| Author | Message | | sharkman | | Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 6:04 am Post subject: uss liberty full page ad in washington times yesterday |
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forwarded from the uss liberty email list:
Just figured that most of you would enjoy learing that yesterday, June 6, 2002, there was a FULL-PAGE add in the Washington Times, starting off with big letters:
MR. PRESIDENT, REMEMBER THE LIBERTY!
U.S.S. Liberty Veterans Association
PO Box 1887, Washington DC 20013-1887
It was written by Phil Tourney, President or the LVA, and it gives lots of
embarrasing details of the attack . . . . At the bottom of the page, are the
34 KIAs' names . . . .
It sure is nice to see that the LVA has the money to afford such a thing. . .
.I thought only the Israel libby could afford to take out such adds . . .I
imagine that THAT has got the Israel lobby's attention. . . .and I'll bet
they ain't happy about it . . . --R
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To Read Archived Messages, Visit http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/uss_liberty.html | |  | | Eli | | Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 7:51 am Post subject: yeah, right |
| | keep dreaming about it, pal... | | | | sharkman | | Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 6:16 pm Post subject: here is the actual "ad".. |
| From the Washington Times of June 6, 2002,
a full-page advertisement on page 11:
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U.S.S. LIBERTY VETERANS ASSOCIATION
P.O. Box 1887, Washington, DC 20013-1887
June 1, 2002
President George W. Bush
Commander in Chief, White House, Washington D.C.
Dear Mr. President,
Saturday, June 8, 2002 marks the 35th anniversary of probably
the most shameful day in American history. That day America's
banner and honor was treacherously trashed by our so-called
ally, Israel. Thirty four Americans were brutally slaughtered,
172 wounded, including myself, and America's most sophisticated
intelligence ship was so badly damaged it had to be scrapped.
Israel deliberately attacked America's virtually unarmed USS
LIBERTY in international waters, knowing full well our identity,
in an assault that lasted as long as the attack on Pearl Harbor.
On that bright, sunny infamous day, the LIBERTY had a large
American flag flapping in the wind and 10' high I.D. markings
on her hull which were clearly visible during the full six
hours (6:00 A.M. to 12:00 Noon) that low flying, slow moving,
propeller recons distinctly marked with Star of Davids
reconnoitered our ship. Overheard radio transmission of the
pilots confirmed that the Israel had positively identified the
LIBERTY as American.
Suddenly at 2:00 p.m., the government of Israel put a knife
into the back of America. In a diabolic attempt at deception, the
Israelis began the attack with unmarked jet fighters using
rockets, cannons, and napalm on our unprotected ship. Then three
motor torpedo boats arrived on the scene and fired 6 torpedoes
at us, one hitting its mark, midship's on the starboard side,
instantly blowing to bits 25 of America's finest young men.
The torpedo gunmen shot at our firefighters and stretcher bear-
ers, using us as target practice, maiming and murdering as many
of America's sons as they could.
The captain ordered us to prepare to abandon ship as the ship
was in grave danger of sinking from a torpedo hit that left a
40' x 40' hole in her. There were only 3 life rafts left that
they hadn't already destroyed. We put them over the side to
put as many wounded in as possible. The torpedo boats machine
gunned the life rafts and sank two of them and took one aboard
their boat -- no survivors were to be taken! Helicopters were
overhead to board our ship with Israeli commandos at the ready
to finish us off.
Responding to a S.O.S. from the LIBERTY, the USS SARATOGA
launched their jets approximately 15 minutes into the vicious
Israeli attack. Within minutes after the launch, incredibly
and inexplicably, Washington shamefully and unconscionably
recalled the jets, abandoning helpless American sailors under
fire, and subjecting them to an additional two hours of barbaric
Israeli bombardment and butchery.
Fortuitously when the Israelis picked up an invalid message
that U.S. help was on the way, Israeli reluctantly was forced
to terminate its ongoing assault. Without that break, I would
not be alive writing this letter.
