| Author | Message | | *Mutt American | | Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 6:04 am Post subject: |
| Add these polls to the mix...
CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. Latest: Dec. 9-10, 2002. MoE ± 3 (total sample).
"Do you think Iraq currently has weapons of mass destruction, is trying to develop these weapons but does not currently have them, or is not trying to develop weapons of mass destruction?"
Currently Has 63%
Trying To Develop 28%
Not Trying To Develop 4%
No Opinion 5%
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Latest: Dec. 3-4, 2002. MoE ± 3.
"If Iraq has or if it were to obtain nuclear weapons, do you believe Iraq would attempt to use them against the United States?"
Yes 73%
No 17%
Not Sure 10%
The Gallup Poll. Latest: Dec. 5-8, 2002. MoE ± 5.
"Thinking about one year from now, do you think the United States will definitely be at war with Iraq, probably be at war, probably NOT be at war, or definitely NOT be at war with Iraq?"
Definitely At War 18%
Probably At War 56%
Probably Not at War 20%
Definitely Not at War 3%
NoOpinion 3%
CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. Latest: Dec. 9-10, 2002. MoE ± 3
"If the Bush Administration says it has evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq AND the UN inspectors say they have not found any evidence of these weapons, who would you be more likely to believe: [rotate] the Bush Administration or the United Nations' inspectors?"
Bush Administration 52%
UN Inspectors 36%
Both Equally 4%
Neither 3%
No Opinion 5%
What those numbers mean is that American are expecting the UN to live up to their obligation and ACT! (I guess some of us CAN be gullible) | |  | | Guest | | Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 6:18 am Post subject: |
| | *Mutt American wrote: | Add these polls to the mix...
CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. Latest: Dec. 9-10, 2002. MoE ± 3 (total sample).
"Do you think Iraq currently has weapons of mass destruction, is trying to develop these weapons but does not currently have them, or is not trying to develop weapons of mass destruction?"
Currently Has 63%
Trying To Develop 28%
Not Trying To Develop 4%
No Opinion 5%
FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Latest: Dec. 3-4, 2002. MoE ± 3.
"If Iraq has or if it were to obtain nuclear weapons, do you believe Iraq would attempt to use them against the United States?"
Yes 73%
No 17%
Not Sure 10%
The Gallup Poll. Latest: Dec. 5-8, 2002. MoE ± 5.
"Thinking about one year from now, do you think the United States will definitely be at war with Iraq, probably be at war, probably NOT be at war, or definitely NOT be at war with Iraq?"
Definitely At War 18%
Probably At War 56%
Probably Not at War 20%
Definitely Not at War 3%
NoOpinion 3%
CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. Latest: Dec. 9-10, 2002. MoE ± 3
"If the Bush Administration says it has evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq AND the UN inspectors say they have not found any evidence of these weapons, who would you be more likely to believe: [rotate] the Bush Administration or the United Nations' inspectors?"
Bush Administration 52%
UN Inspectors 36%
Both Equally 4%
Neither 3%
No Opinion 5%
What those numbers mean is that American are expecting the UN to live up to their obligation and ACT! (I guess some of us CAN be gullible) |
Factor this in - Goyim Americans: 97.1%
Jews in America: 2.9%
The goyim are not going to remain dumb goyim, forever. The ONLY enthusiasts for launching a pre-emptive attack on "the tactical pivot" toothless tiger Iraq represents are JEWS. (aided & abetted by Jewish-dominated media)
Subliminal it may be, but no small part of the 2/3 of Americans unconvinced of the urgency of war is passive resistance against being a party to MORE Zionist Genocide. | | | | *MA | | Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 6:21 am Post subject: |
| | You watch and see... | | | | LeFrenchman | | Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2002 8:00 am Post subject: |
| | *MA wrote: | | You watch and see... |
Yogi Berra: You can see a lot by listening. | | | | Guest | | Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2002 10:13 am Post subject: California in debt 35 billion - Zionists to get 14 bill... |
| California in debt 35 billion - Zionists to get 14 bill...
Amazing that we will give to Israel but what about our own here????
