| Author | Message | | msteffan1 | | Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2002 5:02 pm Post subject: USA/ISREAL...ALLIES OR JUST A BIG POCKET? |
| Intersting link regarding USA/Isreal and arms to other countries:
http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/israel.htm
In addition just a few occurances over the years:
ACCESSION NUMBER:221332
1ILE ID:PO-102
DATE:03/30/92
TITLE:DEFENSE DEPARTMENT REPORT, MONDAY, MARCH 30 (03/30/92)
TEXT:*92033002.POL
DEFENSE DEPARTMENT REPORT, MONDAY, MARCH 30
(Technology diversion, Soviet submarines) (350)
CHENEY AWAITS PATRIOT INVESTIGATION REPORT
Defense Secretary Cheney says the United States has "good reason to
believe" that U.S. Patriot missile technology was diverted from Israel to
another country.
But Cheney told reporters after addressing the Associated General
Contractors of America March 30 that he would "reserve judgment" on the
matter until receiving "final results from the team" of U.S. experts sent
to Israel to determine if Patriot technology was transferred to China.
High-level Israeli officials have said that the U.S. delegation which
inspected Patriot missile batteries found no evidence of such a transfer.
Asked if the alleged diversion to China might have been made by the Saudis,
Cheney noted that "the Patriot batteries that are in Saudi Arabia are
manned by Americans." The notion that the Saudis might have somehow
transferred the missile technology, Cheney said, "just doesn't stand up
under any kind analysis at all."
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ISRAEL, U.S. SUCCESSFULLY TEST ANTI-MISSILE LASER SYSTEM
ISRAEL LINE
FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 9, 1996
The Pentagon announced that the first trial of a JONITLY developed
Israeli-American anti-missile laser beam system was successful, YEDIOT
AHARONOT reported.
In the test, the laser beam system succeeded in intercepting an unarmed
Katuysha rocket at short-range. The trial took place Tuesday at White Sands
military base in New Mexico and was carried out by the Strategic Space
Command of the American Ground Corps.
Project Director Gerald Wilson said at the conclusion of the test, "At
this stage, we believe that we now possess all of the necessary information
to move on to the next stage in Project Nautilus."
Israel reportedly played a central role in the development of the system,
and the successful trial will result in an increased budget for the project.
Israel Radio, KOL YISRAEL, reported that the successful trial was an
important technological achievement, but quoted Defense Ministry sources as
saying the project still has a long way to go.
YEDIOT AHARONOT reported that Israel is also cooperating with the U.S. in
developing an anti-ballistic missile system based on unmanned planes
equipped with sensors capable of identifying missile launches. For this
project, Israel is developing both unmanned planes capable of remaining
airborne for extended time periods as well as interception missiles.
Israel Aircraft Industries has demonstrated that such planes can stay
airborne for approximately 50 hours.
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ACCESSION NUMBER:00000
FILE ID:96042903.txt
DATE:04/29/96
TITLE:29-04-96 TEXT: DOD ON U.S.-ISRAEL JOINT STATEMENT ON MISSILE DEFENSE
TEXT:
(Reaffirms U.S. support of Israel's efforts, DoD says) (300)
Washington -- Defense Secretary Perry and Prime Minister Peres of
Israel signed a joint statement of intent on theater missile defense
cooperation April 28.
The joint statement reaffirms U.S. support of Israel's efforts "to
develop a defense against ballistic missiles," the Defense Department
said.
Following is the text of the official release from Defense Link:
(begin text)
U.S.-ISRAEL SIGN JOINT STATEMENT OF INTENT ON THEATER MISSILE DEFENSE
U.S. Defense Secretary William J. Perry and Israeli Prime Minister
Shimon Peres today signed a joint Statement of Intent (SOI) on theater
missile defense cooperation. The SOI, signed in ceremonies here,
reaffirms the United States' support of Israel's efforts to develop a
defense against ballistic missiles.
Recently, the two nations signed an international agreement for the
ARROW Deployability Program, which will conclude the development and
provide for the initial deployment of the ARROW weapon system that
will provide Israel with an enhanced defense against ballistic
missiles. In recognition that defense of Israel can be more effective
ensuring that Israel's theater ballistic missiles defenses ARE
INTEGRATED WITH U.S. capabilities, the ARROW ADP sets the requirements
and plans for the two nations to enhance interoperability in theater
ballistic missile defense.
Other aspects of the agreement are: The U.S. military will begin
developing arrangements to upgrade regional ballistic missile early
warning with Israel; Israel and the U.S. will pursue other activities
that both sides agree would lead to a more effective theater missile
defense cooperation between them; and the establishment of a
senior-level policy advisory group to support these efforts. The group
will work in close coordination on technical matters regarding
interoperability.
(end text)
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So from this I take it There can never be a seperation of Isreali/USA money for ever?
