| Author | Message | | guest | | Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 12:55 am Post subject: |
| | And by the way.....I have every right to be just as angry at the attack on America 9/11 as any of you. I lost 2 family members in the pentagon. And my family had to try and deal with telling a 3 and a 4 year old girl why mommy and daddy were not coming home any more. | |  | | Guest-3eff | | Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 1:18 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | Regardless of the flawed US foreign policies towards israel, taking it out on the American people was a huge mistake. |
America wasn't the only nation to lose people on that day - many of the victims came from all over the world, including my own nation, the UK. It would also be wise to remember that many of the victims families are totally against any form of retaliaton in their loved one's names, especially when it involves the deliberate targetting of more innocent people. You should ask yourself why this is and think a lot more before you next post. Hatred and bigotry like yours is what got us all into this mess in the first place. | | | | guest | | Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 1:23 am Post subject: |
| | Thank you guest 3eff. I agree with that sentiment totally. I hate what happened to the people in 9/11. It has changed the face of the world forever. But I also don't want to see more innocent people die for the sake of retaliation. Already the statistics show that more afghani citizens have died in the war on terror than died in the towers. No matter how it is measured..this is wrong. | | | | Hunni | | Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2003 1:48 pm Post subject: |
| | guest wrote: | | Thank you guest 3eff. I agree with that sentiment totally. I hate what happened to the people in 9/11. It has changed the face of the world forever. But I also don't want to see more innocent people die for the sake of retaliation. Already the statistics show that more afghani citizens have died in the war on terror than died in the towers. No matter how it is measured..this is wrong. |
Hate and revenge are such destructive feelings aren't they. This is not to say that we do not have the right to have such feelings, they are perfectly understandable and acceptable in respect to such horrendous actions as 09/11. This day did change the world forever and I am very fearful that this change is not for the good. The people who died on that day and their families deserve more than just hate and revengeful action from their leaders. They deserve for everyone to have a better understanding that there are people in this world who are in desperate need for our help and our compassion, not our hate and revenge.
What is so desperately needed is not for us to turn our hate into vengeful action but to turn it into something positive and uplifting that will help the suffering of others. The people who died on September 11 deserve this at the very least, they do not deserve to have more people die in their names. | | | | Top | | Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:12 am Post subject: |
| | Guest-3eff wrote: | | Quote: | | Regardless of the flawed US foreign policies towards israel, taking it out on the American people was a huge mistake. |
America wasn't the only nation to lose people on that day - many of the victims came from all over the world, including my own nation, the UK. It would also be wise to remember that many of the victims families are totally against any form of retaliaton in their loved one's names, especially when it involves the deliberate targetting of more innocent people. You should ask yourself why this is and think a lot more before you next post. Hatred and bigotry like yours is what got us all into this mess in the first place. |
Of course many other nations lost people during 9/11. What I'm talking about is striking at the American people, on their soil! Imagine your feelings if Parliament, Big Ben, Buckingham Palace were destroyed in the UK. Europe has known bombing during two world wars, the US has not.
I am against war. I want to pack up all my things and go home. I think my government should change it's policies around the world, but especially in the Middle East. I think this would solve the Palestinian-israeli conflict. But I know this won't happen because I know the dynamics of my country, and I've posted some of these reasons here before.
So I say we are now on a path where a return only happens when allot of damage occurs. Sure we support israel blindly, and people took that out on us. Innocently, I might add. And you know this is true because most of what I read and know about this shows me the American public supports failed/flawed middle east policies (or is ignorant about them) even after the carnage of 9/11.
I also should add it's interesting Hunni/Hunnibee (and what ever else name you use) how my opinion is bigotry and hatred, and yours is one of calm, understanding and wisdom.
One thing I know for sure. The path which lays ahead is not in the control of the American people with the two party system and LOBBY influence we have. So, the bad actors around the world who struck the match will have to tolerate what happens until the fire burns itself out. | | | | Hunnibee (aka Hunni) | | Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2003 8:37 pm Post subject: |
| | Guest-c35d wrote: | | Guest-3eff wrote: | | Quote: | | Regardless of the flawed US foreign policies towards israel, taking it out on the American people was a huge mistake. |
America wasn't the only nation to lose people on that day - many of the victims came from all over the world, including my own nation, the UK. It would also be wise to remember that many of the victims families are totally against any form of retaliaton in their loved one's names, especially when it involves the deliberate targetting of more innocent people. You should ask yourself why this is and think a lot more before you next post. Hatred and bigotry like yours is what got us all into this mess in the first place. |
Of course many other nations lost people during 9/11. What I'm talking about is striking at the American people, on their soil! Imagine your feelings if Parliament, Big Ben, Buckingham Palace were destroyed in the UK. Europe has known bombing during two world wars, the US has not.
I am against war. I want to pack up all my things and go home. I think my government should change it's policies around the world, but especially in the Middle East. I think this would solve the Palestinian-israeli conflict. But I know this won't happen because I know the dynamics of my country, and I've posted some of these reasons here before.
