| Author | Message | | Guest | | Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2002 10:25 pm Post subject: |
| Id suggest any Americans who read any of this, dont take any notice of either of us then and visit http://usliberty.org and make up their own minds about their own vets.
You dont need me or the previous poster to make your minds up for you. And look at the links and visit some of the other sites.
This is not just a little spat on this message board as the previous poster would like you to think.
And it isnt going to go away no matter how some would like to see it go away.
Yes it is amusing to see the vitriol that usually comes out from one side when the Liberty is mentioned. The crew by the way they would tell us are all anti semites. Theyve had all that thrown at them, and for what?
For wanting their colleauges put to rest and some closure, which like the poster above doesnt seem to want.
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it's suggested that if one truly wishes to learn more on the incident, they get off the net, and conduct some serious research of available material. if that's not possible, the mentioned site above is not going to help anyone understand all the elements which have come to represent this event. however, perhaps by dropping in on http://www.libertyincident.com/ (along w/ others) one can start to understand that some of the more outlandish claims being posted aren't even close to being factual.
based on the posting history of some individuals, and the sincere conviction of some of the survivors, the subject won't go away, that's a fact. but nor will it change the status of the incident from one of a mistake in identity to one of a deliberate attack by the Israelis against a ship they knew to be american. (for some "reason(s)" which continue to remain unknown)
and by attempting to do so, they do not bring honor to those who sacrificed their lives in the service of their country. but then that's not the point by these various posts, now is it. closure does not come by attempting to keep the tragic incident alive as only a political weapon (in addition to repeating multiple inaccurate claims in the process.) | |  | | Guest | | | | Guest | | Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2002 6:50 am Post subject: Re: treacherous israeli uss liberty attack |
| | Anonymous wrote: | | http://christianparty.net/ussliberty.htm |
I declare, let the light shine in and we all will be saved by the Christian Party web site - or not.
Lord help us now, for we will all be saved by the Christian Party web site - or not.
Lock your doors and keep your children at home, for we will all be saved by the Christian Party web site - or not.
How about a simple - NOT. | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:10 pm Post subject: |
| Another shoot the messenger nut.
Although I would agree
If we shoot all the messengers we'd all be sitting safely now.
So rather than Salt treaties this time around, why dont we just ban all the messengers especially the religious ones.
Start with the Christian one you speak of, then work our way thru the jewish ones too, closely followed by muslim, hindu, bhuddist and Sikh etc.
Thats it then anything spurted out by religious connected groups should be ignored.
Praise be to God/Allah and pass the ammunition.
Do we all agree not to quote any religiously driven messages on this board as a start to projecting this all over the net then? | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2002 7:12 pm Post subject: |
| "Praise be to God/Allah and pass the ammunition."
Amen. How, "let's roll!" | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:45 am Post subject: VFW RESOLUTION DEMANDS USS LIBERTY INVESTIGATION |
| Resolution No. 470
Veterans of Foreign Wars
INVESTIGATE THE ATTACK ON THE U.S.S. LIBERTY
WHEREAS, on June 8, 1967, the U.S.S. Liberty, while operating in
international waters in the eastern Mediterranean, was the target of an
attack by Israel's war planes and torpedo boats; and
WHEREAS, this attack killed 34 members of the U.S.S. Liberty's crew and
wounded 171 other United States personnel on board, in addition to causing
extensive damage to the ship; and
WHEREAS, a controversy continues to surround the attack on the U.S.S.
Liberty in that some Americans believe the attack was deliberate and others
believe the attack was a mistake by the Israeli military; and
WHEREAS, aircraft dispatched from U.S. aircraft carriers to aid the U.S.S.
Liberty were recalled, and this action may have resulted in the death and
injury of additional American service members; and
WHEREAS, the sailors and Marines and their families should have closure of
this tragic attack and its aftermath; and
WHEREAS, the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty is the only such naval
incident to have never been investigated by Congress; now, therefore
BE IT RESOLVED, by the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States, that
we call upon Congress to immediately investigate the attack on the U.S.S.
