| Author | Message | | Guest | | Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2002 7:10 pm Post subject: Kissinger Won't Find Out WHAT REALLY HAPPENED with 9/11 |
| Subj: What did the Israelis Know before 9/11?
Date: 11/27/02 5:53:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
Hi Di,
I completely agree with you on this.. What about the "dancing" Israelis that were seen cheering as they looked at the World Trade Center come down "live"? One thing for sure is Henry Kissinger won't look at that aspect.. I think the Israelis at least knew (if they weren't directly involved with the attack) and didn't convey the full extent of what was going to happen.. Carl Cameron touches on this for the Fox News Channel as you can see via the link for his Fox News Channel story that was pulled from the Fox News Channel Web site after it aired:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
Okay, if we didn't have such a pro-Israel-biased news media in the US, that Carl Cameron story would have been taken up by every other news service here in the USA... But it wasn't.... Why not... I want to get to the bottom of what was going on with those "dancing" Israelis... Also, I heard Israel had agents living near the hi-jackers in Florida before 9/11 took place... Look at the article via www.whatreallyhappened.com to see how Israel owns key telecommunication services in our country and could evesdrop on most people if not all.. And they didn't evesdrop on the hi-jackers before the attack? Come on.. I want a full investigation of what Israel knew before 9/11, but we won't get such with Kissinger in charge and Israeli lackeys Joe Lieberman and John McCain in close proximity as well....
Please review the latest posts via the following Israel message board:
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/index.php
In a message dated 11/27/02 12:57:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, Di writes:
Subj:Re: Have a great holiday!
Date:11/27/02 12:57:01 PM Pacific Standard Time
In a message dated 11/27/02 3:14:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Same to all of you...
PS: Just heard that Henry Kissinger (yes, the war criminal Henry Kissinger of the "Trials of Henry Kissinger" by Christopher Hitchens which is now a documentary as well) has been appointed head of the newly formed commission (by Bush) to look into what exactly happened before 9/11... As Kissinger built Israel into the military machine it is today and he is a Zionist Jew as well, he won't address Israeli involvement with 9/11:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
~~~Incredible isn't it? Seriously, how does anyone expect to extract any semblence of justice from a pack of criminals? No way. It isn't going to happen. &: di | |  | | Guest | | | | Guest | | | | Guest | | | | Guest | | | | Guest | | Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2002 11:53 pm Post subject: Hitchens on Kissinger appointment |
| Subj: Hitchens on Kissinger appointment
Date: 11/28/02 2:08:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
The Latest Kissinger Outrage
Why is a proven liar and wanted man in charge of the 9/11 investigation?
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 3:36 PM PT
The Bush administration has been saying in public for several months that
it does not desire an independent inquiry into the gross "failures of
intelligence" that left U.S. society defenseless 14 months ago. By
announcing that Henry Kissinger will be chairing the inquiry that it did
not want, the president has now made the same point in a different way. But
the cynicism of the decision and the gross insult to democracy and to the
families of the victims that it represents has to be.
1) We already know quite a lot, thanks all the same, about who was behind
the attacks. Most notable in incubating al-Qaida were the rotten
client-state regimes of the Saudi Arabian oligarchy and the Pakistani
military and police elite. Henry Kissinger is now, and always has been, an
errand boy and apologist for such regimes.
2) When in office, Henry Kissinger organized massive deceptions of Congress
and public opinion. The most notorious case concerned the "secret bombing"
of Cambodia and Laos, and the unleashing of unconstitutional methods by
Nixon and Kissinger to repress dissent from this illegal and atrocious
policy. But Sen. Frank Church's commission of inquiry into the abuses of
U.S. intelligence, which focused on illegal assassinations and the
subversion of democratic governments overseas, was given incomplete and
misleading information by Kissinger, especially on the matter of Chile.
Rep. Otis Pike's parallel inquiry in the House (which brought to light
Kissinger's personal role in the not-insignificant matter of the betrayal
of the Iraqi Kurds, among other offenses) was thwarted by Kissinger at
every turn, and its eventual findings were classified. In other words, the
new "commission" will be chaired by a man with a long, proven record of
concealing evidence and of lying to Congress, the press, and the public.
) In his second career as an obfuscator and a falsifier, Kissinger
appropriated the records of his time at the State Department and took them
on a truck to the Rockefeller family estate in New York. He has since been
successfully sued for the return of much of this public property, but
meanwhile he produced, for profit, three volumes of memoirs that purported
to give a full account of his tenure. In several crucial instances, such as
his rendering of U.S. diplomacy with China over Vietnam, with apartheid
South Africa over Angola, and with Indonesia over the invasion of East
Timor (to cite only some of the most conspicuous), declassified documents
have since shown him to be a bald-faced liar. Does he deserve a third try
at presenting a truthful record, after being caught twice as a fabricator?
