| Author | Message | | Guest | |  | | Abbadean | | Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 1:57 am Post subject: |
| You have misrepresented things again. Why are you Arab/Muslims so dense? The Zionist haven't hijacked anything. You are trying to divide and concur. You will not be able to do either. The Jew and the Christians for the most part are on the same page. If you did not terrorize your own people so much, many more of them would speak out also.
It must be said loudly and clearly that this silence will be a long-lasting stain on world's moral record. The Palestinian/Islamic/Arab war to destroy Israel is the moral test of our time, just like the Concentration Camps of WWII. If you are silent on this issue, you are either morally confused, immoral or a coward. To prove my point the following bulletin was recently released by a group of the more prominent religious leaders in the United States.
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AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR CHRISTIANS IN AMERICA
Israel is facing a grave crisis. A campaign of terror is being waged with suicide bombs exploding almost daily. America’s most prominent Christian leaders have called for a nationwide Day of Prayer and Solidarity with Israel on October 20. Endorsing the Day of Prayer are Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jack Hayford, Tim LaHaye, and immediate past president of the Southern Baptist Convention, James Merritt. For more information, go to WWW.STANDFORISRAEL.ORG to find out how you and your church can show solidarity and support for Israel at this critical time. God bless you!
Abba :hugh: Dean | | | | Guest | | Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 8:22 am Post subject: Hoping that Russia Will Veto at the UN |
| What was the margin of Blair's victory in the last election over his rival? Would another Labour MP have the spine to take him on if Blair "poodles" too much for the Zionist JINSA agenda coming from the Bush administration (with approval of the pro-Israel lobby-corrupted and Zionist-occupied US Congress)?:
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/10/01/questions-from-the-anti-war-protests-for-mr-blair.php
PS: One can only hope that Russia holds firm, and then Britain would have to face the choice of invading Iraq with the USA without UN consent if Russia follows through with its veto on the UN Security Council. Never thought that I would be backing Russia doing such over my own country's government. But my country's government has been hijacked by the Zionists and their lackeys (like Zionist "born again" Christian Bush) and is pursuing an "Israel first" agenda which has the potential to inflame the Middle East region even more and drive it into turmoil in the process.
Could be an ideal chain reaction that we need though if Russia stays firm and engages its veto at the UN... This triggers more protests in the UK as I have heard that the Brits won't go without UN Security Council approval. If the Brits don't go, then many Americans won't want to go into Iraq alone.. The Brits willing to foolishly invade Iraq for the JINSA cause are bolstering Bush's ambition to invade Iraq for the benefit of his oil cronies and Israel as well... | | | | NemeBr0 | | Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 10:00 am Post subject: |
| ABBA DEAN | Quote: | | The Jew and the Christians for the most part are on the same page |
Christians Should Reassess
Support for Israel
Zionism, Anti Semitism and
American Democracy
By Henry Makow, PhD
9-24-2
Christians who believe Israel represents an outpost of Western Civilization might benefit from a book entitled "Jewish History, Jewish Religion" (1994) by Israel Shahak, a Professor Emeritus at Hebrew University.
Shahak escaped from a Nazi concentration camp and later served in the Israeli army. He is an organic chemist who combines a research scientist's objectivity with a humanist's commitment to universal ideals.
It appears that Judaism made a mistake when it rejected Christ's gospel of Love. As a consequence, Judaism may have become a primitive and possibly dangerous anachronism in the 21st Century. According to Shahak, Judaism is a xenophobic totalitarian belief system that has morphed into a fanatical Zionist ideology that now threatens the whole world. I must admit that, even as an assimilated Jew, reading this book was like taking cod liver oil, not pleasant.