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ISRAEL LINE TUESDAY, APRIL 21, 1998
U.S. TO FUND R&D FOR THIRD ARROW BATTERY
United States Secretary of Defense William Cohen, currently visiting Israel, said on Monday THAT THE U.S. WILL FUND the research and development stage of a third Arrow anti-missile battery, THE JERUSALEM POST reported. Cohen made the announcement following an in-depth briefing with Defense Minister Yitzhak Mordechai and top Defense Ministry officials and Israel Defense Forces commanders. The Government outlined Israel's military modernization program over the next decade for Cohen, who was also briefed on the proliferation of long-range surface-to-surface missiles, particularly in Iran, as well as biological and chemical weapons.
Cohen said the funding for the third battery is at the appropriations level in Congress. "It is not enough for Israel to be able to win wars," said Cohen, "It also must win peace in order to achieve lasting security."
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GEE WHIZZ GUYS...THANS FOR THE TECHCNOLOGY...
Thanks for the funding USA, how does this below fit in with the one above...Who else
did they sell it to then? Oh yes..China....
Jerusalem Post 24 July 1998 -- The US has delivered a harshly worded letter to Israel, accusing it of violating the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) by selling radar technology associated with the Arrow-2 anti-missile system to India.
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Wednesday, September 15, 1999 12:15
Government decides no changes planned in nuclear program
(IsraelWire-9/15)
According to a report in the daily Haaretz, Prime Minister Ehud Barak does not plan to permit international inspectors to take a close look at Israel's nuclear facility in Dimona and justified the continued need for Israel's nuclear capability as long as hostile nations continue to pose a threat to Israel's continued security. Excerpts of a letter from Gideon Frank, who heads Israel's Atomic Energy Commission stated that a political solution was the only way to make progress in the area of weapons control.
Until statements were made acknowledging Israel's nuclear program in 1996 by then-prime minister Shimon Peres, no Israeli leader ever officially admitted to the ongoing nuclear program in Israel. Despite international pressure, Israel has repeatedly refused to sign nuclear proliferation treaties.
Great...but lets NOT ignore arab defiance of inspections eh boys??
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Washington Post
May 2, 2000
Pg. 19
Pentagon Questions Israeli Missile Test Near Navy
By Thomas E. Ricks, Washington Post Staff Writer
An Israeli short-range ballistic missile splashed down in the eastern Mediterranean last month near a U.S. Navy Aegis cruiser, causing momentary fear that the ship was under attack, Defense Department officials said yesterday.
The Jericho 1 missile, which can carry nuclear warheads or about 1,000 pounds of chemicals or high explosives, was launched from a missile-testing facility at Yavne, Israel, on April 6 and landed about 40 miles from the USS Anzio, they said.
"That's pretty damn close for a missile that's not the most accurate," one of the officials said. "The warhead wasn't live, but it still could make a hell of a hole."
The Anzio was about 250 miles due west of the Israeli coast and had not received any notice that an Israeli missile test was underway, one official said. Such a "Notice to Aviators and Mariners" is customary, and even the Russians and the Chinese give notice of their tests, he noted.
The ship's advanced Aegis missile-tracking radar picked up the launch soon after it occurred, a second official said. "During the first 90 percent of the trajectory, it looked like the missile was coming at you," he said.
The first official said the Navy was angry with the Israelis because this was the third time they have conducted a "no-notice" missile launch in the vicinity of a U.S. warship in the past two years. The Navy is especially peeved because the Anzio and two accompanying ships--the USS Eisenhower, an aircraft carrier, and the USS Cape St. George, another Aegis cruiser--were en route to participate in a joint exercise with the Israeli military called "Noble Suzanne."
"They knew we were there, for God's sake," one of the Defense Department officials said.
A spokesman for the Israeli Embassy said Israel scrupulously follows safety guidelines in its tests. "When we conduct a missile test, whether on land or sea, there is a very clear and strictly abided to safety procedure," said Mark Regev. "The area of the test is thoroughly checked."
A senior U.S. official said the Clinton administration is addressing the issue through diplomatic channels. A State Department official said he wasn't aware of any diplomatic activity but suggested the matter might be handled outside his department's usual channels.
John Pike, a weapons expert at the Federation of American Scientists, said he thought the missile shot near an American ship likely was an accident that resulted from a failure to communicate. "I cannot imagine why they would have done that intentionally," he said. "It strikes me instead as extraordinarily careless."
But one of the Defense Department officials disputed that interpretation of events. He said the repeated "no-notice" launches have made the Pentagon think that the Israelis are trying to prevent the United States from monitoring the tests and acquiring technical data about the operation of the Jericho.
There is a history of bad blood between the U.S. Navy and Israel that goes back to the 1967 attack by Israeli jets and torpedo boats on the USS Liberty, a signals-interception ship that was operating off the Israeli coast during the Six Day War. That attack killed 34 men and wounded 171. Israel said its forces had mistaken the Liberty for an Egyptian warship and later paid $6 million in damages.
