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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:53 pm    Post subject: Scott Ritter's Excellent CALTECH Speech on Nov. 13th, 2002

Scott Ritter's Excellent CALTECH Speech on Nov. 13th, 2002


http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/11/26/scott-ritter-s-excellent-caltech-speech-on-nov-13th-2002.php
*Mutt American
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:51 pm    Post subject:

Ritter.

Fired from his UN job and bitter.

Paid by the Arabs.

Next we'll se him in a window in Amsterdam's red light district.
Guest
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:48 am    Post subject: Sharon's war?

Sharon's war?

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/28/sharon-s-war.php
*Mutt American
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:51 am    Post subject:

Guest
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2002 11:22 am    Post subject: Mega Afghan pipeline deal signed

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/29/mega-afghan-pipeline-deal-signed.php
Guest
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2002 6:23 pm    Post subject: cold-blooded Israelis deserve the world reputation they get

cold-blooded Israelis deserve the world reputation they get:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/021203/170/2sqor.html

Palestinian children look from their family home at Israeli soldiers distributing orders to leave houses because they will be demolished soon, in the old town of the West Bank city of Hebron December 3, 2002. Israel plans to demolish 15 Palestinian houses in Hebron to create a secure passage for Jewish worshippers going to pray at a biblical shrine in the divided West Bank city, an official said. The Hebrew slogan at the door reads 'Arabs out. Death to the Arabs.' REUTERS/Nayef Hashlamoun

Israeli treachery against Americans:

http://www.ussliberty.org
*Mutt American
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2002 7:29 pm    Post subject:

Guest
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2002 9:09 am    Post subject: how israel corrupts and controls the us congress and media

AIPAC (Jewish lobbying group composed of American Zionist Jews who for for pro-Israeli US policies) is the forth most influential lobby in the US, yet the ones above it are irrelevent as far as foreign policy goes:
http://www.fortune.com/lists/power25/index.html

Let us see AIPAC's work:
http://www.wrmea.com/html/aipac.htm


Let us look at the resultant support the US gives to Israel:
http://www.sustaincampaign.org/aidchart.html
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/U.S._Assistance_to_Israel1.html
http://www.sustaincampaign.org/FASchart.html
http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/010201/0101015.html
http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/reports/israel050602.html

Of course this is the premise accepted by many Muslims and open-minded people:
http://www.ummah.com/waragainstislam/question.htm

So after all this, see the results in an article by Richard Curtiss as to the cost of Israel to the American people:
http://www.ummah.com/waragainstislam/cost.htm


The real fifth column who brought this mess upon the US are all the organisations under AIPAC and it's supporters who follow it's ideology, you should be blaming them, not Arabs/Muslims who acted as a natural conduit for the naturally expected retaliation which followed, i.e. 9-11 (if Muslims did it).

When you look at those pictures of the collapsing towers, and the people jumping out before they collapsed, think first about the US' biased support for this most unjust of states which was created violating the rights of the natives and which stole the people's lands. Then think about exactly who drives the US to gives it's support for this, as shown above. You shall see that they are amongst you, not the much demonised Arabs or Muslims but the Zionists who work against your national interests.

http://www.ummah.com/waragainstislam/reap.htm


Question: Before the US support of the Jewish state which started in 1947 when the US arm-twisted nations like Greece to support the creation of Israel, was the USA hated by Arabs and Muslims?

This is why the USA did what it did when it supported Israel in 1947 when it's President was Truman:

"I am sorry gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism. I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents.” - President Harry Truman, quoted in “Anti-Zionism”

Think about those Jewish-Zionist organisations all around the USA conspiring to help support and maintain US foreign policy which invites terrorism on the US civilians.


how israel corrupts and controls the us congress and media:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/06/01/how-israel-corrupts-and-controls-the-us-congress-and-media.php


WAKE UP AMERICA: YOUR GOVERNMENT IS HIJACKED BY ZIONISM


http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/09/29/wake-up-america-your-government-is-hijacked-by-zionism.php

Zionists Influencing USA (Britain) to Invade Iraq for Israel:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/12/30/zionists-influencing-usa-britain-to-invade-iraq-for-israel.php
Guest
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2002 10:43 am    Post subject: Oil and Israel

Oil and Israel

Two unspoken reasons why Bush wants to wage war against Iraq
An Iraqi oil worker works at Al-Doura oil refinery Oct. 14 in Baghdad. What role does oil play in any campaign to topple Saddam Hussein?


