war-john-bolton.php

JINSA Zionist Extremists at Pentagon to Control Iraq:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/04/radical-jinsa-zionists-at-pentagon-to-control-iraq.php

JINSA Zionist Extremists (in Bush Regime) Pushing US to War for Israel and Oil:

Recent polling is showing that 59 percent of the US public would like the UN weapons inspectors to continue with their work in Iraq (instead of having the US launch an invasion of Iraq for greater Israel and oil), and 2/3 of the US public are against the coming invasion of Iraq (if it is to occur without UN approval). I have the Constitutional right as an American patriot to expose Israel firsters (in the US government) who are associated with the JINSA (Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs) Zionist extremist cabal of Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Doug Feith and Dick Cheney (who was on the board of directors for JINSA before becoming Vice President and helped put fellow JINSA Zionist extremists Mr. Wolfowitz and Mr. Perle into power in the current Bush regime as conveyed by Robert Fisk in his London Independent newspaper articles which are referenced below).

This JINSA cabal (which has basically hijacked the current Bush regime) is pushing US to initiate a war on Islam (beginning with the invasion of Iraq) which has the potential to inflame the Middle East (as well as increase the risk of US experiencing further tragic terrorism). The Israel firster perspective may suit Likudite cronies in Israel (like General Sharon and Mr. Netanyahu as so eloquently conveyed by Mr. Fisk in his most recent article for the London Independent which is referenced first below), but it is not in the best interest of America:

Robert Fisk: The case against war: A conflict driven by the self-interest of America

http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=378428

Cabinet Rallies to Blair as War Revolt Looms:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=379088

Zionist JINSA Group in Bush Regime Pushing Iraq Attack:

http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=332011

JINSA Zionist Planned Iraq 'Regime Change' before Bush Presidency:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/31/bush-planned-iraq-regime-change-before-becoming-president.php

Washington's Zionist Chicken Hawks to Reshape Mid East for Israel:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/10/25/washington-s-zionist-hawks-to-reshape-mid-east-for-israel.php

JINSA Zionist Extremist Richard Perle Does Not Speak for the Majority of Americans:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/05/every-patriotic-american-needs-to-access-this.php

War on Iraq: Conceived in Israel:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/10/the-war-on-iraq-conceived-in-israel.php

Israeli sources say war imminent; Iran and Syria next:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/15/israeli-sources-say-war-imminent-iran-and-syria-next.php

The Threat of "Transfer" (Ethnic Cleansing) in Israel and Palestine:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/15/the-threat-of-transfer-in-israel-and-palestine.php

TOO MANY SMOKING GUNS TO IGNORE: ISRAEL, US JEWS, IRAQ:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/28/too-many-smoking-guns-to-ignore-israel-us-jews-iraq.php

UN REMARKS by Foreign Affairs Ministers of Syria and France (especially comments by Syria about US/UN double standard in not enforcing paragraph 14 of UN Security Council Resolution 687 against Israeli weapons of mass destruction as well):

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/14/un-remarks-by-foreign-affairs-ministers-of-syria-and-france.php

Iraqi Ambassador: UN/US Double Standard with Israeli Nuclear Weapons:

The UN (US) double standard for Israel with paragraph 14 of UN Security Council Resolution 687 against Iraq (which calls for the Middle East to be a zone free of weapons of mass destruction as mentioned below by the Iraqi UN Ambassador) is completely unjust (especially when it comes to Israeli weapons of mass destruction):

Iraq Turns Spotlight on Israel at U.N. Arms Body:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/31/iraq-turns-spotlight-on-israel-at-u-n-arms-body.php

The Return of Zionist Extremist Elliott Abrams:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/04/return-of-zionist-extremist-elliott-abrams.php

We'll give UN inspectors more time, says Blair:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=378501

Israeli Spy Rumors Fly on Gusts of Truth with 9/11:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/16/israeli-spy-rumors-fly-on-gusts-of-truth-with-9-11.php

The following also appeared in the Daily Mirror in the UK:

HYSTERICAL? WE'VE ONLY JUST BEGUN

WHEN the Daily Mirror launched its campaign against the war on Iraq we were dismissed as lefty peaceniks, just opposing military action for the sake of it.

As the campaign continued the abuse intensified - we were accused of being 'hysterical, of "cynically chasing new readers, of over-reacting".