Ironically help did not arrive until 18 hours after the
attack when it was only 15 minutes away. When an American
rescue ship finally arrived, what they found was shocking, the
LIBERTY was in shambles, death on the water. There were 821
rocket and cannon holes in her hull, thousands of 50 caliber
armor piercing bullets riddling her skin, a tunnel size
torpedo cavity in her broad side, and the residue of napalm
that had been dropped to burn us up. Blood and body parts
were strewn across the deck. A sad, outrageous story, but
unfortunately true.
The crew of the most decorated naval ship in American
history was ordered to remain silent under threat of court
martial, imprisonment or worse, and we all knew what worst
meant. The U.S. government has never challenged the obviously
phony Israeli excuse of "mistaken identity" nor have they
attempted to expose the dishonorable cover up that continues
to date. Truth and America's honor were ignominiously sacri-
ficed to provide cover for Israel's transparent lies and
despicable act of perfidy.
Israel's premeditated, sneak attack on the USS LIBERTY was
a direct attack on America. The disgraceful refusal of
unpatriotic American governmental officials of dubious
allegiance to defend America and come to the aid of brave
Americans under attack can only be characterized as treasonous.
Mr. President, on behalf of the courageous crew of the USS
LIBERTY, dead and alive, I respectfully request that you
commission a presidential panel to finally investigate the
attack and cover-up of the USS LIBERTY, and report the truth
to American people.
Thank you, Mr. President. God bless you! God bless America!
Respectfully,
Phillip F. Tourney, President
USS LIBERTY Veterans Association | | | | sharkman | | Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 7:23 pm Post subject: the uss liberty: still covered up after 35 years |
| This can be re-published as long as attribution to WRMEA is given.
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===================================================== From the June/July
issue of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.
=================================================== THE USS LIBERTY: STILL
COVERED UP AFTER 35 YEARS By James M. Ennes, Jr.
June 8 marks 35 years since Israel attacked the USS LIBERTY without warning
in international waters, killing 34 Americans and wounding 172 more. The
Israelis lied about it and persuaded our Congress to look the other way,
and they are still lying about it today. But the LIBERTY will not go
away. Every attempt to hide this story seems to bring more attention.
This past year brought a 60-minute documentary pro- duced by CBS News
Productions that was broadcast by The History Channel on Aug. 9 -- much to
the dismay and over the heated objections of the Israeli Embassy and
various spokesmen for Israel who did all in their power to block it.
CAMERA, a leading pro-Israel propaganda arm, produced an extended and angry
critique of the film, accusing survivors and CBS News itself of producing a
"propaganda- laden bogus history" that is deliberately distorted and
anti-Semitic.
In a personal attack on this writer, CAMERA unearthed a 1990 Internet
newsgroup in which I made what they con- sider a damning comment. In
response to a claim that Israel was "surrounded by enemies," I replied that
Israel would have no enemies if it didn't steal its neighbors' land and
water and shoot its neighbors' children. CAMERA cited that remark as
evidence of bias and anti-Semitism; I would defend it even today as a
truism that might well be engraved in stone.
The History Channel's report was aired as scheduled and rebroadcast this
past March 14. Although CAMERA urged The History Channel not to sell a
video version, it was made available anyway. In fact, the video tem-
porarily sold out and was described by some retailers as their best selling
such product ever. CAMERA, it seems, convinced only the choir.
Also this past year, author James Bamford released BODY OF SECRETS, his
second book on the National Security Agency, with a chapter devoted to the
LIBERTY. Bamford received wide attention in book reviews and on the talk
show circuit because his book revealed interviews with an airborne Navy
radio intercept operator who listened to the attack from overhead while it
was happening. This man confirmed the crew's claims that the Israelis knew
they were attacking an American naval vessel.
Further confirmation came a few weeks later, when an Air Force intelligence
analyst privately told us the same story. Those transcripts, we learned,
were widely dis- tributed to intelligence processing centers around the
world. The Israelis not only knew we were American, but were deeply
frustrated and angry when the LIBERTY did not sink quickly, as they intended.
Another intelligence analyst told us that, a few days after the attack, a
"consensus report" concluding that the attack was deliberate was briefly
circulated through- out the intelligence community. The report was then
cancelled and all copies were ordered collected and des- troyed.