And on such a grave matter as this?
4) Kissinger's "consulting" firm, Kissinger Associates, is a privately held
concern that does not publish a client list and that compels its clients to
sign confidentiality agreements. Nonetheless, it has been established that
Kissinger's business dealings with, say, the Chinese Communist leadership
have closely matched his public pronouncements on such things as the
massacre of Chinese students. Given the strong ties between himself, his
partners Lawrence Eagleburger and Brent Scowcroft, and the oil oligarchies
of the Gulf, it must be time for at least a full disclosure of his
interests in the region. This thought does not seem to have occurred to the
president or to the other friends of Prince Bandar and Prince Bandar's
wife, who helped in the evacuation of the Bin Laden family from American
soil, without an interrogation, in the week after Sept. 11.
5) On Memorial Day 2001, Kissinger was visited by the police in the Ritz
Hotel in Paris and handed a warrant, issued by Judge Roger LeLoire,
requesting his testimony in the matter of disappeared French citizens in
Pinochet's Chile. Kissinger chose to leave town rather than appear at the
Palais de Justice as requested. He has since been summoned as a witness by
senior magistrates in Chile and Argentina who are investigating the
international terrorist network that went under the name "Operation Condor"
and that conducted assassinations, kidnappings, and bombings in several
countries. The most spectacular such incident occurred in rush-hour traffic
in downtown Washington, D.C., in September 1976, killing a senior Chilean
dissident and his American companion. Until recently, this was the worst
incident of externally sponsored criminal violence conducted on American
soil. The order for the attack was given by Gen. Augusto Pinochet, who has
been vigorously defended from prosecution by Henry Kissinger.
Moreover, on Sept. 10, 2001, a civil suit was filed in a Washington, D.C.,
federal court, charging Kissinger with murder. The suit, brought by the
survivors of Gen. Rene Schneider of Chile, asserts that Kissinger gave the
order for the elimination of this constitutional officer of a democratic
country because he refused to endorse plans for a military coup. Every
single document in the prosecution case is a U.S.-government declassified
paper. And the target of this devastating lawsuit is being invited to
review the shortcomings of the "intelligence community"?
In late 2001, the Brazilian government canceled an invitation for Kissinger
to speak in Sao Paulo because it could no longer guarantee his immunity.
Earlier this year, a London court agreed to hear an application for
Kissinger's imprisonment on war crimes charges while he was briefly in the
United Kingdom. It is known that there are many countries to which he
cannot travel at all, and it is also known that he takes legal advice
before traveling anywhere. Does the Bush administration feel proud of
appointing a man who is wanted in so many places, and wanted furthermore
for his association with terrorism and crimes against humanity? Or does it
hope to limit the scope of the inquiry to those areas where Kissinger has
clients?
There is a tendency, some of it paranoid and disreputable, for the citizens
of other countries and cultures to regard President Bush's "war on terror"
as opportunist and even as contrived. I myself don't take any stock in such
propaganda. But can Congress and the media be expected to swallow the
appointment of a proven coverup artist, a discredited historian, a busted
liar, and a man who is wanted in many jurisdictions for the vilest of
offenses? The shame of this, and the open contempt for the families of our
victims, ought to be the cause of a storm of protest.
Christopher Hitchens is a columnist for Vanity Fair and the author of The
Trial of Henry Kissinger, newly issued in paperback. | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 9:39 pm Post subject: The Kissinger Jape |
| Re: “Why is a proven liar and wanted man in charge of the 9/11 investigation?” By Christopher Hitchens (text at bottom)
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The Kissinger Jape
The first joke in this series was the appointment of Mr. Dulles to the Warren Commission. The same CIA head that JFK had fired got his job back the moment his ex-boss was out of the way, and his first job was to “investigate” the killing. Very funny.
These guys love to be obvious. It’s a fleering taunt to those who don’t trust them, and a cruel joke on those who do.
Another good one was Nixon’s “Committee to Re-elect the President,” in 1972 – the plain, dark-blue campaign posters and brochures, emblazoned with the presidential seal, and the crisp gold acronym at the bottom: C.R.E.E.P. Right. “Committee to RE-Elect the President.” Everyone KNEW Nixon was the silliest creep on TV, but his party knew the media-fuddled American public would re-elect him anyway, no matter how obvious they made it – or how much fun they had with the stupidity of it all.
