| Author | Message | | Guest | |  | | Alpha | | Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 9:53 am Post subject: Israel-Firsters... |
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Date: 1/17/03 7:59:14 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: forest215
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The Real Reasons the US Will Invade Iraq
Good article. Very important.
In addition to Chickenhawks, I think you should call them Israel Firsters.
These people are traitors, but the average American doesn't realize their first allegiance is to a foreign country.
It would also be helpful to identify the ones, like Ari Fleischer, who have spent time in the Israeli army.
Alex | | | | Alpha | | | | Alpha | | | | Alpha | | | | Alpha | | Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 10:53 am Post subject: JINSA Zionists in BUSH Regime Want No Second UN Resolution.. |
| http://www.msnbc.com/news/842500.asp?0cv=CA00
Jan. 17 ? The past day in Iraq has seen the discovery of chemical warheads, a defiant speech by Saddam Hussein and protests in the streets. NBC's Patricia Sabga reports.
NBC NEWS AND NEWS SERVICES
Jan. 17 — The United States escalated its rhetorical standoff with Iraq on Friday, calling the discovery of chemical warheads “troubling” and making it clear that despite European calls for caution, Washington does not believe a second U.N. resolution would be required to launch military action against Saddam Hussein’s regime. U.N. officials were due in Baghdad on Sunday to confront Iraq about gaps in information it has provided about its arsenal.
“THE FACT that Iraq is in possession of undeclared chemical warheads, which the United Nations says are in excellent condition, is troubling and serious,” White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said of the 12 devices discovered Thursday by U.N. weapons inspectors in bunkers about 75 miles south of Baghdad. “Under the U.N. resolution, Saddam has an obligation to disarm. It has become increasingly clear that he is not doing so,” he said.
U.S. experts have double-checked last year’s weapons declaration by Iraq and found no record of the 12 missile warheads, U.S. officials said.
U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell reiterated the U.S. position that it has all the authority it needs to proceed with an attack on Iraq should it decide to do so.
Washington was paying close attention to calls by other nations for a second U.N. resolution before any attack, but “we have always made clear that the U.S. will act without a second resolution, if we are of the firm opinion that Iraq still has weapons of mass destruction or wants to produce new ones,” Powell said in an interview with the German daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung.
On the USS Constellation, the chief of naval operations described how the U.S. military would respond if the call comes: “Hit fast, hit hard, hit with precision,” said Adm. Vern Clark.
A number of key nations, including France, Turkey and Germany have said that any attack should be preceded by a new U.N. resolution.
The Iraqi government says it no longer has any chemical, biological or nuclear weapons and submitted a 12,000-page declaration to the United Nations last month that it said proved its case.
BLIX, ELBARADEI DUE IN IRAQ
But the chiefs of the inspection teams — Hans Blix of the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, and Mohammed ElBaradei of the International Atomic Energy Agency — have said Iraq’s declaration is incomplete and fails to support its claims.
Blix and ElBaradei will travel to Baghdad for talks Sunday and Monday, and are expected to ask the Iraqis to fill in gaps in the arms declaration.
Blix said Friday he was unsure if the 12 rocket warheads found Thursday were already listed in Iraq’s 12,000-page declaration. But he said he did not think the discovery would lead the United States to attack.
“You better ask Mr. Bush himself; however, what I see from the American reaction is that they too would like to have a little further information about it, and so I’m not so worried,” Blix said.
Despite growing American impatience, Blix and ElBaradei have asked for more time to determine whether Iraq is complying with agreements to disarm banned weapons before launching into military action.
“If we can avoid that, even spending a few more months to complete our job, it is time well spent,” said Elbaradei.
In a related development, a senior U.S. official told The Washington Post that documents on Iraq’s past nuclear weapons program that U.N. inspectors seized from Iraqi physicist Faleh Hassan this week have been sent to the headquarters of ElBaradei’s IAEA in Vienna for translation and analysis, the Post reported in its Saturday editions.
U.N. arms experts say that technical data on Saddam’s previous efforts to build an atomic weapon were missing from Iraq’s December declaration.
RALLYING A NATION
Meantime, Saddam showed no sign of backing down.
On Friday, marking the 12th anniversary of the start of the Gulf War, Saddam warned in a 40-minute speech that any attempt to conquer his nation would end in failure. Saddam made no reference to the United Nations. Instead, he sought to rally the nation that is being surrounded by growing numbers of U.S. troops by the day.