There recently has been some tension between Israel and the United States over Israel's plan to sell Phalcon airborne radar systems to China. Some members of Congress have threatened to block $250 million in aid to Israel unless the sale is canceled.
Haaretz Daily Newspaper - English Internet Edition
Wednesday, May 3, 2000
Israeli missile test too close for U.S. Navy cruiser's comfort
Scientists think Israel has long-range ballistic arms
By Amnon Barzilai
Ha'aretz Defense Correspondent
An Israeli "Jericho" surface-to-surface ballistic missile landed near a U.S. Navy Aegis cruiser in the eastern Mediterranean last month, according to a Washington Post report. During most of its flight, the missile appeared on the cruiser's air-warning sensors as aiming for the U.S. ship. However, the missile landed some 65 kilometers away from the USS Anzio, which was cruising 350 kilometers west of the Israeli coast.
According to the U.S. Department of Defense, the incident occured when Israel carried out a test launch of a Jericho-1 medium-range missile on April 6. The USN Aegis cruiser, a dedicated air-defense ship, was at the time accompanying the aircraft carrier USS Eisenhower and another cruiser on their way to conducting joint exercises with Israeli forces. One Defense Department official said that the customary "Notice to Aviators and Mariners" was not given prior to the test. According to the Americans, this marked the third time that no such warning was given to a U.S. warship during the last two years.
While the matter is being handled through diplomatic channels, relations between Israel and the U.S. Navy have not been good since the sinking of the USN Liberty during the Six-Day War by Israeli aircraft and gunboats. Israel paid compensation to the families of the 205 casualties.
Israel has never made available any information on the development and production of the Jericho missile. According to foreign publications, the Jericho comes in two basic forms: Jericho-1, like the one test fired in April, carries conventional and nonconventional warheads over distances as long as 750 kilometers; and its big brother, Jericho-2B, has a much longer range and higher accuracy.
The missiles were developed with French help during the 1960s at the peak of close ties between Israel and France. The firing of an Egyptian-made surface-to-surface missile in 1962 is estimated to have been the catalyst for the decision to develop the weapons.
The new version of the Jericho-2 missile reportedly includes most neighboring countries in its range, and its accuracy is considered to be very good. The U.S. National Security Agency has monitored the test program of the Jericho-2 and has recorded several test firings over the Mediterranean. According to the Federation of American Scientists, test firings of the missile at ranges in excess of 1300 kilometers have been conducted in South Africa.
According to the organization, the capability of Israel's ballistic missiles has been estimated to be far greater. Based on calculations derived from the Shavit rockets carrying the Ofek satellites, Israel's ballistic missiles are capable of carrying a nuclear payload across ranges in excess of 5,300 kilometers. But experts at the Pentagon estimate that an Israeli missile with a 7,200-kilometer range is possible. Another estimate was given in July 1990 by University of Maryland physicist Steve Peter, who calculated that the Shavit rocket has a range of 4,000 kilometers with a maximum payload of 775 kilograms. All these assessments place the whole of the Middle East within the range of Israel's ballistic missiles.
Thanks for warning us boys...Remember us..were the USA, we're your allies....Or?? A pocket full of change.
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U.S. Department of State
Daily Press Briefing
INDEX
WEDNESDAY, JULY 1, 1998
Briefer: JAMES P. RUBIN
ISRAEL
5 Reports of construction of cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
DAILY PRESS BRIEFING
DPB # 79
WEDNESDAY, JULY 1, 1998, 12:45 P.M.
(ON THE RECORD UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED)
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QUESTION: Can I go back to nuclear weapons or dry holes, as the case may be? Reports that Israel's new submarines that it's acquiring are nuclear missile-capable, and that Israel intends to utilize them to that effect.
MR. RUBIN: We have no information to confirm reports that Israel is building cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons.
With respect to the overall question of Israel and nuclear weapons, let me say that we want to see, over time, a weapons of mass destruction-free zone in the Middle East. But we believe that has to happen in the context of a comprehensive peace agreement. Other than saying that Israel has said it will not be the first to introduce nuclear weapons to the region, all I can say is that we want a process to marry the political requirements of a comprehensive peace with the technical requirements of a weapons of mass destruction-free zone in the region. We think that those need to go in a commensurate way.
Ahh good, thanks for that Mr. Rubin...
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Didnt hear Mr. Rubins comment after this below did we???
London Sunday Times
June 18, 2000
Fears Of New Arms Race As Israel Tests Cruise Missiles
By Uzi Mahnaimi and Peter Conradi
Israel has test-fired cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads, fuelling fears of an escalation in the Middle East arms race.