On June 10, London's BBC plans a worldwide release of its new documentary
called "Dead in the Water." In it the BBC reports that the LIBERTY attack
almost led to a U.S. nuclear strike on Egypt, which was briefly but mis-
takenly thought responsible for the attack. The film, which includes
interviews with former U.S. Defense Secretary Robert McNamara, former CIA
chief Richard Helms and others, reveals secret collaboration between Wash-
ington and Tel Aviv during the Six-Day War.
A new book entitled OPERATION CYANIDE, by prize-winning British
investigative reporter Peter Hounam, researcher for the BBC film, will be
published to coincide with the release of the film. Hounam argues that
carefully laid plans were made to sink the LIBERTY, and that the U.S. was
as much to blame as Israel for what happened.
Meanwhile, independent film-maker Tito Howard has pro- duced in VHS format
the documentary "Loss of Liberty," which includes interviews with several
LIBERTY survivors and former U.S. Navy leaders.
Undeterred by all this, bankruptcy Judge A. Jay Cristol is about to release
a commercial trade book version of his doctoral thesis which seeks to make
the case that the attack really was just a tragic mistake. The original
thesis is a ponderous but seemingly scholarly account that may well
convince readers uninformed about the attack.
Survivors see it as a flawed work, packed with evasions and misleading
statements. Cristol seems to accept at face value all the arguments that
support his case, while he nitpicks, dismisses and ignores entirely the
eyewitness reports of survivors and other supporting evidence. Because he
comes to the subject as a federal judge and a reserve naval officer,
however, he brings some apparent credibility that probably will get him a
ride on the talk show circuits.
Michael Oren, a senior fellow at the Shalem Center in Jerusalem, recently
released a book entitled, SIX DAYS OF WAR, with a chapter arguing that the
LIBERTY attack was a tragic accident. An Internet search for "Michael
Oren" will turn up the gist of his one-sided argument.
Even the venerable NAVY TIMES came out April 4 with an article arguing
Cristol's case that the attack was a tragic accident. Its author received
an avalanche of e-mail, mostly challenging his conclusions. This writer
submitted a rebuttal statement, which was published in April as a guest
column (see box). Other rebuttals and counter-rebuttals are in the works
as we go to press.
Through it all, despite the passage of 35 years, con- troversy builds and
interest in the subject continues to grow. LIBERTY survivors welcome the
Cristols and Orens and misguided articles from Israel's defenders, because
every published attack causes even more people to want to know what really
happened to the USS LIBERTY. The con- tinued controversy caused ASSAULT ON
THE LIBERTY to sell out months ago. It is being reprinted, and should be
available soon.
The award-winning LIBERTY Web site, <http://www.>>ussliberty.com>,
sometimes hosts more than 1,500 visitors a day as people search for
informtaion on the subject. Survivors are happy to oblige.
======================
James Ennes retired from the Navy in 1978 as a lieutenant commander after
27 years of enlisted and commissioned ser- vice. He was a lieutenant on
the bridge of the USS LIBERTY on the day of the attack. His book on the
subject, ASSAULT ON THE LIBERTY (Random House, 1980), is a "Notable Naval
Book" selection of the U.S. Naval Institute and was "editor's choice" when
reviewed in THE WASHINGTON POST.
=======================
[Accompaning box to article...]
A SURVIVOR SPEAKS
SURVIVORS OF ISRAEL'S 1967 attack on the USS LIBERTY that killed 34
Americans and wounded 172 find it very sad that some Americans can argue
endlessly that the attack on our ship was a tragic accident and not the
deliberate attack on a known- American ship that we experienced.
We felt secure after 13 very low reconnaissance orbits by Israeli aircraft,
our supposed friends. Our intercept oper- ators heard the pilots reporting
that we were American. I was relieved of the conn[ing tower] as the
attacking jets approached, and then was severely wounded by the first
rocket salvo. I was lying in a stretcher in a starboard passageway when
the torpedo exploded.
I recall the warning that torpedo boats were approaching, followed by the
explosion, the ship lifting away from the blast, then settling back to
starboard and the very real fear that it would continue to settle until it
rolled over and sank.