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Will the United States government turn over loan guarantees and/or free loans (never to be repaid) to the Zionist Reich that has the world on the edge of World War III, while California is 35 billion in debt, and United Airlines goes bankrupt and is denied loan guarantees? Will they let the abominations against Judaism, Richard Perle, Dov Zackheim, Joe Lieberman, Elliot Abrams (son-in-law of Norman Podhoretz), Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and the Christian Zionists push this through??
David Goldman
California Budget Shortfall Nears $35 Billion
Dec. 18
— By Michael Kahn
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California's budget deficit has ballooned to a staggering $34.8 billion, Gov. Gray Davis announced on Wednesday, leaving the nation's most populous state in a much bigger fiscal crisis than expected.
Davis, a Democrat, said the deficit over the next 18 months is up from a previously estimated $21 billion mainly because of a nosedive in personal income tax revenues, which make up a healthy portion of revenues flowing into the state treasury.
The size of the deficit, about $1,000 for each of the states 34 million residents, is bigger than the entire budget of most other U.S states and will make it difficult for lawmakers to find ways to fund critical state programs.
"(It) is far more than any expert predicted," Davis told reporters.
California, like many U.S. states, is mired in a fiscal crisis due to the slack economy and weak stock market, which have dried up revenues flowing into state coffers.
Davis made his announcement after meeting with top legislative leaders to discuss the shortfall that has already forced the governor to propose $10.2 billion in spending cuts effecting just about every state program.
The biggest cuts include $3 billion from education and $2 billion from Health and Human Services -- reductions that could leave an estimated 200,000 residents without health coverage under the state Medi-Cal program.
Davis plans to unveil his budget plan for fiscal 2003-04 on Jan. 17. But the state's precarious position has already forced him to call a special session of the state Legislature this month to start dealing with the fiscal emergency.
Davis did not include tax increases in his initial proposal, but he has suggested new taxes may be needed when he issues his budget plan in January.
This will likely stir up fierce debate among lawmakers who have been at loggerheads over how to address the shortfall. Republicans have called for reduced spending while Democrats urge tax hikes in order to preserve important state programs.
The governor declined to give specifics about the new budget plan but acknowledged he would not be able to rely on many of the one-time options used to clear up a $23.6 billion budget shortfall last year.
"Now we are faced with a very different situation and you will see when I make my budget plan in January we will have a very different response."
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| | Funny how the "cost analysis" forgets that Israel purchases alot from us. Last year alone it was $7,500,000,000. More than most of the Arab contries COMBINED, and more than ANY Arab country. | | | | Guest | | Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2002 12:25 am Post subject: ECONOMIST TALLIES SWELLING COST OF ISRAEL TO US |
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ECONOMIST TALLIES SWELLING COST OF ISRAEL TO US
By David R. Francis
Staff Writer The Christian Science Monitor 12-9-02
Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If
divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.
This is an estimate by Thomas Stauffer, a consulting economist in
Washington. For decades, his analyses of the Middle East scene have
made him a frequent thorn in the side of the Israel lobby.
For the first time in many years, Mr. Stauffer has tallied the total
cost to the US of its backing of Israel in its drawn-out, violent
dispute with the Palestinians. So far, he figures, the bill adds up to
more than twice the cost of the Vietnam War.
And now Israel wants more. In a meeting at the White House late last
month, Israeli officials made a pitch for $4 billion in additional
military aid to defray the rising costs of dealing with the intifada
and suicide bombings. They also asked for more than $8 billion in loan
guarantees to help the country's recession-bound economy.
Considering Israel's deep economic troubles, Stauffer doubts the
Israel bonds covered by the loan guarantees will ever be repaid. The
bonds are likely to be structured so they don't pay interest until
they reach maturity. If Stauffer is right, the US would end up paying
both principal and interest, perhaps 10 years out.
Israel's request could be part of a supplemental spending bill that's
likely to be passed early next year, perhaps wrapped in with the cost
of a war with Iraq.
Israel is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. It is already due
to get $2.04 billion in military assistance and $720 million in
economic aid in fiscal 2003. It has been getting $3 billion a year for
years.