So I say we are now on a path where a return only happens when allot of damage occurs. Sure we support israel blindly, and people took that out on us. Innocently, I might add. And you know this is true because most of what I read and know about this shows me the American public supports failed/flawed middle east policies (or is ignorant about them) even after the carnage of 9/11.
I also should add it's interesting Hunni/Hunnibee (and what ever else name you use) how my opinion is bigotry and hatred, and yours is one of calm, understanding and wisdom.
One thing I know for sure. The path which lays ahead is not in the control of the American people with the two party system and LOBBY influence we have. So, the bad actors around the world who struck the match will have to tolerate what happens until the fire burns itself out. |
I can understand your anger at terrorists striking your country - I am British and I lived most of my twenties in fear of an IRA attack taking place where I lived and worked in London (don't forget that terrorists have attacked my country's soil many times). So I perfectly understand the anger and the fear. The fear of not knowing what or where it will take place next, the anger at those who kill innocent people indiscriminately. For a very long time, I let my fear and anger grow into hate and an unreasonable distrust of those who came from the country of the terrorists.
However, I one day realised that the only person who was affected by this blind hate was myself. I woke up to the fact that if I continued to let this hate distrust fester, I would end up being a bitter and twisted person. I realised then that harbouring these negative feelings wasn't worth it. They were not helping me cope with the fear of terrorism and they would do nothing to make that fear and anger go away. So I stopped hating and I stopped mistrusting anyone with an Irish accent. I now understand that while terrorism is utterly wrong, there are quite often valid reasons for this action (even though the action itself is utterly abhorant and wrong) and it is this we have to tackle if we are to stop our nations from being attacked by terrorists. This is not to say that we should condone terrorism just because the reasons for it are valid - terrorism is unnacceptable and that includes state terrorism used as a means of 'defence'.
Ignorance and a biased attitude against another race will not stop terrorism, even if you feel that those feelings are justified. You only have to look at the situation between the Israelis and the Palestinians to understand what I mean. These negative feelings are doing nothing to help bring about a peaceful solution. The attitude that you showed towards the Arab race is one such feeling that will not help to stop terrorism and neither will it help you to cope with terrorism. It could well be that your country is in for a long haul of terrorist attacks and you and your fellow countrymen have to learn how to deal with this mentally and emotionally if you are to come through the other side. | | | | Guest-c651 | | | | Guest-c651 | | Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2003 12:22 pm Post subject: Don't Overlook Past Israel |
| | guest wrote: | | And by the way.....I have every right to be just as angry at the attack on America 9/11 as any of you. I lost 2 family members in the pentagon. And my family had to try and deal with telling a 3 and a 4 year old girl why mommy and daddy were not coming home any more. |
I am very sorry for your loss.... However, in order to fully address why we were attacked on September 11 (9/11), one can not overlook the Israeli association with the tragic 9/11 attacks... It is our biased policy for Israel (in flowing BILLIONS of US taxpayer dollars to Israel via a pro-Israel lobby corrupted and Zionist occupied US government which facilitates the brutal Israeli oppression of the Palestinian Arabs on their occupied land which contributed to the anger/hatred of the Arab/Moslem world for the US which contributed to why 9/11 happened). I am also irked by how our government has not fully investigated the intentional and brutal Israeli attack on the USS Liberty as mentioned in the Washington Post today:
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uss-liberty/2003/02/01/the-attack-on-the-uss-liberty.php
If the Israelis were involved in the 9/11 attack (take a look at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com), the September 11th Commission to supposedly investigate it will most likely do the same as the sham Naval Court of Inquiry into the USS Liberty attack did as the survivors are still waiting for justice some 35 years later as the above URL conveys.... | | | | Guest-c651 | | Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2003 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Don't Overlook Israeli Treachery against America |
| | Guest-c651 wrote: | | guest wrote: | | And by the way.....I have every right to be just as angry at the attack on America 9/11 as any of you. I lost 2 family members in the pentagon. And my family had to try and deal with telling a 3 and a 4 year old girl why mommy and daddy were not coming home any more. |
I am very sorry for your loss.... However, in order to fully address why we were attacked on September 11 (9/11), one can not overlook the Israeli association with the tragic 9/11 attacks... It is our biased policy for Israel (in flowing BILLIONS of US taxpayer dollars to Israel via a pro-Israel lobby corrupted and Zionist occupied US government which facilitates the brutal Israeli oppression of the Palestinian Arabs on their occupied land which contributed to the anger/hatred of the Arab/Moslem world for the US which contributed to why 9/11 happened). I am also irked by how our government has not fully investigated the intentional and brutal Israeli attack on the USS Liberty as mentioned in the Washington Post today:
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uss-liberty/2003/02/01/the-attack-on-the-uss-liberty.php
If the Israelis were involved in the 9/11 attack (take a look at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com), the September 11th Commission to supposedly investigate it will most likely do the same as the sham Naval Court of Inquiry into the USS Liberty attack did as the survivors are still waiting for justice some 35 years later as the above URL conveys.... |
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