Moments later the torpedo boats approached within 50 feet of the ship. One
boat stopped alongside and trained a heavy machine gun on a man who was
standing alone on a hatch cover on the main deck screaming obscenities and
giving them the finger. They did not fire.
Then the boat moved to within 50 feet of the fantail where the ship
displayed her name in large letters in English and her hull numbers in even
larger letters. The boatmen clearly examined those markings and can hardly
have failed to see other distinctive American markings and the American
flag that flew from the mast.
The Israeli government claims it was at that point that they offered help
and that they never fired after the torpedo explosion. But this is not true.
Survivors recall that the torpedo boats then circled the ship firing at
anything that moved. Men on deck were fired upon as they tried to help
their wounded shipmates. Fire- fighters saw their fire hoses punctured by
machine gun fire. At one point the boatmen concentrated their fire near the
waterline amidships, presumably seeking out the boilers.
Forty minutes after the torpedo explosion, the boats drew closer and
methodically machine-gunned three life rafts that we had just launched in
response to orders to prepare to abandon ship.
The Israeli's excuse? They claim they mistakenly plotted our speed at 32
knots, marking us as a warship suitable for attack. We were moving only at
five knots and were more than 30 miles away, double their 16 mile radar
horizon. They claim the officers on two torpedo boats mistook the USS
LIBERTY for a 40-year-old out-of-service Egyptian horse transport. Israeli
naval officers tell me that story is an embarrassment to them. It should
be. It is unbelievable.
Yet despite these things a few Americans seem to accept the preposterous
claims that a tiny motor torpedo boat can have a 30-mile radar horizon, or
can miscalculate a target's speed by 500 percent, or can mistake a clearly
marked 10,000 ton United States ship a mile away for an ancient 2,640 ton
Egyptian horse carrier, can fail to recognize an oversize American flag
from as close as 50 feet, and can then con- tinue to fire on that target
from close range for another 40 minutes before suddenly recognizing us as
American after learning that Sixth Fleet jets were on the way.
Survivors cannot accept that. The typical Israeli reaction is that we are
liars or anti-Semites, which of course we are not. We are American sailors
honestly reporting an act of treachery at sea. -- James Ennes, LCDR, USN
(retired), survivor | | | | sharkman | | Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2002 7:35 pm Post subject: uss liberty attack: israeli treachery |
| the following is forwarded from another thread at this forum because it is appropriate to this thread as well since the uss liberty attack took place 35 years ago today:
anyway, mr. meeks has no credibility in that he is a known pro-israeli "truth distorter" as his antics have also been known by the surviving uss liberty crew members for quite some time, and i have seen his posts attempting to (unsuccessfully) "discredit" the uss liberty surviving crew members by calling the attack a case of "mistaken identity" or similar which it most certainly was not! however, pro-israeli spinners like mr. meeks apparently have more allegiance to israel (while continually trying to cover the rogue state's treachery against the usa) rather than seeking to finally get justice for the 34 american sailors (with 171 more injured) who were brutally slaughtered by the israelis in the very intentional and savage israeli attack on the uss liberty...
the uss liberty attack is not the first act of israeli treachery against the usa. i suppose mr. meeks also tries to distort the truth about the lavon affair as well... like the attack on the uss liberty, the lavon affair has been successfully (for the most part) covered up by the pro-israel media and government in the usa... however, david duke (even though i don't agree with the racisim that he has been accused of) eloquently mentions the treacherous lavon affair and uss liberty attack as well in the following article (as any patriotic american should be aware of both by completely reading the article):
http://www.davidduke.com/writings/howisraeliterror.shtml
if mr. meeks is so "convinced" that the deliberate and savage israeli attack on the uss liberty was a case of "mistaken identity" or similar as he feebly tries to claim, then why won't israel release documents about the attack that have been classified for years... what is israel hiding.. perhaps israel is waiting for the surviving uss liberty crew members to finally die-off as killing them all was the intent of the attack in the first place (along with sinking the uss liberty while trying to make it look like egypt was the culprit with a similar motive to what happened in the notorious lavon affair which is mentioned in the above referenced duke article). also, if the uss liberty attack was such a case of "mistaken identity", then why did admiral moorer think that such mention was nonsense as you can read his letter which is included at http://www.ussliberty.org?
