| Author | Message | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 7:56 am Post subject: Israeli Mossad Connection to 9/11 & Marines Beirut Bombi |
| Let's talk about the Israeli Mossad agents that were detained (and then later quietly sent back to Israel) as eyewitnesses saw them cheering and videotaping each other in the process as the WTC was burning in the background... The Jewish newspaper in New York ("Forward" from March 15, 2002) confirmed that they were indeed Mossad agents... Why don't we hear more or anything about this in our pro-Israel-biased US press/media? What about the Israeli spy ring story that Carl Cameron did for the Fox News News Channel which none of the other pro-Israel-biased US press/media even touched...? The Israelis knew more than what they conveyed before the 9/11 attack as Carl Cameron mentioned as well in his story for Fox News Channel which you can access at the following URL (due to pro-Israel pressure, the story was pulled from www.foxnews.com)...
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com | |  | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 7:59 am Post subject: |
| The Israelis, several of whom were later identified by their names as Mossad operatives in the March 15 issue of the NY Jewish weekly, Forward, were not exactly dancing but were seen to be laughing and in high spirits as they were taking videos of each other with the burning WTC in the background. An angry neighbor called the cops who treated the Israelis non too pleasantly, and, after allegedly roughing them up a bit, threw them in the hoosegow for a couple of months until their trip back to Israel was arranged. It also turned out that the moving company that they were working for was a Mossad front but the guy running it got back to Israel before he was caught. Of course, the cops at the lower levels don't know that the Israelis are protected at the high levels of the US government. the attack on the USS Liberty being the act that has defined US-Israeli relations since 1967:
http://www.ussliberty.org
If people who disagree ask "what about Jonathan Pollard," it is quite clear that (1) at that time there were folks in Washington who were not that fond of Israel and (2) the last thing the Israeli government has wanted is Pollard to be freed. The man is a loose cannon, with extreme right wing Zionist views, and is more thank likely to give away the family secrets once he would be back on the street.
It seems clear that the Israelis were shadowing the highjackers at least when they were in Florida at the flight school and probably elsewhere and, if nothing else, the placement of the Mossad agents near the WTC would seem to indicate they knew what was going to happen and when. Did they plan it, or have an Arab agent convince those who carried it out to do it? None of us can say, for sure. Surely, they benefited from 9/11, as even Netanyahu admitted almost immediately afterward. At this moment, the two governments are so entwined, and since it is quite evident that the Bush administration received a kick start from 9/11 which now enables the US to do whatever it pleases and to whom with most of the world terrified into acquiescence, it is too much to believe they are simply taking advantage of an unforeseen situation.
Re Iraq, I don't think Hussein has really ever been a threat to Israel. he talks a better game than he performs. Just before the Gulf War, Rabin was negotiating with Saddam over a deal in which Iraq would be willing to take in the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees from Lebanon, Jordan, Syria etc. Israel's real fear or target is Iran, and Israel hopes that the US will go after Iran next. Israel is still suffering from the humiliation of having its vaunted IDF forced to retreat from Lebanon after a well deserved ass-whipping by Hezbollah which the Israelis like to blame on Iran.
Jeff | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 8:05 am Post subject: The Secret history of the Mossad |
| I would like to bring to your attention a recent book entitled "Gideons Spies"-The Secret history of the Mossad--by Gordon Thomas--ISBN0-312-25284-6.