Then there was Reagan’s inaugural party, with the charmingly-timed release of the hostages from Iran. What a soiree! Who could doubt that this FLAUNTED the fact that the release had been delayed – until the most imperial moment. If anyone in the adoring public did NOT know that it was the best thing since Caligula, well, the joke was on THEM.
Sharon’s presentation lacks spark, but nothing could beat it for brazen evil: He even almost kept a straight face, two years ago, when he said he had gone to the Haram al Sharif with his IDF buddies “as a gesture of peace.” Oh the irony of it all: the perfect kick-off for this long-awaited phase of the Zionist holocaust was a gesture of peace!
Average Israelis are not expected to share this inside joke with Sharon: its bitterest humiliation is for THEM – whose denial requires them to bend over backwards, lick the ground, and BELIEVE it.
So now, next our Zionists and demi-Zionists didn’t want to investigate 9/11. They delayed the investigation long enough to prove their scoff-law impunity. But the families of the victims insisted – insisted on guess what? They insisted on “an inquiry along the lines of the 1964 commission under Chief Justice Earl Warren into the Kennedy assassination.” (Quoting Rupert Cornwell, the Independent)
... So they’ll get a carbon copy. The really hilarious part was deciding which public figure would present the most absurd irony. Some folks probably suggested Charles Manson.. But no, naming KISSINGER is way funnier.
Henry Kissinger, of all people, to head the probe into 9/11? How dare they make a joke of this? What would our founding fathers expect us to do when the orgy reaches this extreme of drunken cynicism?
As to Christopher Hitchens, this is great for him. But he has contracts to nurture. His handy summary of the case against Kissinger does not exempt him from a jape of his own, in his article, “Why is a proven liar and wanted man in charge of the 9/11 investigation?”
After the whole corrupt US scenario appears in his account, as the ripe field Kissinger cultivates, it seems Hitchins is bound by some deal, to pretend it has nothing to do with today: “There is a tendency,” Hitchins says, “to regard President Bush's ‘war on terror’ as opportunist and even as contrived. I myself don't take any stock in such propaganda.” Sure Chris. That makes sense.
So when Israel’s comedians shoot the morning drummer of Ramadan, as he walks peacefully through his neighborhood, and leave him to bleed to death in agony for two hours, it is just another vaunting gesture of mocking impunity: And if Bush’s “war on terror” gains another huge dose of provocation and opportunity from it, well that’s just a funny coincidence. Sure Chris.
Still, the net keeps closing around the central, cancerous node of Zionism, with its irredeemable principle of vaunting supremacy, and the more its errand-boys try to point away from it, the sillier they look, as they underscore the questions.
Dave Kersting
------------------------------------------------ | | | | Guest | | Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2002 12:49 am Post subject: What did the Israelis Know before 9/11? |
| Subj: Re: What did the Israelis Know before 9/11?
Date: 11/29/02 4:06:32 PM Pacific Standard Time
The Israelis, several of who were later identified by their names as Mossad operatives in the March 15 issue of the NY Jewish weekly, Forward, were not exactly dancing but were seen to be laughing and in high spirits as they were taking videos of each other with the burning WTC in the background. An angry neighbor called the cops who treated the Israelis non too pleasantly, and, after allegedly roughing them up a bit, threw them in the hoosegow for a couple of months until their trip back to Israel was arranged. It also turned out that the moving company that they were working for was a Mossad front but the guy running it got back to Israel before he was caught. Of course, the cops at the lower levels don't know that the Israelis are protected at the high levels of the US government. the attack on the Liberty being the act that has defined US-Israeli relations since 1967.
If people who disagree ask "what about Jonathan Pollard," it is quite clear that (1) at that time there were folks in Washington who were not that fond of Israel and (2) the last thing the Israeli government has wanted is Pollard to be freed. The man is a loose cannon, with extreme right wing Zionist views, and is more thank likely to give away the family secrets once he would be back on the street.
Jeff
No, I was referring to the "dancing" Israelis who who were detained after they were seen cheering as they watched the World Trade Center come crashing down.. They were later "quietly" deported back to Israel. For additional information on such (to include the Carl Cameron story that aired on Fox News Channel which should have also been covered extensively on the other US press/media but wasn't because of the pro-Israel bias with them), access the following URL:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
Some Palestinians might have been clapping because they know that America facilitates (with the 10 to 15 million US Taxpayer dollars per day flowing to Israel via a pro-Israel lobby-corrupted and Zionist-occupied Congress) the brutal Israeli occupation of the Palestinian people which contributes to the growing anger/hatred for the USA in the Arab/Moslem world (it was such hatred which contributed to the tragic World Trade Center attack).
