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Israeli historian spills beans on USS LIBERTY!

Subj: Israeli historian spills beans on USS LIBERTY!
Date: 11/3/02 3:32:04 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: nord@famvid.com

A HISTORY OF ISRAEL

Ahron Bregman

A History of Israel includes new revelations...Bregman reveals new facts
never- before-published about the senior Egyptian spy who worked for the
Mossad and was nicknamed 'The Son-in-Law' on account of his family ties
with President Nasser.' - Rami Tal,Yediot Aharonot

A History of Israel examines Israel's turbulent history from the first
Zionist Congress in 1897 to the present day.

The driving themes of this masterly account are Jewish immigration, war,
and attempts to forge peace between Israelis, Arabs and Palestines.

Bregman also uses his experience as a journalist to expose secrets never
previously published to support his compelling narrative.

There is a rare extract from a radio exchange between air control and
Israeli pilots on the fourth day of the Six Day War, showing that the
Israelis did realize that the ship they were bombing was the American USS
Liberty, but still went on to attack it.

Also included is the never-before-published protocol of the secret meeting
between Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan and President Sadat's emissary Hassan
el-Tohami, in Morocco in 1977, which shows that contrary to common belief,
no promise was made a priori to President Sadat that he would get the Sinai
back before his arrival in Israel.

Bregman had access to The Syrian Declaration of Principles of 1992 - the
basis for talks between Israel and Syria - and this appears in this book in
its entirety for the first time ever.

But perhaps the biggest coup is the exclusive revelations on the work of
the most senior spy Mossad ever had in Egypt, and possibly in the Arab
world. Bregman tells of how the spy turned his back on Mossad at the
eleventh hour and betrayed and misled the Israelis to become the jewel in
the crown of the Egyptian deception plan for the October 1973 war

AHRON BREGMAN is a Lecturer in History at Webster University, London and
also a journalist for the Daily

Telegraph and other national newspapers in the UK and the US.

352 pp 216x138mm

Format: Hardback

ISBN: 0333676319 Price: £42.50 Order

Format: Paperback

ISBN: 0333676327

Price: 13.99 Order

Guest · Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2002 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Best Planned "Mistake"

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dangerousdna · Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2002 8:07 am Post subject: The enemy within our America

Hey you traitor Mike Weeks I smell you on this board hiding behind a guest name incognito.

This paper is intended for all the LIBERTY crewmen, and also intended to be a refutation of claims by members of CAMERA and the partisans of Cristol such as SkipperAG and Mike Weeks.
http://www.logogo.net/Cristoldissertation.htm

Did anybody ever wonder why the proper authorities won't show the actual files on the deliberate attack on the USS LIBERTY if Israel really was innocent? What's their excuse?

MW you are like a bloodhound on many boards,whenever anyone posts about
Israel you jump right on their backs and TRY to prove them wrong.Why???!!!!!

RIGHT THERE MIKE WEEKS SHOWS THAT YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO MY AMERICA!!!

You would much rather clap for the Angels winning the World Series rather than
hear about how Ward Boston conveyed that Issac Kid thought the attack was
deliberate and whitewashed it for the powers above (in Johnson and Mcnamara).
You also supported Bamford's book with the EC-121 flying overhead, and that
same EC-121 confirmed that the Israeli pilots saw an American flag waving..
Before this, Israel had lied saying that no flag was waving...So you try to lie
about how the US flag is waving, you say that it is a tactic used in war that
the Egyptian ship was flying an American flag as a ruse.. what a big joke you
are Weeks,hahahahaha..

Go help Sharooooon fight the Pali's he will need a smart guy to to watch the
flags over Palestine.Since you are more loyal to Israel.

You believe Israeli truth distortion about the attack rather than the patriotic
Americans that experienced it...

Read this you might find something you lied about!

New Evidence on Intentional and Brutal Israeli Attack on USS Liberty

http://members.aol.com/w4lmk/sdari/

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/11/03/best-planned-mistake-in-the-history-of-warfare-uss-liberty.php

Guest · Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2002 4:16 pm Post subject: Loons loose in America

"Did anybody ever wonder why the proper authorities won't show the actual files on the deliberate attack on the USS LIBERTY if Israel really was innocent? What's their excuse?"

A false assumption followed by a false response doesn't do well in convincing rational folks, but that's never been the idea in the first place.

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Guest · Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2002 8:13 am Post subject: Re: Loons loose in America

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/dead_in_the_water.shtml

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From the June 26 2002 issue of Navy Times:
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CONFLICTING COMMENTS REKINDLE LIBERTY DISPUTE

KEY INVESTIGATORS EXPRESS BELIEF THAT ISRAEL
DELIBERATELY ATTACKED U.S. SHIP

By Bryant Jordan
Times staff writer

Thirty-five years after Israeli air and naval forces attacked a
lightly armed U.S. Navy spy ship during the Arab-Israeli Six-Day
War, the CIA director at the time and the legal counsel to the
Navy’s court of inquiry say the attack was deliberate.
"It was no accident," former CIA director Richard Helms said May
29, bucking that agency’s June 13, 1967, report that indicated the
incident could have been a mistake.