The crescendo of negativity reached a nadir with our BLOOD ON HIS HANDS front page, powerfully illustrating John Pilger's ferocious attack on Tony Blair for the impending slaughter of Iraqi civilians.

This was crass, offensive and way too personal, our critics said. Yet it was the exact same phrase Mr Blair used to denigrate the 1.5 million people who protested in London on Saturday.

What is now absolutely clear is that the Daily Mirror is right about this war. And Tony Blair is wrong. The Prime Minister is not a stupid man so he must realise in his astute head that he is beaten logically, politically and democratically.

The only support he has in this country is from a few lapdogs in the Cabinet - take a bow, John Prescott - the Tory leadership and newspapers owned by George W Bush admirers living in America.

Those one and a half million people who marched on Saturday are not the only ones who feel war would be wrong, needless and a total disaster. Each of them represents many more.

It was the biggest demonstration this country has ever seen. It rivalled the magnificent anti-Vietnam marches in the United States in the 70s.

In the past, protesters have been sneered at as long-haired hippies. That couldn't be said about Saturday's demonstrators. Young and old, working, middle, and upper class... Countless thousands of ordinary people united on one fundamental principle - war against Iraq at this time is wrong, wrong, wrong.

It is because Mr Blair knows he has lost the argument that he is lashing out. He claims to have scaled the moral high ground and accuses those who oppose his views of being as guilty as Saddam of murdering his victims.

Had the Prime Minister talked to the demonstrators, he would have found hardly any who supported the Iraqi tyrant - and the Mirror has no time for those who do.

Being against Saddam - or any other terrible regime - is a moral position to take. Sending in bombers to obliterate them, wiping out thousands of innocents in the process, is not part of most people's definition of morality.

If this sounds like hysteria, the Daily Mirror doesn't mind. If it takes obsessional, hysterical, head-banging to get over the message that this war must not happen, so be it. The option - though you wouldn't know this to listen to Mr Blair - is not between waging war and being obliterated by Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. There is a real, workable alternative - to control him through tough use of UN weapons inspectors. Which is the alternative backed by most countries and the vast majority of people in Britain.

Having lost the argument, it is Tony Blair who is plunging down the road of hysteria. Playing the morality card is not just offensive and ridiculous, but dangerous.

Where would it end? Having taken out Saddam, where would the US-British axis turn to next? Which other objectionable, tyrannical regimes would become targets for our bombs and invasion forces?

Will they be sent in to remove Zimbabwe's President Mugabe for driving his people into starvation? How about the terrible anti-human-rights record of the Chinese government - would we take on their immense population? Or what about the attitude of the Saudis to women and human rights? Or Israel's defiance of UN resolutions? It all smacks of one rule for Iraq and another for everyone else.

We should be told if we have just heard the Blair Doctrine - coming second-hand from the dangerous men who run today's White House - which will become our foreign and military policy at the start of the 21st century.

The world has one omnipotent power, whose military spending outstrips every other nation put together. That country, unlike those in Europe, has hardly suffered from attack. Yet this White House wants to bombard Iraq and then who-knows-where next. And it wishes to take the United Kingdom along on its coat-tails, a conspirator to mass slaughter.

If we are talking morality, perhaps Tony Blair could explain the morality in rigging reports of "evidence" to justify military invasion? Both America and the British government have done that in the past few days. Or maybe the Prime Minister could debate morality with some of the fundamentalists who threaten this country because they believe we live an immoral lifestyle.

Morality is the last refuge of a discredited politician. The final desperate hiding place of those who have lost the argument but refuse to accept defeat.

Tony Blair should ask himself if he is Prime Minister of a nation so steeped in immorality that one and a half million of its people will march to support their views.

Or whether the people of this country are desperately worried at the prospect of being dragged into a divisive, dangerous and murderous war.

There will not be blood on the hands of those who seek peace with strength. And we don't want there to be on Tony Blair's, either.

The Mirror will go on shouting that loudly, clearly, and if necessarily hysterically, until Mr Blair listens.

