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PLAYING SKITTLES WITH SADDAM
The gameplan among Washington's hawks has long been to reshape the
Middle East along US-Israeli lines, writes Brian Whitaker
-- The Guardian (Britain) -- Tuesday, September 3, 2002
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,785394,00.html
In a televised speech last week, President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt
predicted devastating consequences for the Middle East if Iraq is attacked.
"We fear a state of disorder and chaos may prevail in the region," he
said. Mr Mubarak is an old-fashioned kind of Arab leader and, in the
brave new post-September-11 world, he doesn't quite get the point.
What on earth did he expect the Pentagon's hawks to do when they heard
his words of warning? Throw up their hands in dismay? - "Gee, thanks,
Hosni. We never thought of that. Better call the whole thing off right away."
They are probably still splitting their sides with laughter in the
Pentagon. But Mr Mubarak and the hawks do agree on one thing: war with
Iraq could spell disaster for several regimes in the Middle East. Mr
Mubarak believes that would be bad. The hawks, though, believe it would
be good.
For the hawks, disorder and chaos sweeping through the region would not
be an unfortunate side-effect of war with Iraq, but a sign that
everything is going according to plan.
In their eyes, Iraq is just the starting point - or, as a recent
presentation at the Pentagon put it, "the tactical pivot" - for
re-moulding the Middle East on Israeli-American lines.
This reverses the usual approach in international relations where
stability is seen as the key to peace, and whether or not you like your
neighbours, you have to find ways of living with them. No, say the
hawks. If you don't like the neighbours, get rid of them.
The hawks claim that President Bush has already accepted their plan and
made destabilisation of "despotic regimes" a central goal of his foreign
policy. They cite passages from his recent speeches as proof of this,
though whether Mr Bush really knows what he has accepted is unclear. The
"skittles theory"
of the Middle East - that one ball aimed at Iraq can knock down several
regimes - has been around for some time on the wilder fringes of
politics but has come to the fore in the United States on the back of
the "war against terrorism".
Its roots can be traced, at least in part, to a paper published in 1996
by an Israeli thinktank, the Institute for Advanced Strategic and
Political Studies. Entitled "A clean break: a new strategy for securing
the realm", it was intended as a political blueprint for the incoming
government of Binyamin Netanyahu. As the title indicates, it advised the
right-wing Mr
Netanyahu to make a complete break with the past by adopting a strategy
"based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores
strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every
possible energy on rebuilding Zionism ..."
Among other things, it suggested that the recently-signed Oslo accords
might be dispensed with - "Israel has no obligations under the Oslo
agreements if the PLO does not fulfil its obligations" - and that
"alternatives to [Yasser] Arafat's base of power" could be cultivated.
"Jordan has ideas on this," it added.
It also urged Israel to abandon any thought of trading land for peace
with the Arabs, which it described as "cultural, economic, political,
diplomatic, and military retreat".
"Our claim to the land - to which we have clung for hope for 2,000 years
- is legitimate and noble," it continued. "Only the unconditional
acceptance by Arabs of our rights, especially in their territorial
dimension, 'peace for peace', is a solid basis for the future."
The paper set out a plan by which Israel would "shape its strategic
environment", beginning with the removal of Saddam Hussein and the
installation of a Hashemite monarchy in Baghdad.
With Saddam out of the way and Iraq thus brought under Jordanian
Hashemite influence, Jordan and Turkey would form an axis along with
Israel to weaken and "roll back" Syria. Jordan, it suggested, could also
sort out Lebanon by "weaning" the Shia Muslim population away from Syria
and Iran, and re-establishing their former ties with the Shia in the new
Hashemite kingdom of Iraq. "Israel will not only contain its foes; it
will transcend them", the paper concluded.
To succeed, the paper stressed, Israel would have to win broad American
support for these new policies - and it advised Mr Netanyahu to
formulate them "in language familiar to the Americans by tapping into
themes of American administrations during the cold war which apply well
to Israel".
At first glance, there's not much to distinguish the 1996 "Clean Break"
paper from the outpourings of other right-wing and ultra-Zionist
thinktanks ... except for the names of its authors.
The leader of the "prominent opinion makers" who wrote it was Richard
Perle - now chairman of the Defence Policy Board at the Pentagon.
Also among the eight-person team was Douglas Feith, a neo-conservative
lawyer, who now holds one of the top four posts at the Pentagon as
under-secretary of policy.
Mr Feith has objected to most of the peace deals made by Israel over the
years, and views the Middle East in the same good-versus-evil terms that
he previously viewed the cold war. He regarded the Oslo peace process as
nothing more than a unilateral withdrawal which "raises life-and-death
issues for the Jewish state".
Two other opinion-makers in the team were David Wurmser and his wife,
Meyrav (see US thinktanks give lessons in foreign policy, August 19).