By Michael Kinsley
SLATE.COM

Oct. 24 — So, why exactly is Iraq different from North Korea? Both are founding members of President Bush’s “axis of evil,” and both deserve that honor. North Korea has now admitted to a nuclear weapons development program on about the same timeline as what we only suspect about Iraq. So, why are we barely complaining in one case and off to war in the other?







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BUSH ADDRESSED this conundrum the other day. “Saddam Hussein is unique,” he explained. “He has thumbed his nose at the world for 11 years … and for 11 years he has said, ‘No, I refuse to disarm.’ ” The North Koreans, by contrast, said, “Yes, we will disarm” — they promised to stop building nukes in exchange for help in developing peaceful nuclear power — and then they didn’t do it. I guess that’s a difference, but it sounds as if we’re punishing Saddam for his honesty.

ULTERIOR MOTIVES
Bush’s public case for going to war against Iraq is full of logical inconsistencies, exaggerations, and outright lies. It reeks of ex-post-facto: First came the desire, and then came the reasons. But this raises a troubling question, especially for opponents of Bush’s policy: If his ostensible reasons are unpersuasive even to him, what are his real reasons? There must be some: Nobody starts a war as a lark. It would be easier to dismiss the whole exercise if there were an obvious ulterior motive. Without one, you are left wondering, “Am I missing something?”



Tariq Aziz has a theory. Saddam Hussein’s deputy told The New York Times this week, “The reason for this warmongering policy toward Iraq is oil and Israel.” Although no one wishes to agree with Tariq Aziz, he has put succinctly what many people in Washington apparently believe. They do not think the concern over potential use of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons is negligible or insincere, but they do think that “oil and Israel” is a pretty good summary of what, for President Bush, makes Iraq different from your run-of-the-mill evil dictatorship. Yet this presumption about Bush, and these issues themselves, barely appear in the flood of speculation and argument about Bush War II.

THE OIL FACTOR
“President Bush” is, of course, a metaphor. Much Washington political commentary and analysis is basically a discussion of what or whom the term “President Bush” is a metaphor for. Is it Karl Rove? Is it still Karen Hughes, although she has decamped? Even more than most presidents, Bush is regarded as the sum total of his advisers. Regarding Iraq, the advisers themselves are also used as metaphors, often in plural to signify a stereotype. “The Cheneys and the Rumsfelds” evokes a retro world of confident white CEOs in suits, oil barons, and the military industrial complex. “The Wolfowitzes and the Richard Perles” evokes — well, you know what it evokes.


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What are these people thinking about today?
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• Michael Moran: War of Words
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The idea that oil is a factor in official thinking about Iraq shouldn’t even be controversial. Protecting oil supplies from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait was an explicit — though disingenuously underemphasized — reason for Bush War I. After all, we couldn’t claim to be fighting to restore democracy to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, let alone Iraq. This time around, the fact that Bush and Cheney are both oil men is suggestive, but the implication is not clear. A war to topple Saddam will raise oil prices in the short run but probably lower them in the longer run by stabilizing the supply. An oil man could have sincerely mixed feelings about these prospects. Surely, though, even a sensible opponent of the war ought to register a steady oil supply as one of the better reasons for it.

SUPPORTING ISRAEL
The lack of public discussion about the role of Israel in the thinking of “President Bush” is easier to understand, but weird nevertheless. It is the proverbial elephant in the room: Everybody sees it, no one mentions it. The reason is obvious and admirable: Neither supporters nor opponents of a war against Iraq wish to evoke the classic anti-Semitic image of the king’s Jewish advisers whispering poison into his ear and betraying the country to foreign interests. But the consequence of this massive “Shhhhhhhhh!” is to make a perfectly valid American concern for a democratic ally in a region of nutty theocracies, rotting monarchies, and worse seem furtive and suspicious.