Israeli defence sources revealed that the tests, involving two German-built Dolphin-class submarines, took place last month off Sri Lanka.
The Israeli-made missiles, which were equipped with conventional warheads, hit targets at sea at a range of about 930 miles, they said. Israel is the third country - after America and Russia - to be able to fire nuclear cruise missiles from submarines.
The tests will alarm Israel's neighbours and embarrass the German government. It paid for the £200m submarines to compensate for Iraq's use of German-made weapons against Israel during the Gulf war. A third submarine is expected to be operational within weeks.
Despite moves towards Middle East peace, Israel remains concerned about its vulnerability to attack, particularly from Iran. Israeli intelligence believes Tehran will develop nuclear weapons within two years.
Israel has never acknowledged its nuclear programme, revealed by The Sunday Times in 1986. However, its military planners are believed to have produced between 100 and 200 nuclear weapons. Sources said these included several 200kg warheads - each containing 6kg of plutonium - that could be mounted on cruise missiles.
Israel already has land and air-based nuclear weapons. It now plans to equip each of the three submarines, which have the advantage of being almost impossible to detect, with four cruise missiles.
Their ability to strike back after a non-conventional attack on Israel makes them a formidable deterrent. Under a system of rotation, two of the vessels will remain at sea: one in the Red Sea and Persian Gulf, the other in the Mediterranean. A third would remain on standby.
The missiles could be fired only after approval by four people: the prime minister, defence minister, chief of staff of the Israeli army and the commander of the navy.
The 1,720-ton diesel-electric submarines, which are among the most technically advanced of their kind in the world, can remain at sea for up to 30 days. | |  | | sharkman | | Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2002 6:26 pm Post subject: excellent post |
| hi msteffan1,
excellent post which i am going to forward as much as possible.... thank you for such.... | | | | msteffan1 | | Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2002 8:28 pm Post subject: |
| Following report is again interestng on how it shows the USA to be powerless against the actions of Isreals own foreign policies etc, OK its from Pravda, but dont shoot the messenger, its reported in many other organs now..
One day, American soldiers, sailors and airmen may have to fight against these weapons, suppled to what could be an enemy by a supposed friendly partner and ally, The US cares for Isreal, does Isreal care for the USA?
14:05 2002-07-03
EVEN USA’S CLOSEST ALLIES SUPPLY ARMS TO CHINA
PRAVDA.Ru reported on July 1 that the Chinese Air Force performed a successful test of the AA-12 Adder air-to-air missle, which is of Russian production. American Army analysts think that such missiles could exert considerable influence on a change of the balance of forces between China and Taiwan, in China's favor, which is a not something that Washington is looking forward to, of course.
America's closest allies add more fuel to the fire to the American Defense Department and State Department officials. Israel is one of those "allies." The Washington Times reported that American special services had been surprised recently. They discovered that the Chinese army is using Harpy unmanned planes. At first, it seems that there is nothing surprising about this, but Harpy planes are of Israeli production. They were produced at the beginning of the 1990s by the specialists of Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI). The aircraft is meant for to fight against radar stations. It should be added that Harpy planes are very mobile; they can be used at any time, in any place.
The US Defense Department considered implementing the project CUTLASS (the Combat UAV Target Locate and Strike System) on the ground of the Harpy project, which was integrated with the AIM-9 missile detection system of the Raytheon company. These systems can be used for destroying well-protected targets like radar stations, as well as for standard intelligence objectives. Furthermore, Harpy planes were sold to India and South Korea.
Israel has become one of China’s arms suppliers long ago, whereas the USA banned the export of defense technology to China back in 1989 after the events on the Tiananmen Square in Beijing (when a student demonstration was brutally broke up with tanks).
In 1999, American special services came to conclusion that Israel secretly sold Patriot missile production technology to China. Israel and China surely rejected those assertions, but the CIA is still certain of the transaction. Now, there is another scandal.
However, one shouldn't count on any penalties or sanctions imposed on Israel or on Israel Aircraft Industries. This is not a good time for that, taking into consideration the fact that the Americans cannot do anything about the Chinese. Therefore, Washington will have to watch Beijing strengthen its army in the south of China, very close to Taiwan.
Vasily Bubnov
PRAVDA.Ru | | | | Anglo Thug | | Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2002 9:16 pm Post subject: |
| Hi MS,
I think it is now safe to assume that Pravda is as legitimate a news source as any mainstream media outlet in the west. They have their agenda, we have ours - both seem to be converging. In fact, I don't think Pravda plays the propaganda game nearly as well as its western counterparts so it is often a little easier to decipher the real news from this particular source. | | | | msteffan1 | | Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2002 9:30 pm Post subject: |
| I totally agree Anglo, but when quoting anything from Pravda it is too easy for others to state, oh its from Pravda so theres an agenda, those days are gone, but their are a lot of people out there who would still rubbish any items from that source as being tainted.
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