Adjusting the official aid to 2001 dollars in purchasing power, Israel
has been given $240 billion since 1973, Stauffer reckons. In addition,
the US has given Egypt $117 billion and Jordan $22 billion in foreign
aid in return for signing peace treaties with Israel.
"Consequently, politically, if not administratively, those outlays are
part of the total package of support for Israel," argues Stauffer in a
lecture on the total costs of US Middle East policy, commissioned by
the US Army War College, for a recent conference at the University of
Maine.
These foreign-aid costs are well known. Many Americans would probably
say it is money well spent to support a beleagured democracy of some
strategic interest. But Stauffer wonders if Americans are aware of the
full bill for supporting Israel since some costs, if not hidden, are
little known.
One huge cost is not secret. It is the higher cost of oil and other
economic damage to the US after Israel-Arab wars.
In 1973, for instance, Arab nations attacked Israel in an attempt to
win back territories Israel had conquered in the 1967 war. President
Nixon resupplied Israel with US arms, triggering the Arab oil embargo
against the US.
That shortfall in oil deliveries kicked off a deep recession. The US
lost $420 billion (in 2001 dollars) of output as a result, Stauffer
calculates. And a boost in oil prices cost another $450 billion.
Afraid that Arab nations might use their oil clout again, the US set
up a Strategic Petroleum Reserve. That has since cost, conservatively,
$134 billion, Stauffer reckons.
Other US help includes:
* US Jewish charities and organizations have remitted grants or bought
Israel bonds worth $50 billion to $60 billion. Though private in
origin, the money is "a net drain" on the United States economy, says
Stauffer.
* The US has already guaranteed $10 billion in commercial loans to
Israel, and $600 billion in "housing loans." Stauffer expects the US
Treasury to cover these.
* The US has given $2.5 billion to support Israel's Lavi fighter and
Arrow missile projects.
* Israel buys discounted, serviceable "excess" US military equipment.
Stauffer says these discounts amount to "several billion dollars" over
recent years.
* Israel uses roughly 40 percent of its $1.8 billion per year in
military aid, ostensibly earmarked for purchase of US weapons, to buy
Israeli-made hardware. It also has won the right to require the
Defense Department or US defense contractors to buy Israeli-made
equipment or subsystems, paying 50 to 60 cents on every defense dollar
the US gives to Israel.
US help, financial and technical, has enabled Israel to become a major
weapons supplier. Weapons make up almost half of Israel's manufactured
exports. US defense contractors often resent the buy-Israel
requirements and the extra competition subsidized by US taxpayers.
* US policy and trade sanctions reduce US exports to the Middle East
about $5 billion a year, costing 70,000 or so American jobs, Stauffer
estimates. Not requiring Israel to use its US aid to buy American
goods, as is usual in foreign aid, costs another 125,000 jobs.
* Israel has blocked some major US arms sales, such as F-15 fighter
aircraft to Saudi Arabia in the mid-1980s. That cost $40 billion over
10 years, says Stauffer.
Stauffer's list will be controversial. He's been assisted in this
research by a number of mostly retired military or diplomatic
officials who do not go public for fear of being labeled anti-Semitic
if they criticize America's policies toward Israel. | | | | Guest | | Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2002 6:33 am Post subject: Billions of US Taxpayer Dollars Should be Spent in US... |
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Regarding the Dec. 9 "Economic Scene" column "Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US" (Work&Money):
If Americans were not constantly subjected to a veritable blitzkreig of pro-Israel propaganda by mainstream press and broadcast news organizations, they might have noticed that, but for the cost of supporting Israel's illegal and brutal occupation of 1967 Palestine, nearly a million unemployed Americans would probably not be losing their unemployment benefits just three days after Christmas.
They might also notice that the Israeli government's request for additional aid, above and beyond the $3 billion to $7 billion it receives annually from American taxpayers, is money that would go a long way toward funding the much-needed repair of America's dilapidated schools (not to mention a host of other infrastructure projects currently on hold), or toward funding prescription drug coverage for older Americans, many of whom must choose between eating and paying bills.
Please continue to publish articles that ask hard questions about the "special relationship" Israel enjoys with the purses and bank accounts of honest, hard-working American taxpayers.
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