You might want to also access the following ("Why Terrorism is NOT Inevitable") message thread at your convenience:
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/11/26/why-terrorist-attacks-are-not-inevitable.php
In a message dated 11/29/02 11:08:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, Patriotwrites:
Subj:Re: What did the Israelis Know before 9/11?
Date:11/29/02 11:08:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
From:Patriot
In a message dated 11/28/02 2:07:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, Jdtmorris writes:
I completely agree with you on this.. What about the "dancing" Israelis that were seen cheering as they looked at the World Trade Center come down "live"?
If I remember correctly, they were "dancing Palestinians," and coverage in foreign newspapers revealed that CNN had paid them to do it.
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============================================ | | | | Guest | | Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2002 8:37 am Post subject: Trial of Henry Kissinger |
| Judging by some of the email I've gotten today, most of you know about the appointing of Henry Kissinger to lead the 'independent' invesigation of 9/11 bush signed off on yesterday and are as appalled by this news as I am. Honestly, when I heard this, I experienced a moment of complete cerebral disorientation. The thoughts were "What?????" and "This is a nightmare"; the feelings included a flash of blurred vision, dizziness, and a weird ringing in my ears. I'm serious. It was more than that I couldn't believe it. It felt like this administration once again blatantly spitting in our faces, especially in the faces of the people whose loved ones died that day. I imagine I would have experienced something similar if I'd heard Charles Manson was released from prison and had been granted a well-paid position conducting tours of angry, counterculture youths through the homes of Hollywood celebrities and supermarket moguls... Below is some important information sent to me by Kyle Hence, co-founder of www.unansweredquestions.org... k
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Dear Fellow Concerned Citizens and Friends of UQ,
'Follow all facts, wherever they lead'; these were Bush's words today (November 27, 2002) at a signing ceremony at the White House establishing the "National Commission on the Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States." [H.R.4628; SEC. 601-610]
Kissinger echoed him a hour or so later...saying the commission would "go where the facts will lead us".
A 9/11 investigation must, to be effective, work in total daylight. Kissinger has for decades moved in the shadows. This seems, on its face, an ill-fitting choice. - Marc Ash, [Editor, Truthout.org], wrp
I agree, but Marc's comments are a slow pitch condemnation...for something harder we must look to Christopher Hitchens, contributing editor of Vanity Fair and author of The Trial of Henry Kissinger. One can't help but wonder where the facts would lead a jury of his peers (or a commission) were he to be subject to a prosecution as a war criminal, having committed crimes against humanity and genocide. Based on new material obtained through Freedom of Information Act and the publicly available historical record, Hitchens builds a damning case against Kissinger.
More...
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Hitchens has really done his homework on Kissinger, so if you are interested in learning more about Kissinger's track record visit:
http://www.trialofhenrykissinger.org/
Or see: Christopher Hitchens, "The Case Against Henry Kissinger," Harper's, June-July 2001
To this observer, instead of charging Henry Kissinger with investigating the criminal murder of thousands on September 11th 2001, it is clear he himself should be charged with engineering crimes of even greater magnitude. And we should be investigating his role in another September 11th; one in 1973 in which he helped engineer the overthrow of a democratically elected Chilean President Allende to install a brutal General Pinochet who ordered the murder of over 3000 Chileans.
Stephen Push of Great Falls, Virgina, a leader of Families of September 11th,
argued that the commission as passed was not as powerful as family members
wanted.
At the White House today was Co-chair of Voices of September 11th, Mary Fetchet, who expressed some dismay over the appointment of Kissinger saying "it was not one of the names that had been discussed." Well, if they had mentioned Kissinger surely some of the victim family members involved in the negotiations would have done their own homework and raised objections and then would have subsequently driven a harder bargain and not yielded to 'soft' commission rules.
So while the commission structure is softball (making a partisan cover-up and avoidance of accountability easier procedurally), the Administration's appointment of Kissinger is an act of brazen arrogance and indication that indeed as some have said, they are set to play hardball. They are sending up their heavy hitter, in the very worst sense of the word...