• The obstacles to peace in the Middle East




Having brought this up, I hasten to add a few self-protective points. The president’s advisors, Jewish and non-Jewish, are patriotic Americans who sincerely believe that the interests of America and Israel coincide. What’s more, they are right about that, though they may be wrong about where that shared interest lies. Among Jewish Americans, including me, there are people who hold every conceivable opinion about war with Iraq with every variation of intensity, including passionate opposition and complete indifference. Jews are undoubtedly overrepresented in what little organized antiwar movement there may be (thus feeding another variant of the anti-Semitic stereotype).
Why and whether an American war against Iraq would be good for Israel is far from clear and is the subject of vigorous debate in Israel itself — but not in America.

A SILENT DEBATE
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Theories range from the mundane to the exotic to the paranoid: Clearing out a neighborhood troublemaker before he gets the bomb is reason enough. Or, deposing Saddam will set off a complex regional chain reaction that will somehow turn the Arab nations into peaceful bourgeois societies. Or, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon actually wants a huge regional conflagration that he can use as an excuse and cover for expelling the Palestinians from the West Bank. In any event, the downside risk for Israel — of carnage, military and civilian — is like America’s, only far greater.
But we’d better not talk about it.


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Michael Kinsley is Slate’s founding editor.






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Iraq
OPEC quota: Iraqi oil production is constrained by
the United Nations' limits on its exports. The U.S.
Energy Information Administration estimates
production at 2,560,00 barrels/day
United Arab Emirates
OPEC quota: 2,289,400 barrels/day
Old quota: 2,219,000 barrels/day
Reserves: 97.8 billion barrels
Minister: Obeid bin Saif Al-Nasiri
Qatar
OPEC quota: 678,800 barrels/day
Old quota: 658,000 barrels/day
Reserves: 3.7 billion barrels
Minister: Abdullah bin Hamad Al-Attiya
Kuwait
OPEC quota: 2,101,000 barrels/day
Old quota: 2,037,000 barrels/day
Reserves: 96.5 billion barrels
Minister: Sheikh Saud Naser Al-Sabah
Saudi Arabia
OPEC quota: 8,512,200 barrels/day
Old quota: 8,253,000 barrels/day
Reserves: 263.5 billion barrels
Minister: Ali bin Ibrahim al-Naimi
Iran
OPEC quota: 3,843,800 barrels/day
Old quota: 3,727,000 barrels/day
Reserves: 89.7 billion barrels
Minister: Bijan Namdar Zaganeh
Indonesia
OPEC quota: 1,358,600 barrels/day
Old quota: 1,317,000 barrels/day
Reserves: 5.0 billion barrels
Minister: Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono
Nigeria
OPEC quota: 2,156,600 barrels/day
Old quota: 2,091,000 barrels/day
Reserves: 22.5 billion barrels
Minister: Rilwanu Lukman
Libya
OPEC quota: 1,404,200 barrels/day
Old quota: 1,361,000 barrels/day
Reserves: 29.5 billion barrels
Minister: Abdullah Salim al-Badri
Algeria
OPEC quota: 836,600 barrels/day
Old quota: 811,000 barrels/day
Reserves: 9.2 billion barrels
Minister: Chakib Khelil
Venezuela
OPEC quota: 3,018,800 barrels/day
Old quota: 2,926,000 barrels/day
Reserves: 72.6 billion barrels
Minister: Ali Rodriguez
Russia
1999 Average Production: 6,074,000 barrels/day
Norway
1999 Average Production: 3,018,000 barrels/day
United Kingdom
1999 Average Production: 2,691,000 barrels/day
China
1999 Average Production: 3,206,000 barrels/day
Oman
1999 Average Production: 900,000 barrels/day
Egypt
1999 Average Production: 852,000 barrels/day
Brazil
1999 Average Production: 1,094,000 barrels/day
Mexico
1999 Average Production: 2,906,000 barrels/day
United States
1999 Average Production: 5,938,000 barrels/day
(preliminary estimate)
Canada
1999 Average Production: 1,905,000 barrels/day
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*Mutt American
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2002 2:13 pm    Post subject:

Good news for the people of Afghanistan! $300,000,000 for their economy plus 12,000 real jobs.

And it's still cheaper for the US to buy oil on the open market than it is to go to war over it.
 

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