Guest-cdbc

What Does the Bush Imperial Maffia Really Want?

by William Blum

Which is the more remarkable -- that the United States can openly
announce to the world its determination to invade a sovereign nation and
overthrow its government in the absence of any attack or threat of attack
from the intended target? Or that for an entire year the world has been
striving to figure out what the superpower's real intentions are?
There are of course those who accept at face value Washington's stated
motivations of "liberating" the people of Iraq from a dictatorship and
bestowing upon them a full measure of democracy, freedom and other eternal
joys fit for American schoolbooks. In light of a century of
well-documented US foreign policy which reveals a virtually complete absence
of such motivations, along with repeated opposite consequences, we can
dispense with this attempt by Washington to win hearts and mindless.
Presented here are some reflections about several of the causes that make
the hearts of the imperial mafia beat faster in regard to Iraq, which may be
helpful in arguing the anti-war point of view:
Expansion of the American Empire: adding more military bases and
communications listening stations to the Pentagon's portfolio, setting up a
command post from which to better monitor, control and intimidate the rest of
the Middle East.
Idealism: remaking the world in what the true believers see as America's
image, with free enterprise and Judeo-Christianity as core elements; here is
Michael Ledeen, former Reagan official, now at the American Enterprise
Institute (one of the leading drum-beaters for attacking Iraq): "If we just
let our own vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely, and we
don't try to be clever and piece together clever diplomatic solutions to this
thing, but just wage a total war against these tyrants, I think we will do
very well, and our children will sing great songs about us years from now."
Oil: the sine qua non of Middle East policy, yesterday, today and
tomorrow; to be in full control of Iraq's vast reserves, with Saudi oil and
Iranian oil waiting defenselessly next door; OPEC will be stripped of its
independence from Washington and will no longer think about replacing the
dollar with the Euro as its official currency; oil-dependent Europe may think
twice next time about being so uppity.
Globalization: Once relative security over the land, people and
institutions has been established, the transnational corporations will march
into Iraq ready to privatize everything at fire-sale prices, followed closely
by the IMF, World Bank, World Trade Organization and the rest of the
international financial extortionists.
Arms industry: As with each of America's endless wars, military
manufacturers will rake in their exorbitant profits, then deliver their
generous political contributions, inspiring Washington leaders to yet further
warfare, each war also being the opportunity to test new weapons.
Israel: The men driving Bush to war include long-time militant supporters
of Israel, such as Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Douglas Feith, who,
along with the rest of the powerful Israeli lobby, have advocated smashing
Iraq for years. Israel has been playing a key role in the American military
buildup to the war. Besides getting rid of its arch enemy, Israel could use
the opportunity to carry out its final solution to the Palestinian question
-- transferring them to Jordan, (liberated) Iraq, and anywhere else that
expanded US hegemony in the Middle East will allow. Iraq's abundant water
could be diverted to relieve a parched Israel.

Written by William Blum, author of "Killing Hope: US Military and CIA
Interventions Since World War II" and "Rogue State: A Guide to the World's
Only Superpower" -- www.killinghope.org

The JINSA Zionist extremist cabal (of Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Doug Feith, Elliott Abrams, and John Bolton) has hijacked the Bush regime and is pushing US to its coming war on Islam (beginning with the invasion of Iraq) for greater Israel and oil (Robert Fisk of the London Independent mentions in the following article that Dick Cheney was on the board of advisors for JINSA before becoming Vice President and helped put the other JINSA Zionist extremists into power in the current Bush regime):

Zionist JINSA Group in Bush Regime Pushing Iraq Attack:

http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=332011

Included below is that "Men from JINSA and CSP" article from "The Nation" magazine which Mr. Fisk mentions in his article referenced above:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&s=vest&c=1

The Men From JINSA and CSP

by JASON VEST

[from the September 2, 2002 issue of "The Nation" magazine in the USA]

This Zionist extremist agenda of JINSA (which is pushing for the US to attack Iraq and then Iran, Syria and North Korea) is confirmed by what JINSAN John Bolton mentioned in Israel today (according to what is mentioned in the Israeli Haaretz newspaper article which can be accessed via the following URL):

JINSA Zionist Extremist John Bolton Confirms JINSA Agenda in Israel Today:

We'll deal with Syria, Iran after Iraq war - John Bolton:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/17/we-ll-deal-with-syria-iran-after-iraq-war-john-bolton.php

JINSA Zionist Extremists at Pentagon to Control Iraq:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/04/radical-jinsa-zionists-at-pentagon-to-control-iraq.php