Shahak writes:
1) The Talmud, which consists of rabbinical interpretations of the law, treats Christ and Christians with contempt. Unlike the Koran, which regards Christ as a great prophet, the Talmud contains "very offensive precepts and statements directed specifically against Christianity. For example, in addition to a series of scurrilous sexual allegations against Jesus, the Talmud states that his punishment in hell is to be immersed in boiling excrement. . . Jews are instructed to burn, publicly if possible, any copy of the New Testament that comes into their hands." (p. 21)
2) The Talmud treats non-Jews as sub human and directs Jews to discriminate against them. For example, the concept of adultery "does not apply to intercourse between a Jewish man and a gentile woman; rather, the Talmud equates such intercourse to the sin of bestiality." (87) Robbery (with violence) is strictly forbidden if the victim is Jewish, but is permitted if the victim is Gentile, "when they are under our rule." "The whole [rabbinical] debate is concerned only with the relative powers of Jews and gentiles rather than with universal considerations of justice and humanity, " Shahak writes. "This may be why so few rabbis have protested over the robbery of Palestinian property in Israel." (90)
3) Shahak disputes whether Judaism is in fact monotheistic: "In many if not most of the books of the Old Testament, the existence and powers of 'other Gods' are clearly acknowledged, but Yahweh (Jehovah) is the most powerful of his rivals, and forbids his people to worship them." The decay of monotheism came about through the spread of Jewish mysticism (the cabbala), which is now dominant and includes many prayers and actions designed to propitiate Satan. (32-33)
4) The Old Testament does not have the same place in Judaism as the New Testament has for Christianity. Most biblical verses are reinterpreted by the Talmud in a sense that is distinct and quite contrary to their literal meaning. For example, the famous verse 'thy shall love thy fellow as thyself' (Leviticus 19:18) is understood as an injunction to love one's fellow Jew not any fellow man. (37)
According to Shahak, classical Judaism is not so much a religion as a tyrannical system of social control administered by rabbis. Ordinary Jews were forced to obey a labyrinth of capricious laws on pain of fines, beatings or even murder, administered by the non-Jewish aristocracy that would get a share of the fines.
Aristocrats and the Jewish elite had other common interests. Throughout the middle ages, Jews served as middlemen, or bailiffs administering the oppression of the peasants by Gentile kings and nobles. Often the king would give Jews the concession to manage his holdings. Without condoning pogroms or the holocaust, this and the above-mentioned teachings are probably the real causes of anti Semitism.
The tyranny of aristocrats and rabbis was broken by the Enlightenment, which gave rise to the nation state, the middle class, democracy and the rule of reason. Jews and non-Jews alike were liberated. The New World Order represents a kind of neo feudalism, an attempt to restore the old order. Aristocrats and their moneylenders, organized in secret societies like the Freemasons (who believe in the cabbala) make up the Illuminati. It also includes dynastic families, which control large cartels in partnership with the moneylenders. For more than a hundred years, these people have worked behind the scenes to destroy the four pillars of Western Civilization: The nation-state, Christianity, democracy and the family.
Communist Russia and Israel are both Illuminati states, created to foster oligarchic world government. Israel is intended to be the seat of world government/religion. The Star of David is also a Masonic symbol.
In Communism, the sons of rabbis built a new worldly religion that mirrored the fanaticism and oppression of classical Judaism. After visiting Bolshevik Russia in 1920, Bertrand Russell wrote to Lady Ottoline Morrell: "Bolshevism is a closed tyrannical bureaucracy, with a spy system more elaborate and terrible than the Tsar's, and an aristocracy as insolent and unfeeling, composed of Americanised Jews. No vestige of liberty remains, in thought or speech or action." (The Autobiography of Bertrand Russell, paperback ed. 354)
Since World War One, the United States and England have been controlled by this IIluminati conspiracy. New York bankers financed the Bolshevik Revolution (1917) and transferred Trotsky and 270 Jewish revolutionaries to Russia to carry it out. (See Antony Sutton's Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution," http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/). They had England conquer Palestine for the Zionists at the same time.
As a result, here is the current state of American democracy:
Senate Majority leader Tom Daschle says Congress doesn't want to "rubber stamp" Bush's invasion of Iraq but "doesn't want to be uncooperative either." Senator Robert Byrd, made of sterner stuff, says his belief in the American Constitution will prevent him from voting for Bush's war resolution. "But I am finding that the Constitution is irrelevant to people in this administration." (Charleston Gazette, Sept. 21.)