“The people of Baghdad have resolved to compel the Mongols of this age to commit suicide on its walls,” Saddam said, referring to the United States. “Everyone who tries to climb over its walls ... will fail in his attempt.”
He said the Iraqi nation was fully mobilized against the threat of a new conflict and told President Bush to “keep your evil away from the mother of civilization.”
“The whole nation will rise in defense of its right to live,” Saddam said. “Their [aggressors’] arrows will go astray or backfire, God willing.”
APPEAL TO ARAB WORLD
In an appeal for Arab support, Saddam said “Western peoples and circles” had long interfered with the nations of the Middle East, “in particular Zionist Jews and Zionists who are not of the Jewish people.”
“Long live Palestine, free and Arab, from the [Mediterranean] sea to the [Jordan] river,” he said.
Saddam didn’t refer to Bush by name but alluded to him as Hologu, the grandson of Genghis Khan, who destroyed Baghdad and killed its ruler in 1258.
On Jan. 17, 1991, a U.S.-led coalition launched devastating air attacks against Baghdad and other Iraqi cities, opening Operation Desert Storm, which drove Iraqi invaders out of Kuwait.
Saddam has depicted the events of 1991 as a victory because Iraq stood up to a superpower and because his regime managed to survive invasion and subsequent uprisings.
MORE INSPECTIONS
The anniversary did not hinder U.N. weapons inspectors, who pressed on with their task to determine if Iraq has disarmed as it maintains.
The inspection teams made their most significant find Thursday when a dozen 122 mm warheads were found in bunkers built in the late 1990s at the Ukhaider Ammunition Storage Area, 75 miles south of Baghdad. The team examined one of the warheads with X-ray equipment and took away samples for chemical testing.
U.S. officials told NBC News that the warheads were not at the Ukhaider complex, which was bombed during the 1991 Gulf War and is well-known to weapons inspectors, during U.N. inspections conducted in 1996 and 1997. During those inspections, Iraqis told U.N. officials that mustard gas filled munitions, including artillery shells, had once been at the complex.
While the artillery rockets are evidence of an Iraqi weapons program, they may not amount to a “smoking gun” unless some sort of chemical agent is also detected, said U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Lt. Gen. Hossam Mohammed Amin, the chief Iraqi liaison officer to the inspection teams, said they were short-range shells imported in 1988 and mentioned in Iraq’s report of its arms. He expressed “astonishment” over what he called “no more than a storm in a teacup.” | | | | Alpha | | Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 11:33 am Post subject: "Hardball" Mentions JINSA Zionist Extremists Perle |
| "Hardball with Chris Matthews" national television program in the USA from this past Wednesday:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/860226.asp
Senator Joseph Biden is a pro-Israel lackey who heads the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (as JINSA Zionist extremists Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz are mentioned below as well);
MATTHEWS: Anyway, let’s come back and talk about something even hotter than war.
BIDEN: Let’s solve that problem.
MATTHEWS: And who’s going to fight this war? The poor black kids or the kids sitting here? We’re going to come back and talk about that when we come back on HARDBALL.
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MATTHEWS: Coming up, Senator Joe Biden on the conflicts of North Korea and in Iraq. Has President Bush made the world a more dangerous place? Back in a moment with the HARDBALL “College Tour”.
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MATTHEWS: OK we’re back. Let’s go back to the University of Delaware and we’re talking about affirmative action. It’s an even hotter issue in America today. Everybody here is a free American with a choice to make. I want to ask you right now, how many people in this room, and make your voices heard, support a war with Iraq now?
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MATTHEWS: I want every one of you who supported the war in that applause to tell me how many of you by standing up are going to participate in this war.
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MATTHEWS: Applaud now-applaud if you’re participating in the war.
Applaud if you’re participating in the war.
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MATTHEWS: OK, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.
OK, you guys are ROTC?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: National Guard.
MATTHEWS: National Guard. OK, thank you very much. My point being, Senator, that these so-called opinion polls that ask people if they support this war don’t mean crap, because it doesn’t ask people to do anything. They just say, oh, sure, I’m being for a war. Who’s fighting the war, by the way?
Doesn’t it bother you that the college kids in this country, unlike our generation, have to-they don’t have to deal with this war? It’s just a thought. It’s a video game to a lot of people in this room and to us. It’s just a war as an idea.