Retired Navy legal counsel Capt. Ward Boston says he and the
court’s president, the late Rear Adm. Isaac "Ike" Kidd, always
believed Israeli forces knowingly attacked the Liberty.

"I feel the Israelis knew what they were doing. They knew they
were shooting at a U.S. Navy ship," said Boston, who lives in
Coronado, Calif. "That’s the bottom line. I don’t care how they
tried to get out of it."

The attack killed 34 men and wounded 172 others, and sparked a
long-running controversy: Did Israel knowingly try to sink the
American ship or did it believe the ship was an Egyptian vessel?

Officially, the Navy exonerated Israel on June 18, 1967 — 10 days
after the attack — when the Navy court of inquiry found that
available evidence indicated the attack was a case of mistaken
identity.

THE COURT OF INQUIRY

Boston said Kidd told him he believed the attack was deliberate
and that the Israelis knew the ship was American.

That flies in the face of the findings of Kidd’s court, and also
what the author of a new book on the Liberty says Kidd told him in
interviews in the early 1990s.

A. Jay Cristol, a federal judge in Florida and retired Navy
aviator who also served in the service’s Judge Advocate General’s
Corps, is the author of the upcoming "The Liberty Incident."

"Kidd told me an entirely different story," said Cristol, whose
new book is dedicated to Kidd, who died in 1999.

Cristol said that during one interview with Kidd in December 1990,
Kidd related that when he brought the court’s report to then-Chief
of Naval Operations Adm. David Lamar McDonald, the CNO asked him,
"Ike, was it intentional?"

"Ike said, ‘No, Admiral,'" Cristol recalled.

But Boston remembers that when Kidd returned from Washington, he
said officials were not interested in hearing the truth.

"In military life, you accept the fact that if you’re told to shut
up, you shut up. We did what we were told," Boston said.

He explained that he is willing to talk now because "everyone else
is shooting their mouth off."

Boston said he does not know whether his beliefs were shared by
the other members of the court, Capts. Bert M. Atkinson Jr. and
Bernard J. Lauff.

Lauff could not be located for comment. Atkinson died in 1999.

But Boston’s statements do put him now in the camp of retired Adm.
Merlin Staring, who as a captain and staff legal officer in London
was initially told to review the court’s report.

Staring said June 3 that the report was taken from him before he
finished his review, but based on what he had seen, the evidence
did not support the contention that the attack was an accident.

Staring concedes he still has not read the entire report.

Staring, who went on to become the Navy’s top JAG officer, is now
part of a newly formed Liberty Alliance, which includes former CNO
and Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Thomas Moorer and two Marine
Medal of Honor recipients, Gen. Ray Davis and Col. Mitchell Paige.

The group wants a full congressional investigation into the attack
and is lobbying military organizations, including the Veterans of
Foreign Wars and the American Legion, hoping to garner support
among their members, said Tito Howard, the group’s executive
director.

SURVIVORS ALLEGE CONSPIRACY

Many Liberty survivors and their supporters long have maintained
that the attack was deliberate and that the Kidd report excluded
testimony from crew members that would have shown that.

Boston recalled that testimony was taken from crew members who
said the Israelis fired on life rafts when they were put into the
water.

The court’s report includes testimony indicating the shooting of
the life rafts was incidental, occurring when the ship was strafed
by Israeli jets.

Some allege Israel wanted the spy ship sunk to ensure it did not
pick up communications showing Israel was planning to seize the
Golan Heights from Syria. Others say it was to prevent Liberty
from intercepting communications dealing with an alleged Israeli
massacre of Egyptian POWs in the Sinai.

Some Liberty survivors and supporters claim the U.S. government
covered up the incident to avoid a conflict with Israel that could
have cost the Johnson administration support among Jewish voters
and supporters. Subsequent administrations and Congresses have
avoided a thorough airing of the incident for the same reasons,
they say.

But Cristol says there have been 10 U.S. investigations, ranging
from the court of inquiry and the CIA’s report to several
conducted by House and Senate committees.

Five drew no conclusions regarding Israel, according to a list
compiled by Cristol, while others accepted that it was an
accident.

The most recent official look at the incident was in 1991, when
the House Armed Services subcommittee on investigations found no
evidence to support the Liberty survivors’ claim that Israel
attacked the ship deliberately.

REPORTS AND RECOLLECTIONS

The CIA’s report, the earliest of those assembled, held open the
possibility that the attack was a case of mistaken identity — the
finding that the Kidd court went on to make five days later —
though it did not present that as a conclusion.

In the June 13, 1967, report, the CIA stated that "an overzealous
pilot" could have mistaken the Liberty for an Egyptian ship, the
El Quesir. Helms, the former CIA director, declined to discuss the
incident at length.

"I’ve done all I can. I don’t want to spend the rest of my life in
court" testifying about the incident, he said.

Mike Weeks, a naval aviation writer and amateur historian who
studied the official Navy communications that occurred during and
after the attack and believes it was an accident, said there is
more information on the Liberty still classified and believes the
government should release all of it.

"Just put it out there and see how it flows," he said. "The bottom
line, all this stuff ought to be let loose, for heaven’s sake."

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Bryant Jordan is a staff writer for Marine Corps Times.

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