Mrs Wurmser was co-founder of Memri, a Washington-based charity that
distributes articles translated from Arabic newspapers portraying Arabs
in a bad light. After working with Mr Perle at the American Enterprise
Institute, David Wurmser is now at the State Department, as a special
assistant to John Bolton, the under-secretary for arms controcontrol and
international security.
A fifth member of the team was James Colbert, of the Washington-based
Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (Jinsa) - a bastion of
neo-conservative hawkery whose advisory board was previously graced by
Dick Cheney (now US vice-president), John Bolton and Douglas Feith.
One of Jinsa's stated aims is "to inform the American defence and
foreign affairs community about the important role Israel can and does
play in bolstering democratic interests in the Mediterranean and the
Middle East". In practice, a lot of its effort goes into sending retired
American military brass on jaunts to Israel - after which many of them
write suitably hawkish newspaper articles or letters to the editor.
Jinsa's activities are examined in detail by Jason Vest in the September
2 issue of The Nation. The article notes some interesting business
relationships between retired US military officers on Jinsa's board and
American companies supplying weapons to Israel.
With several of the "Clean Break" paper's authors now holding key
positions in Washington, the plan for Israel to "transcend" its foes by
reshaping the Middle East looks a good deal more achievable today than
it did in 1996. Americans may even be persuaded to give up their lives
to achieve it.
The six-year-old plan for Israel's "strategic environment" remains more
or less intact, though two extra skittles - Saudi Arabia and Iran - have
joined Iraq, Syria and Lebanon on the hit list.
Whatever members of the Iraqi opposition may think, the plan to replace
Saddam Hussein with a Hashemite monarch - descendants of the Prophet
Muhammad who rule Jordan - is also very much alive. Evidence of this was
strengthened by the surprise arrival of Prince Hassan, former heir to
the Jordanian throne, at a meeting of exiled Iraqi officers in London
last July.
The task of promoting Prince Hassan as Iraq's future king has fallen to
Michael Rubin, who currently works at the American Enterprise Institute
but will shortly take up a new job at the Pentagon, dealing with
post-Saddam Iraq.
One of the curious aspects of this neo-conservative intrigue is that so
few people outside the United States and Israel take it seriously.
Perhaps, like President Mubarak, they can't imagine that anyone who
holds a powerful position in the United States could be quite so reckless.
But nobody can accuse the neo-conservatives of concealing their
intentions: they write about them constantly in American newspapers.
Just two weeks ago, an article in the Washington Times by Tom Neumann,
executive director of Jinsa, spelled out the plan in clear, cold terms:
"Jordan will likely survive the coming war with US assistance, so will
some of the sheikhdoms. The current Saudi regime will likely not.
"The Iran dissident movement would be helped enormously by the demise of
Saddam, and the Palestinians would have to know that the future lies
with the West. Syria's Ba'athist dictatorship will likely fall
unmourned, liberating Lebanon as well.
"Israel and Turkey, the only current democracies in the region, will
find themselves in a far better neighbourhood." Would anyone like to bet
on that?
http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=332011
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/08/16/zionist-leaders-wanting-to-attack-iraq-for-israel.php
Jewish JINSA Driving US Invasion of Iraq:
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/09/18/jewish-jinsa-driving-us-invasion-of-iraq.php
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/09/18/israeli-troops-fire-on-u-n-delegation-in-gaza-reuters.php
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&s=vest
The Men From JINSA and CSP
by JASON VEST
[from the September 2, 2002 issue]
Subj: Fwd: Israel is an evil apartheid theocracy.
Date: 9/18/02 8:06:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Billjoy67
I don't get it. I don't understand why we don't send weapons inspectors
into Israel as well? Israel poses a greater threat to peace in the
Middle East with their violent racist mentality more so than Iraq or
Iran.
Israel possesses weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and about 200-500
nuclear weapons. Why are they not signatory to Biological and Toxin
Weapons Convention (BTWC) ? Or the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty (NPT)?
Why doesn't the US media ever condem Israel for the atrocracies done to
the Palestinians? Is it completely owned by Zionist Jews?
Israel even attacked a US Navy ship, call the USS Liberty,
http://www.ussliberty.org/ and they still haven't done anything about
this. Where's the JUSTICE???
I can't wait to see monetary reparations for all those affected by the
Palestinian Holocoust. It's probably going to be in the billions $$$.
And monetary reparations for the 34 US sailors killed and 171 wounded
by the Israeli Defense Forces:
HTTP://WWW.USSLIBERTY.ORG
Israel, and that terrorist Sharon should not be above the law!
MASSACRE REMEMBERED:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2255902.stm
legacy of ariel sharon:
http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=54872
http://www.independent.co.uk/search.jsp?keywords=hobeika&submit=Go
Anybody else see Israel as a problem?
America First!!!
