| Author | Message | | Guest | | Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2002 3:42 pm Post subject: |
| It's always France's fault.
I think we can all agree on that. Those cheese eating surrender monkeys. | |  | | *Mutt American | | Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2002 5:51 pm Post subject: |
| | Quote: | Present day Israel (who already has nuclear weapons) is more of a threat to world peace than present day Iraq can ever be. The Region can only find peace if the Americans would leave both the Israelis and the Arabs alone, however.
One wonders if the Billions oil companies are making are not worth a couple million lives!After all, the majority of those who will vanish would probably be Iraqis. |
Actually, in this case I was focused on this post just prior to mine.
I still think that my statement applies, however, with respect to the UN as a whole, and certainly to the individual poster. I wasn't Brit bashing. Given my earlier posts though, I can certainly understand why you would take it that way.
I also think that some of the solutions proposed are overly simplistic. For example, "Isreal has to stop all new settlements." I agree that settlements provoke the situation, but if Palestinians are supposed to be able to live in Israel, why should Jews not be able to live in Palestinian areas? I think the Israelis who ask that have a legitimate question.
There is still also the issue of majory portions of the Arab/Palestinian part of the world refusing to stop violence as long as Israel exists. And this did not start in 1967. | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2002 1:26 pm Post subject: |
| I also think that some of the solutions proposed are overly simplistic. For example, "Isreal has to stop all new settlements." I agree that settlements provoke the situation, but if Palestinians are supposed to be able to live in Israel, why should Jews not be able to live in Palestinian areas? I think the Israelis who ask that have a legitimate question.
A bit simplistic that one Mutt me old mate, Arabs or Pals living in Isreal dont say they require now and in the future regardless of any peace deals, access roads to their areas to have own armed troops in charge of connecting roads etc.
The present settlements, and im not saying disband em all now, that and who is entitled to live where should be up for discussion on the table. Getting to the table at all is the problem we seem to have now.
But since you raise that point and a good point it is, you are aware of the fact Isreal does indeed reign in some of the illegal settlements that dont have their permission for sercurity reasons etc, illegal to Isreali policy that is.
Could you live in Texas, part of the United States if an agreement is ever made that Mexican troops will have full rights of travel armed on your roads and through your soverign territory to travel and protect Mexican enclaves in The state?
Would I live with the fact that A muslim armed force and all their parephenalia be allowed to take control of all roads linking Highly populated areas of muslims in Bradford to Halifax in the UK with the right to detain, setup roadblocks and virtually have freedom of actions in my soverign state?
No I wouldnt and neither would you, so why should it be forced onto a Palestinian govt if there ever is peace. Unless of course Isreal will reciprocate and allow Pal defense forces in the future control of any roads that link arab populace in the Isreali state the same freedoms of action.
No they wouldnt. And why should they? Thats not independance. | | | | Guest | | | | Guest | | | | *Mutt American | | Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2002 8:14 pm Post subject: |
| | Non-signatory = Not in violation | | | | Guest-400c | | | | Guest-c651 | | Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2003 4:22 am Post subject: Israel: Germs, gas and A-bombs |
| Israel: Germs, gas and A-bombs
Fingers on all the buttons
By Neil Sammonds
The world's best-known and most efficient 'secret' manufacturer of
weapons of mass destruction is not Iraq, not even North Korea, but
Israel. Neil Sammonds looks at a nuclear, biological and chemical
warfare programme that even the Israeli Knesset cannot get access
to, let alone the United Nations.
In September 1986, Mordechai Vanunu, a technician at Israel's
Dimona nuclear site, revealed to the Sunday Times that the nuclear
military programme based there had produced 'over 200' nuclear
warheads.
Days later he was tricked into flying to Rome where he was
abducted by Mossad agents and secretly transported to Israel. In
November 1986, he was tried in camera and sentenced to 18 years'
imprisonment, 14 of which were spent in solitary confinement.
In 1999, in response to a petition from Yediot Ahronot newspaper,
the government released about 40 per cent of the trial documents.
The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists estimates that Israel has the
world's fifth largest stockpile of nuclear warheads (more than
Britain, which it believes has 185).
In February 2000, Knesset member Issam Mahoul said Israel had
'200 to 300' nuclear weapons; in August of that year, the Federation
of American Scientists said that Israel could have produced 'at least
100 nuclear weapons, but probably not significantly more than 200';
the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute estimates
200.
Other sources, including Jane's Intelligence Review, estimate
between 400 and 500 thermonuclear and nuclear weapons.