JINSA Zionist Extremists (in Bush Regime) Pushing US to War for Israel and Oil:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/31/bush-planned-iraq-regime-change-before-becoming-president.php

Recent polling is showing that 59 percent of the US public would like the UN weapons inspectors to continue with their work in Iraq (instead of having the US launch an invasion of Iraq for greater Israel and oil), and 2/3 of the US public are against the coming invasion of Iraq (if it is to occur without UN approval). I have the Constitutional right as an American patriot to expose Israel firsters (in the US government) who are associated with the JINSA (Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs) Zionist extremist cabal of Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Doug Feith and Dick Cheney (who was on the board of directors for JINSA before becoming Vice President and helped put fellow JINSA Zionist extremists Mr. Wolfowitz and Mr. Perle into power in the current Bush regime as conveyed by Robert Fisk in his London Independent newspaper articles which are referenced below).

This JINSA cabal (which has basically hijacked the current Bush regime) is pushing US to initiate a war on Islam (beginning with the invasion of Iraq) which has the potential to inflame the Middle East (as well as increase the risk of US experiencing further tragic terrorism). The Israel firster perspective may suit Likudite cronies in Israel (like General Sharon and Mr. Netanyahu as so eloquently conveyed by Mr. Fisk in his most recent article for the London Independent which is referenced first below), but it is not in the best interest of America:

Robert Fisk: The case against war: A conflict driven by the self-interest of America

http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=378428

Cabinet Rallies to Blair as War Revolt Looms:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=379088

Zionist JINSA Group in Bush Regime Pushing Iraq Attack:

http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=332011

JINSA Zionist Planned Iraq 'Regime Change' before Bush Presidency:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/31/bush-planned-iraq-regime-change-before-becoming-president.php

Washington's Zionist Chicken Hawks to Reshape Mid East for Israel:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/10/25/washington-s-zionist-hawks-to-reshape-mid-east-for-israel.php

JINSA Zionist Extremist Richard Perle Does Not Speak for the Majority of Americans:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/05/every-patriotic-american-needs-to-access-this.php

War on Iraq: Conceived in Israel:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/10/the-war-on-iraq-conceived-in-israel.php

Israeli sources say war imminent; Iran and Syria next:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/15/israeli-sources-say-war-imminent-iran-and-syria-next.php

The Threat of "Transfer" (Ethnic Cleansing) in Israel and Palestine:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/15/the-threat-of-transfer-in-israel-and-palestine.php

TOO MANY SMOKING GUNS TO IGNORE: ISRAEL, US JEWS, IRAQ:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/28/too-many-smoking-guns-to-ignore-israel-us-jews-iraq.php

UN REMARKS by Foreign Affairs Ministers of Syria and France (especially comments by Syria about US/UN double standard in not enforcing paragraph 14 of UN Security Council Resolution 687 against Israeli weapons of mass destruction as well):

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/14/un-remarks-by-foreign-affairs-ministers-of-syria-and-france.php

Iraqi Ambassador: UN/US Double Standard with Israeli Nuclear Weapons:

The UN (US) double standard for Israel with paragraph 14 of UN Security Council Resolution 687 against Iraq (which calls for the Middle East to be a zone free of weapons of mass destruction as mentioned below by the Iraqi UN Ambassador) is completely unjust (especially when it comes to Israeli weapons of mass destruction):

Iraq Turns Spotlight on Israel at U.N. Arms Body:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/31/iraq-turns-spotlight-on-israel-at-u-n-arms-body.php

The Return of Zionist Extremist Elliott Abrams:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/04/return-of-zionist-extremist-elliott-abrams.php

We'll give UN inspectors more time, says Blair:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=378501

Israeli Spy Rumors Fly on Gusts of Truth with 9/11:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2003/02/16/israeli-spy-rumors-fly-on-gusts-of-truth-with-9-11.php

HISTORY MADE AS MORE THAN A MILLION MARCH FOR PEACE:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12646938&method=full&siteid=50143

Kurdish Leaders Enraged by 'Undemocratic' American Plan to Occupy Iraq:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=379060

The following also appeared in the Daily Mirror in the UK:

HYSTERICAL? WE'VE ONLY JUST BEGUN

WHEN the Daily Mirror launched its campaign against the war on Iraq we were dismissed as lefty peaceniks, just opposing military action for the sake of it.