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/index.php
PLEASE CONTACT YOUR CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVE AND DEMAND THAT THE USA NOT INVADE IRAQ FOR ZIONIST JINSA:
HTTP://WWW.CONGRESS.GOV | |  | | Guest | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 12:44 am Post subject: |
| In a message dated 9/19/02 5:00:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, info@metavisual.com writes:
Subj:What happened? Slight of hand?
Date:9/19/02 5:00:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From:info@metavisual.com
Fellow citizens,
I have a few questions. A few weeks ago, the primary reason for the Bush
adminstration to invade Iraq was because Hussein's government would not
allow weapon inspectors in. Then Hussein said okay to complete weapons
inspections.
But now the Bush administration said this is not enough?
So the message I'm getting is that it doesn't matter as to whatever the
Iraqis do it won't be good enough. The Bush administration will invade
Iraq and kill Iraqis anyway.
Why doesn't Bush just say US forces are going to invade Iraq anyway. Why
doesn't he say he's sending Americans into harms way for the benefit of
the Israelis and oil companies?
Doesn't the article just forwared by RN from the NYT support this
completely?
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The German Problem (Shouldn't this read 'The Jewish Problem' ? As a
response later raises.)
September 19, 2002 By WILLIAM SAFIRE
WASHINGTON - At a meeting in the Axel Springer building in Hamburg on
Aug.
27 with about 30 American friends of Germany, the defense minister who
had
been recently booted out of Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's cabinet for
financial irregularities was asked why Germany was so loudly opposed to
President Bush's campaign to oust Saddam Hussein.
Rudolf Scharping reported that he had answered that very question in a
Schröder cabinet meeting: it was all about the Jews. Bush was motivated
to
overthrow Saddam by his need to curry favor with what Scharping called
"a
powerful - perhaps overly powerful - Jewish lobby" in the coming U.S.
elections. Jeb Bush needed their votes in Florida as George Pataki did
in
New York, and Congressional redistricting made Jewish votes central to
control of Congress.
...
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Second, Safire tries to focus on the German company of Bertelsmann and
book publishing. I mean who cares. There is nothing like the control and
influence that the Jews have over this country's political media
(Newspapers, Magazines, Television and Film) and what about the Jewish
control and influence over this country's political system?
Sorry folks, but I've concluded that the Jews are the FIFTH COLUMN in
this country. They pose a threat to democracy and equality greater than
any terrorist group could be. That's right, I'm not making a distinction
anymore between Zionist and Jew. Here's a case where you have to 'lump
and dump'. Just as the precedence and standards have been set already.
Just as the Bush administration says that 'racial profiling' is
perfectly okay. Just as the FBI and CIA refuses to investigate Mossad,
Amdocs, Comverse, the 'Israeli Art Scandal', and the attack on the USS
Liberty.
Before 9/11 I could not have even thought such thoughts. I was strongly
against racial profiling of any kind. But the actions of the Jews and
Zionist make it very difficult for one to be a humanist when they
manipulate the media and the democratic process.
E
Subj: Re: What happened? Slight of hand?
Date: 9/19/02 5:31:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time
erik,
completely agree with you as i am sure you will be interested in the following message thread titled, "the jewish problem"
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/09/19/the-jewish-problem.php
please also access the following about israeli nukes...
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/middle-east-and-asia/2002/09/19/bush-must-say-no-to-israeli-nuclear-blackmail.php
the following was also an interesting reply that i saw on one of the aol message boards...
Re: Double standards:Israel must have inspections too!
Date: 9/19/02 4:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: MadDogz2k1
Message-id: <20020919194131.00905.00005606@mb-ms.aol.com>
>heck, it is bad enough to know that israel is ripping off us taxpayers to the
>amount of 10 to 15 million dollars a day via a pro-israel lobby-corrupted us
>congress as mentioned in the message thread that appears near the top of the
>following israel message board..
>Arabs receive more aid and murder Americans. Israel is a great ally, and
>that fact gives you the itch. No problem though, losers like you need to
>feel someone is below you. How does it feel to be on the lowest end of
>humanity?
"Not only does the Jewish Lobby create a strong group that allows the State of Israel to receive about $8.5 Billion in aid per year (The most aid given by the USA to a foreign ally) . It also allows the State of Israel access to $10 Billion USD in guaranteed loan (Guaranteed by the
USA).
Check this out also:
Most (if not all) of the recent Corporate Fiasco were of Jewish Decent:
Global Crossing:
- Gary Winnick
(Fact: Contributes fundings to the Natoinal Jewish Congress & AIPAC)
IMCLONE:
- Samuel Waksal
(Fact: Helped his father - A Holocaust Survivor and Daughter & of course
Himself, dumped IMCLONE shares based on insider trading)
(Fact: A Contributor to the Natoinal Jewish Congress & active member of AIPAC))
ENRON:
- Michael Kopper
- Andrew Fastow & Wife
(Fact: Fastow also contributed to the National Jewish Congress & to AIPAC)
not to mention that A. Fastow even asked prosecutors to use his local
Rabi - based in Houston, as a character witness)
Aldelphia Communication:
- John Rigas (And 2 sons)
(Fact: Rigas is a big contributor to the AIPAC) and promotes financial contribution to the National Jewish Congess).