On page 87, the author relates how in Aug. of 1983-Mossad agents discovered that an attack was being planned against U.S. forces in Beirut, but did not pass the info on to the C.I.A. or any U.S.Agency to alert the base. At Mossad Headquarters the comment was made that "the Yanks can do their own watching etc etc!!!! On Oct 23, 1983, 249 Marines of the 8th Marine Battalion died thanks to our "ally". I think the victims' families should be made aware of this treachery,"ally"-- I think yhe victims' families should be made aware of this treachery, and petition their Congressional reps to stop all financial & military aid to this double crossing "ally"-- | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 8:19 am Post subject: Israeli "Black Propaganda" Operations.. |
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http://www.mediamonitors.net/gillespie1.html | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 8:21 am Post subject: Israeli Spy Ring Story (the Story that Won't GO AWAY) |
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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html | | | | Guest | | | | Guest | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2002 8:55 am Post subject: Israeli Treachery against USA with USS Liberty Attack |
| REMEMBER THE USS LIBERTY
This is in rememberance to our valiant American naval men who lost their precious lives in a brutal attack on the USS Liberty June 8,1967. Also, to the brave men who were wounded and kept the Liberty from sinking. Israel didn't expect such a formidable effort as our naval men showed them that day.
Israel Attack On USS Liberty
'No Accident' Says Helms
By Bryant Jordan Staff Writer
Marine Corps Times
From Navy Times
7-7-2
Thirty-five years after Israeli air and naval forces attacked a lightly armed U.S. Navy spy ship during the Arab-Israeli Six-Day War, the CIA director at the time and the legal counsel to the Navy's court of inquiry say the attack was deliberate. "It was no accident," former CIA director Richard Helms said May 29, bucking that agency's June 13, 1967, report that indicated the incident could have been a mistake. Retired Navy legal counsel Capt. Ward Boston says he and the court's president, the late Rear Adm. Isaac "Ike" Kidd, always believed Israeli forces knowingly attacked the Liberty. "I feel the Israelis knew what they were doing. They knew they were shooting at a U.S. Navy ship," said Boston, who lives in Coronado, Calif. "That's the bottom line. I don't care how they tried to get out of it." The attack killed 34 men and wounded 172 others, and sparked a long-running controversy: Did Israel knowingly try to sink the American ship or did it believe the ship was an Egyptian vessel? Officially, the Navy exonerated Israel on June 18, 1967 - 10 days after the attack - when the Navy court of inquiry found that available evidence indicated the attack was a case of mistaken identity. THE COURT OF INQUIRY Boston said Kidd told him he believed the attack was deliberate and that the Israelis knew the ship was American. That flies in the face of the findings of Kidd's court, and also what the author of a new book on the Liberty says Kidd told him in interviews in the early 1990s. A. Jay Cristol, a federal judge in Florida and retired Navy aviator who also served in the service's Judge Advocate General's Corps, is the author of the upcoming "The Liberty Incident." "Kidd told me an entirely different story," said Cristol, whose new book is dedicated to Kidd, who died in 1999. Cristol said that during one interview with Kidd in December 1990, Kidd related that when he brought the court's report to then-Chief of Naval Operations Adm. David Lamar McDonald, the CNO asked him, "Ike, was it intentional?" "Ike said, 'No, Admiral,'" Cristol recalled. But Boston remembers that when Kidd returned from Washington, he said officials were not interested in hearing the truth. "In military life, you accept the fact that if you're told to shut up, you shut up. We did what we were told," Boston said. He explained that he is willing to talk now because "everyone else is shooting their mouth off." Boston said he does not know whether his beliefs were shared by the other members of the court, Capts. Bert M. Atkinson Jr. and Bernard J. Lauff. Lauff could not be located for comment. Atkinson died in 1999. But Boston's statements do put him now in the camp of retired Adm. Merlin Staring, who as a captain and staff legal officer in London was initially told to review the court's report. Staring said June 3 that the report was taken from him before he finished his review, but based on what he had seen, the evidence did not support the contention that the attack was an accident. Staring concedes he still has not read the entire report. Staring, who went on to become the Navy's top JAG officer, is now part of a newly formed Liberty Alliance, which includes former CNO and Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Thomas Moorer and two Marine