Perhaps Senator Daschle is afraid of AIPAC, the powerful Zionist lobby that recently defeated Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. In his 1985 book, "They Dare to Speak Out" Paul Findley, an Illinois Congressman who was defeated by AIPAC after serving 22 years writes: "It is no overstatement to say that AIPAC has effectively gained control of Capitol Hill's action on Middle East policy.... AIPAC means powerraw intimidating power."(25)
George W. Bush, a member of an illuminati family, as well as a creature of big oil, needs little incentive to do Israel's bidding. Nevertheless, Lyndon Larouche has amassed evidence of a cadre of Zionist agents at the highest levels of the US government who control policy much like Communist agents controlled FDR .( http://larouchein2004.net/pdfs/020911pollard.pdf) See also Michael Hoffman "The Wolf of the Whitehouse." (http://www.hoffman-info.com/inferno.html)
This Zionist network, which includes Richard Perle and David Wolfowitz, pressed Bill Clinton to invade Iraq in 1998. When he resisted, they may have paralysed his administration with the Lewinsky scandal. Similarly, Sherman Skolnick believes the Mossad is blackmailing Bush with pictures of a homosexual nature. (http://www.skolnicksreport.com/ootar16.html)
In his 1995 book, "The Other Side of Deception: A Rogue Agent Exposes the Mossad's Secret Agenda" Victor Ostrovsky asked his superiors why they were trying to instigate a war between the US and Iraq. The reply was that Israel does not have the manpower and aircraft carriers to do the job. As you know, five young Mossad agents were arrested doing high-fives Sept. 11 in a parking lot across the river from the WTC where they were "documenting" the "terrorist" attack with video cameras. (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/DailyNews/2020_whitevan_020621.html)
In a speech at Harvard last week, the president Lawrence Summer, a Jew, lamented the rising tide of anti-Semitism. He attributed this to "prejudice" and says he thought "the right of the Jewish state to exist" had been decided. (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3299)
It is curious that while Palestinians are being dispossessed and persecuted, Summers thinks "Israel's right to exist" is the issue. According to Israeli commentator Uri Avnery, Arafat accepted Israel's right to exist 28 years ago but Ariel Sharon "wants a greater Israel, the extension of the settlements and eventually the elimination of the Palestinian presence west of the Jordan." (http://www.mediamonitors.net/uri88.html)
The hoisting of an Israeli flag above the ruins of Yasser Arafat's Ramallah compound tells the story. Many Israelis feel just as helpless as we do. In an article in Ha'aretz, Yoel Marcus writes of Ariel Sharon, "Our democracy has been commandeered by one man." (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=210556&)
Curious how Lawrence Summers refers to opposition to the Zionist agenda as "prejudice." Anger over Zionist control of the US government, its muzzling of education and the media, and possible involvement in Sept. 11 is hardly what I would call "prejudice." For generations Jews have dehumanized other people by denying their legitimate grievances. In Shahak's words, "an enslaved peasant [who rebels] is transformed into a racist monster if Jews profited from his state of slavery and exploitation." (73)
No people should be tarred by the actions of a few. Most Jews (including Israelis) are themselves victims of the Illuminati Zionist conspiracy. Yitzak Rabin was murdered because of his sincere desire to make peace. I believe people are individuals and should be judged as such.
Nonetheless Jews must confront the reasons for anti Semitism or else it will spread. We must confront Jews (and non-Jews) who have become bailiffs in the New World Order, and join our neighbors in restoring democracy, freedom and truth to our beleaguered planet.
Henry Makow is the inventor of the board game Scruples and the author of
"A Long Way to go for a Date." His articles are archived at his web site www.savethemales.ca He welcomes your comments at henrym@mts.net
Abba, nothing could be further from the truth than your quote | | | | NemeBr0 | | Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 10:07 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | The Jew and the Christians for the most part are on the same page |
Jewish hatred towards Christianity
By professor Israel Shahak*
Dishonouring Christian religious symbols is an old religious duty in Judaism. Spitting on the cross, an especially on the Crucifix, and spitting when a Jew passes a church, havebeen obligatory from around AD 200 for pious Jews. In the past, when the danger of anti-Semitic hostility was a real one, the pious Jews were commanded by their rabbis either to spit so that the reason for doing so would be unknown, or to spit onto their chests, not actually on the cross or openly before the church. The increasing strength of the Jewish state has caused these customs to become more open again but there should be no mistake: The spitting on the cross for converts from Christianity to Judaism , organized in Kibbutz Sa'ad and financed by the Israeli government is a an act
of traditional Jewish piety. It does not seize to be barbaric, horrifying and wicked because of this! On the contrary, it is worse because it is so traditional, and much more dangerous as well, just as the renewed anti-Semitism of the Nazis was dangerous, because in part, it played on the traditional anti-Semitic past.