What Dimona is to Israel's nuclear programme, the Israeli Institute
for Biological Research (IIBR) at Nes Ziona is to its chemical and
biological warfare (CBW) programme. The high-security facility is
absent from aerial survey photographs and maps, on which it has
been replaced by orange groves.
Except for token visits to Dimona by a Norwegian team in 1961 and
a US team in 1969, there has been no international scrutiny. Even
the Knesset is denied access.
However, the 1993 report by the Office of Technology Assessment
for the US Congress states that Israel has 'undeclared offensive
chemical warfare capabilities' and is 'generally reported as having
an undeclared offensive biological warfare programme'.
Anthony Cordesman of the Centre for Strategic and International
Studies states that Israel has conducted extensive research into gas
warfare and is ready to produce biological weapons.
According to an exhaustive study by Karel Knip, a Dutch journalist,
the IIBR's work has included the synthesis of nerve gases such as
tabun, sarin and VX.
The October 1992 crash an of El Al cargo plane in Amsterdam that
caused at least 47 deaths and caused hundreds of immediate and
subsequent mysterious illnesses led to the disclosure in 1998 that
flight LY1862 was carrying chemicals including 50 gallons of
dimethyl methylphosphonate (DMMP) - enough to produce 594
pounds of sarin. The DMMP was supplied by Solkatronic Chemicals
Inc of Morrisville, Pennsylvania, and was destined for the IIBR.
Avner Cohen has catalogued reported uses of biological weapons
by Jewish forces during the 1948 war in Palestine. The Israeli
historian Uri Milstein alleged that 'in many conquered Arab villages,
the water supply was poisoned to prevent the inhabitants from
coming back.' Milstein states that one of the largest of such covert
operations caused the typhoid outbreak in Acre in May 1948.
The Palestinian Arab Higher Committee reported in July 1948 that
there was some evidence that Jewish forces were responsible for a
cholera outbreak in Egypt in November 1947 and in Syrian villages
near the Palestinian-Syrian border in February 1948.
In May 1948, the Egyptian ministry of defence stated that four
'zionists' had been captured while trying to contaminate artesian
wells in Gaza with 'a liquid which was discovered to contain germs
of dysentery and typhoid'.
In 1954, it was widely reported that defence minister Pinchas Lavon
had proposed using BW for special operations. Cohen says: 'Israel
has presumably employed biological or toxin weapons for special
operations.'
In 1955, Prime Minister Ben Gurion ordered the weaponisation and
stockpiling of chemical weapons in case of a war with Egypt.
Former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky claims that lethal tests have
been performed on Arab prisoners at the IIBR.
There are allegations that Israel has used CBW on numerous
occasions:
* Chemical defoliants used by the army against Palestinian lands,
including Ain el-Beida in 1968, Araqba in 1972 and Mejdel Beni
Fadil in 1978;
* Armed nuclear missiles in the 1967 and 1973 Arab-Israeli wars;
* Chemical weapons in the 1982 war on Lebanon, including
hydrogen cyanide, nerve gas and phosphorus shells;
* In the 1980s lethal gases against Palestinian civilians and
Palestinian, Lebanese and Israeli Jewish prisoners.
Discussing delivery systems, the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists states
that Israel's F-16 squadrons based at Nevatim and Ramon are the
most likely carriers of nuclear warheads and that a small group of
pilots has been trained for nuclear strikes.
According to the Sunday Times, F-16s crews are also 'trained to fit
an active chemical or biological weapon within minutes of receiving
the command to attack'. Israel's F-4s, F-15s and Jaguars are also
nuclear-capable.
Israel's Jericho I (with a range of 660km) and Jericho II (1,500km)
missiles are nuclear-capable. The Shavit satellite launch vehicle is
convertible into an intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of
7,800km.
Israel also has three Dolphin-class submarines, the Dolphin, the
Leviathan and the Tekuma, which are reportedly modified to carry
nuclear-tipped cruise missiles.
It is widely believed to possess a tactical nuclear capability,
including small nuclear landmines, and strategic nuclear warheads
that it can fire from cannons.
The UN Security Council regularly calls on Israel 'urgently to place
its nuclear facilities under the safeguards of the International Atomic
Energy Agency.'
Israel has signed but not ratified the Chemical Weapons
Convention, but is one of only four countries in the world - with
Cuba, India and Pakistan - not to have signed the Nuclear Non-
Proliferation Treaty .
* This article first appeared in issue 1/03 of Index on Censorship:
Inside the Axis of Evil.
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