Medal of Honor recipients, Gen. Ray Davis and Col. Mitchell Paige. The group wants a full congressional investigation into the attack and is lobbying military organizations, including the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the American Legion, hoping to garner support among their members, said Tito Howard, the group's executive director. SURVIVORS ALLEGE CONSPIRACY Many Liberty survivors and their supporters long have maintained that the attack was deliberate and that the Kidd report excluded testimony from crew members that would have shown that. Boston recalled that testimony was taken from crew members who said the Israelis fired on life rafts when they were put into the water. The court's report includes testimony indicating the shooting of the life rafts was incidental, occurring when the ship was strafed by Israeli jets. Some allege Israel wanted the spy ship sunk to ensure it did not pick up communications showing Israel was planning to seize the Golan Heights from Syria. Others say it was to prevent Liberty from intercepting communications dealing with an alleged Israeli massacre of Egyptian POWs in the Sinai. Some Liberty survivors and supporters claim the U.S. government covered up the incident to avoid a conflict with Israel that could have cost the Johnson administration support among Jewish voters and supporters. Subsequent administrations and Congresses have avoided a thorough airing of the incident for the same reasons, they say. But Cristol says there have been 10 U.S. investigations, ranging from the court of inquiry and the CIA's report to several conducted by House and Senate committees. Five drew no conclusions regarding Israel, according to a list compiled by Cristol, while others accepted that it was an accident. The most recent official look at the incident was in 1991, when the House Armed Services subcommittee on investigations found no evidence to support the Liberty survivors' claim that Israel attacked the ship deliberately. REPORTS AND RECOLLECTIONS The CIA's report, the earliest of those assembled, held open the possibility that the attack was a case of mistaken identity - the finding that the Kidd court went on to make five days later - though it did not present that as a conclusion. In the June 13, 1967, report, the CIA stated that "an overzealous pilot" could have mistaken the Liberty for an Egyptian ship, the El Quesir. Helms, the former CIA director, declined to discuss the incident at length. "I've done all I can. I don't want to spend the rest of my life in court" testifying about the incident, he said. Mike Weeks, a naval aviation writer and amateur historian who studied the official Navy communications that occurred during and after the attack and believes it was an accident, said there is more information on the Liberty still classified and believes the government should release all of it. "Just put it out there and see how it flows," he said. "The bottom line, all this stuff ought to be let loose, for heaven's sake." ___ Bryant Jordan is a staff writer for Marine Corps Times. Should Congress reopen the investigation into the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty? The Israelis claim the attack was a mistake; some veterans contend it was deliberate. As of 8:40 PDT Sunday, 67% say YES.
http://members.aol.com/w4lmk/sdari/
http://www.ussliberty.org
Body of Secrets
provides new Liberty revelations
http://www.ussliberty.org/margolis.txt
A report based on eyewitness accounts from the Israeli press
http://www.ussliberty.org/washrp96.txt
Liberty web sites by other USS Liberty crewmen
http://www.ussliberty.org/crewsite.htm
Memorials to our lost shipmates
http://www.ussliberty.org/memorial.txt
Awards and Medals
http://www.ussliberty.org/awards.htm
Annual Ceremony by No Greater Love
http://www.ussliberty.org/greater.htm
Did Israel commit one war crime to after another?
http://www.ussliberty.org/washrp96.txt
Statement by JCS Chairman Admiral Thomas H. Moorer
http://www.ussliberty.org/moorer3.txt
Charley Reese reviews new book about USS Liberty
http://www.ussliberty.org/reese.htm
New evidence on USS Liberty:
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/10/31/new-evidence-on-uss-liberty.php
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US/UN Double Standard When It Comes to Israel
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/09/15/us-un-double-standard-when-it-comes-to-israel.php
War Without End :: View topic - VFW RESOLUTION DEMANDING ISRAELI USS LIBERTY INVESTIGATION:
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/09/20/vfw-resolution-demanding-israeli-uss-liberty-investigation.php
AGTR-5
Sham Naval Court of Inquiry (into the USS Liberty Attack)
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The Naval Court of Inquiry was a major event in 1967. And
Ward Boston was a major player in the Court. And now we find
out that the survivors were right, the court was a fraud and
a sham, with the outcome directed by the U.S. government.