According to Kissinger, a meeting with representatives of the victims' families and other commissioners is set for December 12. And a secret report from the Joint House/Senate Select Committee's Inquiry on Intelligence issues is due to be completed by the end of the year. In the meantime, a citizens' truth commission supported by UQ is being organized by a growing ad-hoc alliance to bring attention to the most important lines of inquiry and unanswered questions. With the appointment of Kissinger, this alternative avenue of investigation is all the more vital, and if we play hard, play clever and persist we will break through the media whiteout on the issues raised on UQ and hundreds of other sites similarly dedicated. The time is now to rally agressively and effectively, before body bags of fallen soldiers arrive home with the massacre of more innocents in their wake.
A full 9/11 investigation that tells the whole story may prove to be the 'achilles heal' of this Administration and its Constitutionally stripping, fear mongering, war fighting agenda...
So please, if you are able:
Organize a protest against Kissinger...expose him as a war criminal, demand answers to all the questions...put all lines of inquiry on the table.
Order the 'discounted' UQ conference video ($12 donation) and get it aired on your local cable access channel. Order two and send one to one of the commissioners.
Look here for new of the upcoming release of AfterMath: Unanswered Questions of 9/11 by the Guerilla News Network, winners of the 2002 Sundance Online Film Festival.
Become a local coordinator of a local chapter of the Citizens' Truth Commission on 9/11 and help us build an alliance of organizations and individuals willing to endorse a truly credible and full investigation.
Visit and join us on forums at www.pi911.org.
Distribute copies of the 9/11 full-disclosure resource list/links (courtesy of Nic at osamaskidneys.com) and our top 11 talking points.
Demand that the President testify regarding what he learned from the Aug. 6 briefing beyond what we already know ie. the imminent Hijacking threat posed by Al-Qaeda.
Take Heart and Join us.
Good luck and God Bless! | | | | Guest | | Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2002 9:18 am Post subject: Re: What did the Israelis Know before 9/11? |
| Subj: Re: What did the Israelis Know before 9/11?
Date: 11/29/02 7:33:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
To appease American Jewish organizations, and Israel's extreme right wing, every Israeli PM raises the issue with whomever is president, but it is clear that not only not a priority, but it is better for both governments if Pollard stays behind bars. His mistake was early on, attacking the Israeli government and promising to expose what they didn't do for him and who was responsible. It would be a major embarrassment for Israel if he started to sing and for the US because people would expect (ha ha) that the government would do something about it.
Jeff
Thanks for your informative reply Jeff (I added it to the following message thread):
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/11/28/kissinger-won-t-find-out-what-really-happened-with-9-11.php
PS: I had used "dancing" as a metaphor for what you mentioned... I had heard that Sharon had made the request for Pollard's release a 'talking point' (during one of his many meetings with Bush).
Subj:Re: What did the Israelis Know before 9/11?
Date:11/29/02 4:06:32 PM Pacific Standard Time
The Israelis, several of who were later identified by their names as Mossad operatives in the March 15 issue of the NY Jewish weekly, Forward, were not exactly dancing but were seen to be laughing and in high spirits as they were taking videos of each other with the burning WTC in the background. An angry neighbor called the cops who treated the Israelis non too pleasantly, and, after allegedly roughing them up a bit, threw them in the hoosegow for a couple of months until their trip back to Israel was arranged. It also turned out that the moving company that they were working for was a Mossad front but the guy running it got back to Israel before he was caught. Of course, the cops at the lower levels don't know that the Israelis are protected at the high levels of the US government. the attack on the Liberty being the act that has defined US-Israeli relations since 1967. If people who disagree ask "what about Jonathan Pollard," it is quite clear that (1) at that time there were folks in Washington who were not that fond of Israel and (2) the last thing the Israeli government has wanted is Pollard to be freed. The man is a loose cannon, with extreme right wing Zionist views, and is more thank likely to give away the family secrets once he would be back on the street. Jeff Blankfort Jdtmorris@aol.com wrote:
No, I was referring to the "dancing" Israelis who who were detained after they were seen cheering as they watched the World Trade Center come crashing down.. They were later "quietly" deported back to Israel. For additional information on such (to include the Carl Cameron story that aired on Fox News Channel which should have also been covered extensively on the other US press/media but wasn't because of the pro-Israel bias with them), access the following URL: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com Some Palestinians might have been clapping because they know that America facilitates (with the 10 to 15 million US Taxpayer dollars per day flowing to Israel via a pro-Israel lobby-corrupted and Zionist-occupied Congress) the brutal Israeli occupation of the Palestinian people which contributes to the growing anger/hatred for the USA in the Arab/Moslem world (it was such hatred which contributed to the tragic World Trade Center attack). You might want to also access the following ("Why Terrorism is NOT Inevitable") message thread at your convenience:
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/11/26/why-terrorist-attacks-are-not-inevitable.php | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