Do you think we should have some sort of mandatory national service as Charlie Rangel has supported, the congressman from New York and as Lindsey Graham, the senator from South Carolina, suggested on our show last night? Some kind of requirement that if we’re going to have a war, everybody participates.
BIDEN: The answer is no, and let me explain why no. We have a volunteer army that is essentially reflective of the population right now. It is. Let’s get this straight. Let’s get the numbers straight. The numbers are that roughly 10-12 percent of the population is African American, and about the same is Hispanic or Latino. In the United States military, it’s about nine percent Hispanic and about 17 percent African American. Roughly one-quarter of the United States military is Latino or African American. Roughly one-quarter of the...
MATTHEWS: How many who are white?
BIDEN: Probably a whole (EXPLETIVE DELETED) of a lot.
MATTHEWS: Right.
BIDEN: Probably-but by the way, as I go all around, and I’ve been in Afghanistan and I’ve been in Kuwait, I’ve been in-excuse me, I’ve been to Afghanistan, Bosnia, I recently was in northern Iraq. Everywhere I go, black, white, or otherwise, these kids have joined in large part because they really think they’re doing something important.
They really think they’re doing something important. They have not joined, in my view, because of purely economic alternatives being unavailable to them. Now, if this economy keeps tanking like it is, if this economy keeps going downhill like it is, we may not give many alternatives to people who are getting out of high school.
MATTHEWS: Does it bother you, Senator, that half the people in this country according to “The Philadelphia Inquirer”, front page this Sunday in a big poll they did for Knight/Ridder, that half the people in this country are wrong about the facts. They believe that Iraqi nationals, Iraqi citizens, were among the suicide bombers on September 11 of 2001, a fundamental mistake. They think Iraq attacked us, and there’s no evidence they did. Doesn’t it bother you, that kind...
BIDEN: It does bother me a great deal...
MATTHEWS: ... lack of information?
BIDEN: You and I have talked about this before. I had a long conversation with the president of the United States in the presence of about 12 of my colleagues. He made a personal commitment to me that if he was going to go in Iraq, he would do what has not been done yet, and that is go on national television and tell the American people what was going to be asked of them.
MATTHEWS: Right.
BIDEN: Tell them the facts. He has not...
MATTHEWS: Right.
BIDEN: ... done that yet.
MATTHEWS: Let’s come back and talk about that. Senator Joe Biden says the president has to explain this war. Unfortunately, the more people know the less they’re for it. We’ll be right back with HARDBALL.
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MATTHEWS: Senator Biden, a big question, a lot of people, and you know more than I know, you know a lot and you probably can’t tell us, but it looks like we might be going to war next month, that’s February, late in the month. What evidence do you need to see from the president that will say to you as the representative of this state, we’ve got to go to war.
BIDEN: I’ve seen the evidence the president has. What I think we have to do is make sure that we go to war, if we go to war, with the support of the United Nations and the reason for that is not that we’d need them to win the war, but we need them for the decade after the war. Most people don’t realize this is going to cost us tens of billions of dollars.
Mark my words; we’re going to have somewhere between 75 and 100,000 American forces in Iraq for a minimum of three to five years. Initially the president said, no, that won’t be it. Now his military is saying at least 18 months. People-look, the thing-one thing I learned from-when I was here at the university during the Vietnam era is that no matter how well formulated the foreign policy, it cannot be sustained without the informed consent of the American people.
MATTHEWS: OK.
BIDEN: The American people don’t have the information yet.
MATTHEWS: Senator Joe Biden. Back with him to talk about the presidency. Back in a moment after this at the University of Delaware.
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MATTHEWS: This half hour on the HARDBALL “College Tour,” Senator Joe Biden rates the Democratic candidates for president. Can any of them beat George Bush? Back in a moment from the University of Delaware, but first, the news.
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MATTHEWS: We’re back. I don’t think Trent Lott could have jumped that high.
SEN. JOE BIDEN (D) DELAWARE: Both ways.
MATTHEWS: At Ole Miss. We’re going to go down there some day with me and have him answer some of these questions.
BIDEN: This is a great place to be. Let’s get to a couple of questions because this is a serious time and it is a democracy in our country. Senator Biden represents the state but you folks are all voters as students. Everybody votes here?