As the campaign continued the abuse intensified - we were accused of being 'hysterical, of "cynically chasing new readers, of over-reacting".

The crescendo of negativity reached a nadir with our BLOOD ON HIS HANDS front page, powerfully illustrating John Pilger's ferocious attack on Tony Blair for the impending slaughter of Iraqi civilians.

This was crass, offensive and way too personal, our critics said. Yet it was the exact same phrase Mr Blair used to denigrate the 1.5 million people who protested in London on Saturday.

What is now absolutely clear is that the Daily Mirror is right about this war. And Tony Blair is wrong. The Prime Minister is not a stupid man so he must realise in his astute head that he is beaten logically, politically and democratically.

The only support he has in this country is from a few lapdogs in the Cabinet - take a bow, John Prescott - the Tory leadership and newspapers owned by George W Bush admirers living in America.

Those one and a half million people who marched on Saturday are not the only ones who feel war would be wrong, needless and a total disaster. Each of them represents many more.

It was the biggest demonstration this country has ever seen. It rivalled the magnificent anti-Vietnam marches in the United States in the 70s.

In the past, protesters have been sneered at as long-haired hippies. That couldn't be said about Saturday's demonstrators. Young and old, working, middle, and upper class... Countless thousands of ordinary people united on one fundamental principle - war against Iraq at this time is wrong, wrong, wrong.

It is because Mr Blair knows he has lost the argument that he is lashing out. He claims to have scaled the moral high ground and accuses those who oppose his views of being as guilty as Saddam of murdering his victims.

Had the Prime Minister talked to the demonstrators, he would have found hardly any who supported the Iraqi tyrant - and the Mirror has no time for those who do.

Being against Saddam - or any other terrible regime - is a moral position to take. Sending in bombers to obliterate them, wiping out thousands of innocents in the process, is not part of most people's definition of morality.

If this sounds like hysteria, the Daily Mirror doesn't mind. If it takes obsessional, hysterical, head-banging to get over the message that this war must not happen, so be it. The option - though you wouldn't know this to listen to Mr Blair - is not between waging war and being obliterated by Saddam's weapons of mass destruction. There is a real, workable alternative - to control him through tough use of UN weapons inspectors. Which is the alternative backed by most countries and the vast majority of people in Britain.

Having lost the argument, it is Tony Blair who is plunging down the road of hysteria. Playing the morality card is not just offensive and ridiculous, but dangerous.

Where would it end? Having taken out Saddam, where would the US-British axis turn to next? Which other objectionable, tyrannical regimes would become targets for our bombs and invasion forces?

Will they be sent in to remove Zimbabwe's President Mugabe for driving his people into starvation? How about the terrible anti-human-rights record of the Chinese government - would we take on their immense population? Or what about the attitude of the Saudis to women and human rights? Or Israel's defiance of UN resolutions? It all smacks of one rule for Iraq and another for everyone else.

We should be told if we have just heard the Blair Doctrine - coming second-hand from the dangerous men who run today's White House - which will become our foreign and military policy at the start of the 21st century.

The world has one omnipotent power, whose military spending outstrips every other nation put together. That country, unlike those in Europe, has hardly suffered from attack. Yet this White House wants to bombard Iraq and then who-knows-where next. And it wishes to take the United Kingdom along on its coat-tails, a conspirator to mass slaughter.

If we are talking morality, perhaps Tony Blair could explain the morality in rigging reports of "evidence" to justify military invasion? Both America and the British government have done that in the past few days. Or maybe the Prime Minister could debate morality with some of the fundamentalists who threaten this country because they believe we live an immoral lifestyle.

Morality is the last refuge of a discredited politician. The final desperate hiding place of those who have lost the argument but refuse to accept defeat.

Tony Blair should ask himself if he is Prime Minister of a nation so steeped in immorality that one and a half million of its people will march to support their views.

Or whether the people of this country are desperately worried at the prospect of being dragged into a divisive, dangerous and murderous war.

There will not be blood on the hands of those who seek peace with strength. And we don't want there to be on Tony Blair's, either.

The Mirror will go on shouting that loudly, clearly, and if necessarily hysterically, until Mr Blair listens.