Liberty that was perpetrated by the armed forces of the State of Israel on
June 8, 1967, in order to determine the truth behind the attack.
Submitted by Department of Wisconsin To Committee on NATIONAL SECURITY AND
FOREIGN AFFAIRS
The intent of this resolution is:
To call upon Congress to investigate the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty by
Israeli forces on June 8, 1967 to determine the truth behind the attack. | | | | Guest | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 11:53 am Post subject: CALIFORNIA CONGRESS OF REPUBLICANS |
| CALIFORNIA CONGRESS OF REPUBLICANS
RESOLUTION 02/08/18-1 DETERMINE FACTS SURROUNDING USS LIBERTY ATTACK
Resolution Adopted August 18, 2002 By The California Congress of
Republicans Board of Directors
WHEREAS on June 8, 1967, the USS LIBERTY, while operating peacefully in
international waters, was attacked by air and sea forces of the state of
Israel, killing 34 crew members and injuring 171, AND
WHEREAS the attack was labeled by Secretary of State George Ball as the
"blatant murder of American citizens", AND
WHEREAS evidence has been developed that shows that the Israeli government
knew that its forces were attacking an American Naval vessel, and continued
the attack from sea and air for several hours while the ship flew a large
American flag, AND
WHEREAS it was reported that American Navy fighter aircraft, launched to
come to the aid of the Liberty, were recalled by officials of the Johnson
administration before they could reach the scene, AND
WHEREAS the surviving crew members and the surviving families of those
killed have sought for many years to have this incident investigated, and
yet the incident remains the only U.S. Naval disaster never fully
investigated, AND
WHEREAS veterans' groups have been joined by the Wisconsin state
legislature in formally asking for a Congressional investigation of the
incident, AND
WHEREAS, the C.C.R. has been asked by Liberty survivors to adopt this
resolution,
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the California Congress of Republicans call
upon members of Congress to honor the veterans and survivors by
investigating the attack on the USS Liberty and reporting their findings, AND
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that a copy of this Resolution be sent to all
California Republican members of Congress members, to the USS Liberty
Veterans Association and place a copy of this Resolution in the official
CCR Book of Resolutions. | | | | Guest | | Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2002 12:29 pm Post subject: |
| it's suggested that if one truly wishes to learn more on the incident, they get off the net, and conduct some serious research of available material. if that's not possible, the mentioned site above is not going to help anyone understand all the elements which have come to represent this event. however, perhaps by dropping in on http://www.libertyincident.com/ (along w/ others) one can start to understand that some of the more outlandish claims being posted aren't even close to being factual.
Below published on the Liberty site you are so willing to critisise.
Anyone visiting the site will see it contains both sides of the story as told by many. I would suggest that any politics being brought into this is by you.
As a vet I have no interest in seeing anything but justice done to other vets, if you cannot understand that then thats just tough on you.
based on the posting history of some individuals, and the sincere conviction of some of the survivors, the subject won't go away, that's a fact. but nor will it change the status of the incident from one of a mistake in identity to one of a deliberate attack by the Israelis against a ship they knew to be american. (for some "reason(s)" which continue to remain unknown)
and by attempting to do so, they do not bring honor to those who sacrificed their lives in the service of their country. but then that's not the point by these various posts, now is it. closure does not come by attempting to keep the tragic incident alive as only a political weapon (in addition to repeating multiple inaccurate claims in the process.)
And that says it all, but you are correct the subject will not go away and that is a fact, as to changing the status of the incident, time will tell, it will certainly not go away just becuase you want it to.
Some may indeed use the subject as a political weapon, you though dishounor the many that dont.
As to incaccurate claims, you would I take it be the answer to all our questions as you do indeed know the truth of the matter, in fact you dont and nor do I, and that is the point of all this,,but you just dont see it do you? Or maybe you do.
Closure does not come by trying to keep the tragic incident alive you say?
I question that statement, closure will in fact only come when the crew and relatives of dead and survivors say so, not when I say so and certainly not when you say so.