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MATTHEWS: I’ll put the question to you and then I’ll put it to the senator. Two simple questions. Do you think there is enough evidence now that the president has presented to the country to go to war with Iraq? Applaud if you think so.
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MATTHEWS: Applaud if you don’t think so.
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MATTHEWS: All right. I think the nays have it. Let me ask you about the bigger question, which is something that the senator I will now ask him about, is the United Nations because he brought that. Should this be a multilateral action endorsed by the United Nations if we go to Iraq or can it be-first question, should the United States go it alone? How many want us to go as part of an international organization?
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MATTHEWS: The commander in chief thanks to the votes of many Democratic senators and Republicans, including yours, has the authority to decide this without your approval. He can simply sign the provisions of the resolution passed by the United States Senate last fall that he can take any actions which protects U.S. security vis-a-vis Iraq. Can he, do you believe politically, make this move without the support of the United Nations? Can he go it alone?
BIDEN: He can, but he shouldn’t.
MATTHEWS: Does he know that?
BIDEN: I think he does because, remember, — do you remember-I literally remember talking about this on your show. Everybody was saying we’re going to go to war last summer. Because remember Rumsfeld said we would not go to the United Nations. We would not go to Congress. That is when I held all those hearings, remember, and remember the polling data started to change and then Dick Lugar.
And I were beginning to work very closely with the president, trying to make the case that Paul was making to him. The president has made the right decisions, although sometimes belatedly, to do it the right way, and that is under international consensus. That’s a wise way to go and not because we couldn’t do it by ourselves, but because after the fact, we do not want to inherit the wind.
I just came from northern Iraq. I’m one of only two United States senators, Congress or anybody, who has ever been up there. Let me tell you something. This is going to be like putting Humpty Dumpty back together again. There is a town called Mosel (ph) where all the oil is. Guess what? They’ve been trying to Arabize it, kicking all the Kurds out for the last 20 years. Guess what? The Kurds want back. This is going to make (UNINTELLIGIBLE) look like a picnic. I don’t want us inheriting all that ourselves.
But Saddam Hussein, if we leave him unfettered, leave him unfettered for another five years, he will with that billion, $200 billion a year, have a nuclear capacity. This is a guy, remember now, this is a guy who started a war of aggression. He got beat after crossing the border and doing damage to another independent country.
The condition for him staying in power, the treaty in effect he signed with the whole world was he would get rid of his nuclear weapons. Now what do you say in the future if, in fact, we, the world, do not enforce that? What do you and I say? It’s just like you sign a peace agreement. You clearly violate it. The whole world knows it and you are doing bad things. Now, what’s the deal here? The deal is this is the world’s problem. We should be smart enough to keep it the world’s problem. And if we keep it the world’s problem, we’ll get this done the right way.
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MATTHEWS: Senator, if you were-you have been around the world as chairman-you have been the leader of the Democrats. You’re the top Democrat in foreign affairs in the whole country right now. If you were sitting in an Arab cafe-I often imagine this question. You are sitting with a 25-year-old guy or woman, a well educated Cairo kid who is pro-American because he wants to get ahead in the world. He’d like to come over here if he hasn’t already and you are sitting, having a cup of coffee with this guy and he says to you, I know what you are up to. This has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction. You got a bunch of ideologues around the president, a lot of guys like Paul Wolfowitz whose real goal here is to encircle the Palestinians, grab Iraq.
And you’ve already got Afghanistan, and you build up and restructure the middle east and this is really about mideast politics. It is about power and you guys are colonialists. You want to help out Israel. You want to grab back the power the west lost years ago in the middle east. I don’t want you colonizing Afghanistan. I don’t want you colonizing Iraq. I don’t like the fact you’re always on Israel’s side. What do you say to that guy. He’s an Arab? He’s up for grabs. What do you say to him?
BIDEN: What I say to that guy is you are right about some people in the administration. But the president’s heart and mind is up for grabs here. This is the most divided administration of seven presidents I have served with. The ideological divide between Powell at the State Department and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and Pearl in the background...
MATTHEWS: You jumped in on Powell’s side and got him involved in bringing this into the United Nations. The hawks around the president, Rumsfeld didn’t want to go to the U.N.
BIDEN: Absolutely right.
MATTHEWS: Tell me if you can keep that up. Can you keep the pressure on the president to stick with Powell and not with the hawks?