I am puzzled why the media does not treat Ward Boston's words
for what they are worth! This is a huge story and should be
in every paper in the country. The USS Liberty attack was
covered up by the U.S. Government!
This is exactly how I feel as well.. Believe me as there definitely is some kind of conspiracy going on in the US media/press regarding the Liberty attack and ongoing cover-up because I contacted all the major press/media establishments (Washington Post, Fox News Channel, Associated Press, CNN, etc.) about that above referenced Navy Times article (with Captain Boston's comments conveying the cover-up), and not one has covered it to my info. We are talking about a 35 year cover-up and documents still clasified at the NSA which could potentially further reveal prrof of such... Look at what James Bamford (with his "Body of Secrets" book has already revealed by getting access to those NSA documents that he was able to get access to as there are others that are still classified (some 35 years later, but why as what are the Israeli and American governments stilling wanting to keep from getting out so many years later?).
Look at the following article about James Bamford's ("Body of Secrets") book:
Body of Secrets
provides new Liberty revelations:
http://www.ussliberty.org/margolis.txt
http://www.randomhouse.com/features/bamford/
A report based on eyewitness accounts from the Israeli press:
http://www.ussliberty.org/washrp96.txt
Liberty web sites by other USS Liberty crewmen
http://www.ussliberty.org/crewsite.htm
Memorials to our lost shipmates
http://www.ussliberty.org/memorial.txt
Awards and Medals
http://www.ussliberty.org/awards.htm
Annual Ceremony by No Greater Love
http://www.ussliberty.org/greater.htm
Did Israel commit one war crime to after another?
http://www.ussliberty.org/washrp96.txt
Statement by JCS Chairman Admiral Thomas H. Moorer
http://www.ussliberty.org/moorer3.txt
Charley Reese reviews new book about USS Liberty
http://www.ussliberty.org/reese.htm
AP Review of Cristol's Bogus Book ("The Liberty Inciden
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A scorching review of A. Jay Cristol's "The Liberty Incident" was on the
Associated Press news wire August 2, 2002.
The review is reproduced below, but we do not know what newspapers actually printed it.
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Friday, August 2, 2002
`Liberty' attack still a mystery
By DAVID SMYTH
Associated Press
On June 8, 1967, Israeli warplanes and gunboats almost destroyed but did
not sink the USS Liberty.
Even after 35 years, it seems nothing can douse the smoldering dispute
about that attack on the nearly defenseless U.S. intelligence-gathering
vessel. In fact, The Liberty Incident, by A. Jay Cristol, will probably fan
the flames of controversy.
Thirty-four Americans were killed and 172 wounded in the attack. At 69
percent of the crew, it was one of the highest casualty rates ever suffered
by a U.S. Navy vessel.
The focus of the dispute is: Was the attack accidental or intentional?
Israel claimed its forces had mistaken the Liberty for an Egyptian
horse-transport a few miles off the Egyptian coast during the 1967
Arab-Israeli war, and apologized. The Johnson administration accepted the
apology and did not formally challenge the explanation.
However, knowledgeable contemporaries have long claimed the attack was
deliberate. They include, among others, former Secretary of State Dean
Rusk; former CIA Director Richard Helms; former National Security
Administration Director Marshall Carter; one-time presidential advisers
George Ball and Lucius Battle; the Liberty's captain, Cmdr. William
McGonagle; and surviving crew members.
More recently, Capt. Ward Boston, legal counsel to the 1967 naval court of
inquiry presided over by Rear Adm. Isaac Kidd, has spoken up. On June 26,
Boston told a Navy Times reporter he and Kidd believed the Israelis knew
they were attacking an American ship. The court itself, an internal naval
review, did not address the matter of Israeli responsibility.