Guest-98a3

When Arabists so do it with that obsession, they shoot themselves in the foot.
"jinsa","ninja","kinja", Start THINKING For God's sake!
US are a free thinking people, free of Arab OIL Muslim MAFIA called the"un".[/B]

Did Sadistic Saddam attack Arab Kuwait?
Oh yes, it's "jinsa'' "ninja",''minja". or IT'S ARAB MUSLIM RACISM + JIHAD???

Did Sadistic Saddam BUTCHER/GASSED IT'S OWN PEOPLE?
Oh yes, it's "jinsa'' "ninja",''minja". or IT'S ARAB MUSLIM RACISM + JIHAD???

Do ArabMuslim Militant Hamas/IslamicJihad/Arafat TARGET BABIES, (not targeting terrorists) Yes or no?
Oh yes, it's "jinsa'' "ninja",''minja". or IT'S ARAB MUSLIM RACISM + JIHAD???

Did Arab Islamists attack French subways?
Oh yes, it's "jinsa'' "ninja",''minja". or IT'S ARAB MUSLIM RACISM + JIHAD???

Do ArabMuslim Militant Alqaeda & others have a WAR with the FREE WORLD, Yes or no?
Oh yes, it's "jinsa'' "ninja",''minja". or IT'S ARAB MUSLIM RACISM + JIHAD???

Did Arab Muslims BUTCHER Jews long before 1948, such as the Hebron Massacre in 1929 & other.
Oh yes, it's "jinsa'' "ninja",''minja". or IT'S ARAB MUSLIM RACISM + JIHAD???

Are Philippinos= "israelis'' that Muslim DECAPITATES Militants Tourists in their South?
Oh yes, it's "jinsa'' "ninja",''minja". or IT'S ARAB MUSLIM RACISM + JIHAD???

Are Sudanese slaves by Arab Muslims being maimed & tortured?
Oh yes, it's "jinsa'' "ninja",''minja". or IT'S ARAB MUSLIM RACISM + JIHAD???

Are Mauritanian slaves by Arab Muslims being maimed & tortured?
Oh yes, it's "jinsa'' "ninja",''minja". or IT'S ARAB MUSLIM RACISM + JIHAD???

LOL.

Ed Toner · Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 5:16 pm Post subject: Do Arabs...........

Do Arabs control both houses and the White House?

Do Arabs get billions of U.S. Dollars every year, from our taxpayers?

Do Arabs control our Media?

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Words of Wisdom about Simpleton Bush (manipulated by JINSA):

There's a chance that things are getting better. The insanity emanating from the White House is so over the top that people all over this planet are realizing Bush is too Hitler-like to be ignored. Bush is a frighting man with his fist pounding speeches, yelling and choice of terms like evil and crusade. We all saw the world wide protests. They understand that a nutcase has gained power due to the blind followers of the far right fundamentalist faction of the Republican Party and they understand only too well where this demagogy can eventually lead the world. Plain and simple, the world wants no part of Bushs ideas.
The average European is better educated than the average American for several reasons. They have closely compacted cultures and are therefore less ethnocentric. The learned the lessons of World War One and Two, only too well after witnessing them in their back yards. Their history programs in school are generally more extensive and open minded that ours. In simple words, they look at Bush, see him for the ruthless fool he is, and know what this kind of idiocy can produce.
If Bush does not ignite World War Three, much good will flow from his feebleminded reign. Virtually singlehandedly Bush has rejuvenated the sleeping Liberal left far more than any Democratic President could ever hope too. And, not only has he done this in America, he has accomplished this feat world-wide.
Because Bush is so off the wall far right, the US and the world is pulling back on the left as never before. There is a huge ground swell of yet untapped anti-war, anti-imperialism reserve not yet surfaced to the main stream political leaders. Let one, or two political types start saying the things we all know and the voters will flock to them like they did with McCarthy and McGovern during the Viet Nam war.
Blair is in deep trouble and has nowhere to hide. If he stays on the war path, he's finished. If he backs off, he's defeated. That's what he gets for hitching his horses to Bushs wagon. As for Bush, he's too out of it to notice nobody is following him anymore. This screwball thinks he's running the planet. Basically without a war, he has a failed presidency and least we not forget, war is a failure in itself. Almost certainly, China will veto a new UN resolution for war, and perhaps France, Germany and some others will veto too.
So let's look at the result of Bush thus far. A weakened and fractured NATO. A newly arrogant and nuke capable North Korea. Long standing and traditional allies turning their back on us. A world weary of US intentions. Americans less welcome world-wide. A newly awakened left.
Let's all face it. Not only has Bush failed at everything he's done in life, but he's failing in a presidency that was handed to him on a platter after the horrors of 9-11.