I couldnt give a fig if your Isreali, American, Jewish, Catholic, blsck white or brown or the green man from planet zog, this is not about politics except to those like yourself who keep putting the reasons for this in your posts, this is about the crew of the USS Liberty, and your right it wont go away, so whats the problem in giving them what they want? Not what I want, not what you want, and not what any politically motivated jump on the bandwagon tosspots want, this is about what the crew and relatives of a USN ship, attacked in International waters want.
Give them what they want and end it dead.
Is this site fair and balanced?
Does it present fairly the Israeli position?
Does it show only our own viewpoint?
Some visitors to this site have complained that
it overemphasizes the survivors' position
without sufficient attention to the Israeli
side of the story.
We attempt to show both sides. In an effort to
do that, the site includes the official Israeli
position as reported by an Israeli judge who
investigated the attack for the Israeli
Government -- even though that report is still
considered top secret by the Israeli government.
We also present the published viewpoints of a
number of Israeli and pro-Israel writers. We
will add more as we come across them.
We have asked the Israeli Embassy and other
Israeli officials for their viewpoints. They
have responded only by repeating some
questionable assertions by one A. Jay Cristol
who seems to serve frequently as an Embassy
spokesman in these matters. We do not find
Mr. Cristol to be a credible source.
The most comprehensive Israeli report on this
attack was published in September 1984 in the
Atlantic Monthly by two Israeli writers. We
have asked the writers and the magazine to
authorize us to publish that article in the
site. There has been no reply. If we get
permission, we will publish the entire article.
While they will not allow us to publish it,
the Israeli Embassy has in the past
distributed copies of that article to citizens
who have inquired. An Embassy spokesman
tells us that they no longer do that, and that
we should refer people not to the Embassy but
to their local public library.
If you do that, please let us know whether you
find it persuasive.
We continue to link to other sites that are
critical of our position, and to newsgroups
that argue against us. We are confident of our
position and have no fear of such things.
If any visitor to this web site has an argument
he would like to see posted here, send it to
us. If it is of reasonable length and not
abusive, we will publish it here.
Unfortunately, most of the critics of our
story seem to find it necessary to argue in a
highly heated, abusive, and often profane
way. Some of those attacks can be found in
the site. We think they say more about our
critics than about us.
If any visitor to this web site would like
to create his own web site with the Israeli
viewpoint, we would welcome that and would
be pleased to exchange reciprocal links with
such a site.
To find ongoing discussions of this issue,
the Wide World Web's "Deja News" tool will
reveal any newsgroup where USS Liberty or
related terms have been mentioned. We invite
visitors to go there and jump into the debate.
Interested parties can register for one lively
email discussion by visiting
http://www.ussliberty.com/discuss/ | | | | Guest | | Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2002 3:06 am Post subject: |
| Give them what they want and end it dead.
Doesn't take much research using the net, or better yet, not using the net to show that the incident has already been investigated, multiple times, by multiple parties. It's already known what the basic claim, as represented by the suurvivor's web site, happens to be.
So the question truly is, why does there need to be yet another investigation? The last time Congress looked at their claims (1991), there wasn't a determination that there was any merit to the claim. That basic fact is clearly outlined in the new book written by that Federal judge and retired naval aviator, Cristol.
Is this site fair and balanced?
As was stated by another, using the information only from this web site does not allow you to accurately judge this event. It especially doesn't allow you to be well-informed on it.
It certainly won't be the basis for any further investigation(s) by any branch of the US gov't.
To find ongoing discussions of this issue,
the Wide World Web's "Deja News" tool will
reveal any newsgroup where USS Liberty or
related terms have been mentioned. We invite
visitors to go there and jump into the debate.
A search shows that it's been two years since any of the more outspoken survivors, especially the two who created this survivor's web site, have taken part in any newsgroup discussion. They've abandoned that approach, and now depend on various spammers to copy & paste various stories created. The only assumption is that it's believed this approach to spreading the gossip is having a positive impact, and not a negative one ...???
Interested parties can register for one lively
email discussion by visiting
http://www.ussliberty.com/discuss/
Doesn't appear to be the case. It's appears to be a dead end. That might be fitting. | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
