| Author | Message | | Guest-43f8 | | Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:27 am Post subject: |
| [quote="Guest-3efd"] | Quote: | Nice tree. Now try to see the forest.
Even if the report was incorrect, wind forces and the structural components being discussed in the article have NOTHING TO DO with the way the WTC structure failed after the aircraft struck the towers. Get it? Even if the report was incorrect the way the author says, it is meaningless to the way the towers collapsed.
But the author's analysis is way too brief to be meaningful without reference to a full set of "as-built" prints for the tower. It is hardly unusual for the structure of a building to be different at different levels.
So first, why bother with a conspiracy that is totally meaninless?
Second, the author's "structural analysis" is far too simplified to be meaningful anyway. |
There is no need to plant a forest. We are discussing your ability to comprehend the report - at least that's what I'm talking about. Nowhere have I claimed that the report is accurate so why you persist in trying to disprove its contents to me is a mystery.
The author claimed that the towers could not have been constructed in the manner described within the official report due to the stresses imposed by common (not remarkable) lateral forces. In response you repeatedly introduce the irrelevancy (in the context of our discussion) of the attack on 11/9. So be it, we will be unable to make further progress.
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Actually, my statements were about how the accuracy of the report is irrelevant to 9/11. Now if you followed the links, you know that the whole thing is related to conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks.
The article's author wants to lead the readers down the path of believing that the 9/11 attacks were a US government conspiracy. He tries to make his story appear relevant to support his basic premise. | |  | | DOWNLOAD | | Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:32 am Post subject: DOWNLOAD THE ENTIRE SITE. |
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C:\original-directory-name\www.nerdcities.com\guardian\index.html or
/original-directory-name/www.nerdcities.com/guardian/index.html
All this is second nature to those accustomed to their operating system. Enjoy. | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 11:44 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | Actually, my statements were about how the accuracy of the report is irrelevant to 9/11. Now if you followed the links, you know that the whole thing is related to conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks.
The article's author wants to lead the readers down the path of believing that the 9/11 attacks were a US government conspiracy. He tries to make his story appear relevant to support his basic premise. |
Please follow this link:
Truss theory and how Mutt doesn't get it
It will allow you to go round and around in circles to your heart's content.
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Please sign the petition to prosecute War Criminal Tony Blair | | | | Guest | | Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2003 9:45 pm Post subject: |
| | Guest-3efd wrote: | | Quote: | Actually, my statements were about how the accuracy of the report is irrelevant to 9/11. Now if you followed the links, you know that the whole thing is related to conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks.
The article's author wants to lead the readers down the path of believing that the 9/11 attacks were a US government conspiracy. He tries to make his story appear relevant to support his basic premise. |
Please follow this link:
<a href="/middle-east-and-asia/2003/01/22/the-american-media-has-taken-you-for-a-fool.php">Truss theory and how Mutt doesn't get it</a>
It will allow you to go round and around in circles to your heart's content. |
So tell us please what the point is that Mutt doesn't get. | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2003 1:16 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | So tell us please what the point is that Mutt doesn't get. |
If you had followed the link it would be obvious. Bearing in mind you didn't understand the last time around, here we go again.
1. If the FEMA report is correct and their 'truss theory' is accurate - that is, if these trusses existed:
2. The WTC towers would not have had enough structural integrity to remain standing in a heavy wind, according to the author of the message posted on this site.
Your interpretation of this claim is that the towers did not collapse due to lateral forces.
"It wasn't lateral forces that brought down the WTC. It was dynamic vertical forces. The buildings were not designed to hold dynamic forces that ate the equivalent of having another building dropped on top of the WTC."
Your above statement is, of course, irrelevant to the point the author is trying to make. My response was to accuse you of not comprehending what the author was claiming and if you examine your reply you will see that my claim is accurate. Instead, you decided to concentrate on the reasons for the towers collapsing following the terrorists attacks.
It's all there in plain text if you need verification. Do you want to stop this now?
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Please sign the petition to prosecute War Criminal Tony Blair | | | | Meranda | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2003 1:51 am Post subject: Re: 2 Anglo |
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Meranda,
I'm not an engineer so all I can say is that I found the entire chain of events on 11/9, from start to finish, deeply suspicious. In most cases I don't have the expertise in relevant fields to transform those suspicions into hard fact. I suspect we only know 10% of the details relating to that day. However, I'm aware that the US government has lied on many occasions since, so it is not inconceivable that they lied about the attacks in NYC. But I'm also wary of the fact that many theories and speculations have been put forward by skeptics that do not hold up to close scrutiny.
If you want a gut reaction, WTC7 looks like a controlled demolition. When I say that, I can only compare it to other demolitions I have witnessed (mostly on TV). It could be that things happened exactly as explained by FEMA. I'm not in a position to judge scientifically. Like every lay person I am forced to accept that FEMA's version of events represents the official line and it is highly unlikely that any genuine investigation will ever be conducted to provide conclusive proof.
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Please sign the petition to prosecute War Criminal Tony Blair | | | | Guest-43f8 | | Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2003 2:15 am Post subject: Re: 2 Anglo |
| | Guest-3efd wrote: |
Meranda,
I'm not an engineer so all I can say is that I found the entire chain of events on 11/9, from start to finish, deeply suspicious. In most cases I don't have the expertise in relevant fields to transform those suspicions into hard fact. I suspect we only know 10% of the details relating to that day. However, I'm aware that the US government has lied on many occasions since, so it is not inconceivable that they lied about the attacks in NYC. But I'm also wary of the fact that many theories and speculations have been put forward by skeptics that do not hold up to close scrutiny.
If you want a gut reaction, WTC7 looks like a controlled demolition. When I say that, I can only compare it to other demolitions I have witnessed (mostly on TV). It could be that things happened exactly as explained by FEMA. I'm not in a position to judge scientifically. Like every lay person I am forced to accept that FEMA's version of events represents the official line and it is highly unlikely that any genuine investigation will ever be conducted to provide conclusive proof. |
And how would that controlled demolition have been done? Where would the explosives have been placed? | | | | Meranda | | Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2003 3:01 am Post subject: 2 Anglo |
| Anglo: I'm curious, did you download the nerdcities stuff.
It is quite well presented.
I think the stuff on Israel/Palestine is very interesting.
I now have lots of online books to read. | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2003 3:12 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | And how would that controlled demolition have been done? Where would the explosives have been placed? |
You tell us, Mutt. You're the engineer aren't you? Go ahead.
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