Curiously, Cristol, whose book is devoted wholeheartedly to the "clear
conclusion" the attack was accidental, there being "no competent evidence
to the contrary," has dedicated his work to Kidd. And he says Kidd told him
he always believed the Israeli attack was accidental. Kidd died in 1999, so
the discrepancy with Boston's statement remains unresolved.
Lt. Cmdr. James Ennes, the Liberty's deck officer during the attack and
author of the book Assault on the Liberty, says Kidd repeatedly encouraged
him to challenge claims of an accident. Cristol apparently interviewed very
few Liberty crew members. He cites no interviews with a dozen who say the
Liberty's life rafts were machine-gunned by the Israeli gunboats, nor with
others who say the Liberty was overflown by an Israeli helicopter filled
with armed men.
Cristol says he was given liberal access to Israeli officials and records,
thanks to Israeli navy friends. He reports an Israeli reconnaissance plane
identified the Liberty as an American ship eight hours before the attack
and Lt. Cmdr. Uri Meretz then specifically identified it as the Liberty. A
marker representing the ship was placed on the plotting table in the war room.
Five hours later - three hours before the attack - the marker was removed,
and this, it is alleged, led to the mistaken assault.
Cristol dismisses various possible motives for an intentional Israeli
attack. One was Israel's need to prevent American foreknowledge of its
impending invasion of Syria's Golan Heights, a move opposed by U.S. policy.
Another was the desire to cover up a massacre of Egyptian prisoners at El
Arish, a few miles from the Liberty.
Members of the Liberty Veterans Association have long complained none of the U.S. investigations was ever convened to discover whether the attack was deliberate. They note that even the initial Navy Court of Inquiry took no testimony from the crew about possible Israeli culpability, leaving that issue to Congress and the State Department, which ignored the question.
John Borne, in an academic study of the Liberty incident, points out that
this is the only peacetime attack on a U.S. Navy vessel that did not have a formal congressional investigation.
According to the Navy Times, a number of U.S. naval officers are requesting a congressional inquiry. Until this demand is met, and until all secret U.S. government files are released, the Liberty question will probably remain unanswered.
John Borne's Excellent Web Site (about USS Liberty)
http://www.logogo.net/00liberty.htm
VFW RESOLUTION DEMANDING ISRAELI USS LIBERTY
INVESTIGATION:
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/09/20/vfw-resolution-demanding-israeli-uss-liberty-investigation.php | | | | Guest | | | | Jeff | | Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2002 3:38 am Post subject: Mossad the Marine Barracks Bombing in Beirut in 1983 |
| While I will atribute any number of crimes to Mossad, I seriously doubt that it was aware of the attack on the Marine barracks in 1983, unless, and this is a big unless, that the attack was not carried out by Hezbollah or another Lebanese militia group--several including the Druze claimed credit for it--but buy the Falangists who hoped that by attacking the US, that tough guy Ronald Reagan would send in 10,000 more US Marines and occupy the country to the benefit of the Falangists. I was there as a free-lance photo journalist at the time and this was the opinion of several foreign journalists based in Beirut. To their utter surprise, the US turned and ran, Had a Democrat been in office, like Carter, for example, he would have been accused of cowardice but Reagan could get away with anything, a la Dubya. One other thing you will never read or hear about. The number of US servicemen dead was over 400, according to a Marine I spoke with the morning of the explosion. The base was known as the Beirut Hiltonand Saturday, Oct. 22nd was party night and sailors from the New Jersey as well as members of an Army unit that was training the Lebanese Army were also there and stayed overnight according to this Marine, which means their loved ones back in the States were told a lie about how they died.
Since the Marines would not have been in Beirut if the Democrats and Republicans had not sent them there to bail out Israel, and therefore would not have died, my first reaction that morning was that there should be a headline, "Thank You, Israel, for 400 US Dead!.
Jeff | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