Marc Rich:
(Fact: Wanted by the US Federal Gov't for tax evation covering more than $550 Million USD) (That amount can be used by US farm workers as subsidies or even help out unemployed Americans get by).
(Fact: Hiding in Switzerland and contributed over $300 Million he stole from
US Tax Payers to the State of Israel)
(Fact: Even lobbied - using his wife - to get politicians to place him on
the Pardon lists of President Clinton. This was also lobbied heavily by
former Israel Prime Minister Barak).
Now, do your math. Don't tell me that anyone of these so called well educated men/women of high social stature, who bilked many honest tax paying Americans from their hard earned money (even retirement funds) in able for themselves to earn a few millions here and there. Are they honest to goodness Americans ?? Or are they here to bilk the country and focus their life in helping their own family and
the State of Israel....
Remember that many of the Bilked Honest Americans are of retirement ages and would have to go back to work at the age of 60, just because of these so called dignified executives.......
Is this right or wrong ???
Lastly, I am willing to bet that most (if not all) of these men are using the route of asking members of AIPAC) and the National Jewish Congress in helping them out of the predicament they are in. Aferall, they did contribute before......" | | | | Anglo Thug | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 2:58 am Post subject: "Why don't they like us"? |
| subject: Peter Jennings-forgot the record ****
Date: 9/19/02 2:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: Jondanpa
Message-id: <20020919172134.22061.00003974@mb-de.aol.com>
Recently, Peter Jennings of ABC narrated a video of the 1972 Munich
Olympics in which 11 members of the Israeli team were killed by Palestinians ----
called terrorist. Jennings made no mention of American aircraft used by Israel
in a retaliation raid that killed over 200 Palestinian civilians --women, men and
school children. In addition, there was no mention, not even a hint, on what
caused the Palestinian attack on the Israeli team---which is typical of our
controlled "free" press on stories concerning Israel. Below is a point of interest some may find interesting that involves the Palestinian action at Munich in which ABC [actually all of media] continue to black out from the public.
Israeli historians have admitted [just a little] that scores of massacres have been
committed by the Israeli government of not only Palestinian civilians, women and
children, but also of thousand of POWs. In "Operation Refugee" of 1967,
Palestinians were permitted to return to their home land. Around 17,000 began the
trip back and the Israeli army, under orders from Rabin, Herzog and army
commander Narkis, killed all these refugees. A report by Eyal Ehrlich observes that
no one reported, no one counted the bodies, no one investigated or punished.
Soldiers were ordered to shoot if the heard "the crying of an infant."[ref Ambush on
the Jordan" Koteret Rashit,14 Aug. 1985]
Some Israeli journalist became aware of the massacre but preferred to not disturb
the victory celebrations.[ref. report no.19, Alternative Information Center,14th
E.Koresh St., Jerusalem and Chomsky Reader, page 555-556]
One should remember the Clinton administration,along with many members of Congress were pushing and shoving to board the planes for the Rabin funeral including former President Bush---they all praised Rabin as a great man. Was the American flag at half-staff?
There have been massacres of thousands of POWs, arms tied behind their back and
shot to death by the Israeli army. One in particular was of an Israeli general[Sharon?]
who gleefully poured water onto the sand in front 60 captured Egyptian soldiers, arms tied behind their back, begging for water---then the general used several ammo clips shooting the prisoners.
And some Americans ask "Why don't they like us"? | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 10:49 pm Post subject: |
| Jonpanda and Guest
| Quote: | | Around 17,000 began the trip back and the Israeli army, under orders from Rabin, Herzog and army commander Narkis, killed all the refugees. |
17,000 men were killed and nobody is aware of it? That a cover up exists by the world press? Where are the remains?
I certainly don't deny attrocities occur in both sides. And Israel is no victim. But your implication that the Munich massacre can be somehow justified is revealing for your motives.
As to the 17,000 refugees murdered and the bodies never been discovered or disclosed. What did the Jews do, use a crematorium? Even the Katyn Forest massacre could not be hidden.
The real question is NOT "why don't they like us?" but are you that stupid? | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 11:10 pm Post subject: |
| Jeff, I cant believe that either, im off to do a little research. No smoke without fire and all that, but I dont expect to unearth anything like those numbers killed in any cold blooded massacre.
I have to admit to being Pal sided in the present troubles, but unless theres evidence for summit like that, then word of mouth story's shouldnt be branded about without putting up some proof, it does no side fo the conflict any good. | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