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In a message dated 02/18/03 11:36:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, Dcdc writes:

The administration is going to do anything..... and I mean ANYTHING.... to SELL this war.
Even if it has no wheels. Even if it has no steering wheel. Even if it has no brakes.

Right. When the administration realized that the terror alert wasn't whipping up more support for the war, and that Bush's overall popularity rating had dropped below pre-9/11 ratings, they had to come up with something else. In the end, though, I think it really doesn't matter. I think that even if a majority of Americans were against the war at all (as opposed to being against it unless the U.N. authorizes it), Bush would go right ahead. And given the unfortunate jingoism of the majority of the populace, his popularity ratings would go through the roof -- but they'll plunge unless he ends the war quickly before too many body bags come home, which I doubt it possible if he's going to achieve his goal of ousting Saddam Hussein and installing a government friendly to the U.S.

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ANKARA, Turkey/BAGDDAD, Iraq (Reuters) - U.S. preparations for war with Iraq suffered a new setback Tuesday when Turkey dug in its heels in negotiations over its role as a launch pad for an invasion.

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Washington, embroiled in a broader diplomatic battle at the United Nations (news - web sites) over its war plans, indicated it had issued Ankara with an ultimatum and would do without it if necessary.

The White House also said it might propose a new U.N. resolution this week or next to try to break a deadlock at the Security Council over its stance that Iraq is hiding weapons of mass destruction and may need to be disarmed by force soon.

Washington has said it was prepared to go ahead with military action without a resolution, but would rather have one. Close ally Saudi Arabia warned it that bypassing the United Nations would make military action look like a "war of aggression."

If Ankara continues to drag its feet, U.S. military planners could go ahead without a northern front. But an assault on Iraq from Turkey would relieve a main invasion from the south and could shorten any war and reduce American casualties.

The New York Times said senior Bush officials were for the first time openly discussing what could go wrong both during an attack on Iraq and in the aftermath, including concerns that Baghdad could use human shields or explode oil fields.

Iraq's fractious opposition groups, some of whom have battled one another in the past, began a gathering in the northern Kurdish enclave to try to form a united front and claim a role in government if President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) is ousted.

In the latest sign of Baghdad increasing cooperation to try to avert war, U.N. weapons inspectors confirmed that a U-2 surveillance plane had flown its first mission over Iraq.

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Iraq agreed allow to the U-2 and other overflights last week under intense pressure. It also agreed to allow private interviews with its scientists, although the inspectors said on Tuesday new problems had arisen when many of the scientists insisted their statements must be recorded.

Iraqi concessions have deepened misgivings about military action among some European nations and made it more difficult for the United States to win international backing for war.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) said the standoff with Turkey, which is demanding twice the $26 billion in economic aid offered by Washington to cushion its economy from the effects of a war, would end "one way or another rather soon."

"We continue to work with Turkey as a friend. But it is decision time," Fleischer said in Washington.

Turkish Foreign Minister Yasar Yakis said his government would ask parliament to open military facilities to U.S. soldiers only when Washington met Turkish demands.

"When conditions are fulfilled we are prepared to present it in the shortest possible time," Yakis told reporters.

Amid a huge U.S. and British build-up toward some 250,000 troops in the Gulf by early March for possible war against Iraq, the EU has been bitterly divided for a month, trading barbs and issuing rival statements and open letters.

EU leaders said an emergency summit Monday had helped them put their divisions behind them, but a new dispute broke out over a demand by French President Jacques Chirac for east European EU hopefuls to mute their backing for U.S. policy.

Aircraft taking part in U.S.-British patrols over "no-fly" zones in Iraq made their seventh strike in 10 days overnight.

Meanwhile Baghdad tried once again to avert an invasion by calling for an Arab boycott against the United States.

"Arab countries must take the necessary measures to protect their dignity using the vast resources of this region, starting with oil, the world's lifeblood, and the ports and airports of the region which are vital for global trade," Iraqi Foreign Minister Naji Sabri told the Saudi-owned daily Asharq al Awsat.

Arab nations have shown no sign of being prepared to take such steps, although they have voiced opposition to a conflict.

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