This barbarous attitude of contempt and hate for Christian religious symbols has grown in Israel. In the 1950s Israel issued a series of stamps representing pictures of Israeli cities. In the picture of Nazareth, there was a church and on its top a cross - almost invisible, perhaps the size of a millimeter. Nevertheless, the religious parties, supported by many on the Zionist "left" made a scandal and the stamps were quickly withdrawn and replaced by an almost identical series from which the microscopic cross was withdrawn.
Then there was the long-drawn-out battle about Christian influence in elementary arithmetic. Pious Jews object to the international plus sign for it is a cross, and it may in their opinion, influence little children to convert to Christianity. Another "explanation" holds; it would then be difficult to "educate" them to spit on the cross, if they become used to it in their arithmetic exercises. Until the early 1970s two different sets of arithmetic books were used in Israel. One for the secular schools, employing an inverted "T" sign. In the early '70's the religious fanatics "converted" the Labour Party to the great
danger of the cross in arithmetic, and from that time, in all Hebrew elementary schools and now many high schools as well) the international plus sign has beeen forbidden.
Similar development is visible in other areas of education. Teaching the New
Testament was always forbidden, but in the old time conscientious teachers of history used to circumvent the prohibition, by organizing seminars or sending the students to libraries (not the school libraries, of course). About 10 years ago there was a wave of denouncing such teachers. One in Jerualem was almost sacked, for advising her history pupils, who were studying the history of Jews in Palestine around 30-40 AD, that it would be a good thing if they would read a few chapters of the New Testament as a historical aid. She retained her post only after humbly promising not to do this again.
However in recent years, anti-Christian feelings are literally exploding in Israel (and among Israel-worshipping Jews in Diaspora too) together with the increase of the Jewish fanaticism in all other areas too.
The real enemies of truth here, as in many other aspects of the Israel reality, are the socialists, "liberals", "radicals", etc. in the USA. Imagine the reaction of the US Liberals, and of such papers as The Nation and New York Review of Books, not to speak of the New York Times if in any state whatsoever, the government financed spitting on a Star of David? But when here in Israel, the government finances the spitting on a cross, they are and will continue to be, quite silent. More than this, they helpt to finance it. United States taxpayers, who are of course mostly Christians, are finacing at least half the Israeli budget, one way or another, and therfore the spitting on the cross too.
* Professor Israel Shahak is an israeli citizen, former concentration camp inmate during WW II, and the founder of Israel's Human Rights League. His new book "Jewish History, Jewish Religion" about Jewish hatred and contempt toward Gentiles, is highly recommended. | | | | Guest | | Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 2:57 pm Post subject: Disagree totally with your racist statements |
| :(
Israel is there, deserves to be there,
needs American assistance to survive
the mid eastern PIGS who wish to
annihilate all Jews, drive them into
the sea. Don't like Sharron, but dislike
anti-Israelites much more. I don't trust
ANY PIG who wishes to hurt Israel. No,
I am NOT Jewish but would be proud of
it if I was. America is not always right,
we are driven by oil interests in the
mid-east, but we ARE right in supporting
Israel no matter what! Poo on you! | | | | Guest | | Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2002 3:07 pm Post subject: |
| Mid Eastern PIGS??? That bares well with the title of your post then.
Another racist on the prowl.
Id say racists, of any sort, on any side are pigs.
That sort of makes you a pig then too, and whats more, a racist pig to boot.
And pigs roll in pooh, so the poohs on you. | | | | Guest | | | | Guest | | | | Abbadean | | Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2002 12:47 am Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | "Jewish History, Jewish Religion" (1994) |
The key "my cut and paste friend". Is a lot has changed since 1994 and even more since 1944. If you have a thought of your own, we would like to hear it. The garbage you are trying to sell is not worthy of much reply.
Let me ask you when was the last time Israelis attacked a Mosque? While around the world the muslims continue to attack the Jews and the Chistians. Sept. 25: an attack on the Institute for Peace and Justice, a Christian charity in Karachi, killed seven.
There have also been more and more non-lethal assaults on churches and church services. There is no doubt about the motives of the perpetrators: Militant Islamic groups brazenly speak their minds, declaring their goal is "to kill Christians" and afterwards bragging of having "killed the nonbelievers." Now, you dare to challange me that the Jew and Christians are coming together! Maybe, your wish is to divide but your actions drive us together. Where we should have been anyway I hasten to add.
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