BIDEN: Well, I don’t know I’d call it pressure. I hope I can keep the persuasion up. For the president, at the end of the day, even though he uses all this sort of hard edge, right-wing rhetoric, which uses up a lot of capital worldwide, he’s ended up making the right decision before he pulled the trigger. Remember, he wasn’t going to go to Afghanistan, He was going to go straight to Iraq.
Remember those plans. He in fact listened. He listened. And so I believe that is it is important that I — I get in trouble with Democrats because I weigh in with the administration, one part of the administration to try to convince the president of a point of view that is not only shared by me, but by the Dick Lugars of the world, Senator Lugar of Indiana and Mr. Powell, Mr. Hagel and so I just think that I have an obligation, an obligation to push as hard as I can to keep us in that track.
MATTHEWS: Do you think he’s got a little bit of problem with control of his own operation? The president gives speeches about the axis of evil. He calls, he goes over and calls the North Korean president a pygmy. He says, I’m sick and tired-a lot of this lingo is driven to him it seems to me. Would you have ever given an axis of evil speech naming all these countries we hate?
BIDEN: I would hope I wouldn’t. The reason I wouldn’t. Look, believe me, I’ve made some serious mistakes. Let me explain what I mean by...
MATTHEWS: You never started a war.
BIDEN: That’s right. Thank God. Well, actually, if you read in some of these books, I am credited or blamed for starting the war in Bosnia for pushing so hard on the president to go to war and use force in Bosnia as well as in Kosovo.
MATTHEWS: Well, that was raging when you got there.
BIDEN: Well, that’s true. But here’s the deal. It seems to me that the president of the United States-foreign policy is new to him. I’m not being wise guy. Look, we have been there a long time. Four presidents have been governors. They all do the same thing, Chris. They bring in one from the left and one from the right because they don’t know what they think and they assume if they argue it out, they’ll figure it out. He is in the process of working his way through this process.
And I know nobody believes that. Nobody believes it in my caucus. No one believes it in my caucus when I make the case to Democratic senators, look, let’s weigh in and try to persuade him to move the direction that half his administration wants him to move. And look the bottom line of all this is that it is a very serious mistake. Let me put it this way-
Helmut Schmidt back when Jimmy Carter was president, he wouldn’t speak to Carter and remember Helmut Schmidt, chancellor of Germany.
So he sent me over to talk to him. For some reason he liked him. And I was sitting at this little conference table, no bigger than four chairs and he’s a chain smoker. He pounded the table and said, Joe, you just don’t understand. Every time America sneezes, Europe catches a cold. I think presidents have to understand words matter. They matter.
MATTHEWS: Let’s bring in the next call (ph). Thank you. Let’s hear from this young man.
STUDENT: I turn 18 a week from today.
BIDEN: Congratulations.
STUDENT: Thanks.
MATTHEWS: Are you a Democrat or Republican?
STUDENT: Republican.
MATTHEWS: OK.
BIDEN: I’m leaving.
[laughing]
STUDENT: That’s what my dad says. I was wondering if you’re going to support reinstating the draft?
BIDEN: No. Not now. I may-I may, by the way, if, in fact, we end up so extended, which this-if they listen to the Rumsfelds of the world, we may get so overextended around the world that a volunteer army cannot do this. I am not opposed to-back in the late 1980’s with Sam Nunn introduced a bill that you all won’t like, but I want to remind you of it and that is for national service.
You got to choose between going into the military, doing domestic work or doing foreign work in like the Peace Corps because I thought every American should be obliged to participate. You know what? This generation is ready to participate. You are the most volunteering generation in the world in our history. You are the next-you’re going to be the greatest generation. And the reason I say that-I ‘m not joking.
MATTHEWS: No, ours was the greatest generation.
BIDEN: No, it wasn’t. These kids are...
MATTHEWS: We had the 1960’s. Come on. You can’t beat them.
BIDEN: They are smarter...
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BIDEN: These kids are smarter, they’re smarter than we were. And they know more than we knew. And the bottom line for all this is, folks, hey, look, you all-we have a missed opportunity. After 9/11, the president of the United States spent the...
MATTHEWS: We’re coming back with more. More questions and more endorsements. Senator Joe Biden will endorse one of the candidates for president when we return. More HARDBALL coming up | | | | Alpha | | Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2003 11:37 am Post subject: George Washington: Avoid Passionate Attachments (Israel) |
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