also, why has the pro-israel lobby, government and media in the usa successfully prevented the the surviving uss liberty crew members from having an opportunity to personally testify in front of congress as to whether the attack was intentional which it most certainly was? with such israeli treachery against the usa like the lavon affair and the uss liberty attack, one can not rule out that the israeli mossad and similar might have known about the 9/11 wtc beforehand and didn't tell the usa... if the cia knew about at least two of the 9/11 hijackers before the attack, then the israeli mossad most likely knew about them as well since i assume that the mossad and cia share information..
i don't know how much at the following web site is credible, but the articles about israeli espionage within the usa are most interesting as at least one mentions that israeli mossad agents were living in apartments not far from where the 9/11 hijackers were living in florida as another article there mentions that at least six israeli nationals were arrested after they were reported to have been cheering as they watched the wtc towers come down):
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
keep in mind that one primary goal of apparent extremist zionists like mr. meeks is to keep american taxpayers duped (via a corrupted pro-israel lobby "bought" us congress) into continually flowing billions and billions of dollars to their beloved israel each year (such facilitates the brutal israel oppression of the palestinian people which in turn contributes to the arab world's anger of the usa that contributes to the usa's domestic terrorism problem like the 9/11 wtc attack as this aspect is also addressed in the above referenced duke article)...
so the american public finding out about the israeli treachery of the lavon affair and us liberty attack goes against the interest of those zionists because most americans would not be in favor of perpetuating such vast financial support to israel if such treachery were to become widely known by the american public... so israeli spinners like mr. meeks (some even paid by the pro-israel lobby and/or by pro-israel "truth distorter" groups like camera at www.camera.org) try to "discredit" anyone who knows the extent of israeli treachery against the usa and britain as well ... and they make it their apparent "mission" in prowling the internet (which the zionists don't completely control yet!) to make sure that the american public doesn't realize the extent of such israeli treachery... for now, the pro-israeli "truth distorters" like mr. meeks and the us media and government still have many americans believing that the "emperor has clothes on".... | | | | sharkman | | Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2002 4:22 am Post subject: uss liberty wreath laying june 8, 2002 |
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Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:48:38 -0400
From: "John E. Engelberger"
Subject: USS Liberty Wreath Laying June 8, 2002
For those of you who could not attend today, I am pleased to report an
attendance of approximately 40 people. Due to my illness I was unable to
arrange the usual Clergyman and Speaker, and our usual soloist, Barbara
Trent was unable to attend to sing the National Anthem and Taps. But I led
the group in singing and it worked out fine.
Attached are my remarks.
Regards,
John E. Engelberger, LCDR USCGR (Ret)
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DELAWARE VALLEY USS LIBERTY MEMORIAL COMMITTEE
LCDR John E. Engelberger, USCGR(Ret), Chairman
USS Liberty Wreath Laying Ceremony, June 8, 2002
Remarks by LCDR John E. Engelberger, USCGR(Ret)
We are gathered here today to honor 34 Americans killed during the
brutal Israeli attack on the USS LIBERTY, 35 years ago, on June 8,
1967. Many will label this ceremony as anti-Semitic, as has been
done in the past, while other memorials to our war heroes
nationwide are decorated and honored, particularly on Memorial
Day.
Is there a fear of the anti-Semitic label here in Morrisville? I
think so. Back in 1997 we attempted to locate this Memorial,
first at the Library, and then at Borough Hall, but were turned
down. Finally, I decided to locate it here on my property on
Morrisville's main street. I requested the then Borough Manager
to post a notice of the dedication on Channel 13, but she refused.
To publicize the present ceremony we requested that the following
message be posted on Channel 13:
The Public is invited to come and say a prayer for the 34 fallen
heroes killed during the brutal Israeli attack on this virtually
unarmed US Navy vessel on June 8, 1967. The posting as "edited"
by the Borough is as follows: The Public is invited to an INFORMAL
Wreath Laying Ceremony and to say a prayer for the 34 fallen
heroes killed on June 8, 1967. We deeply appreciate that the
Borough has arranged to display our notice on the Community Cable
TV station. However, they succumb to the Wall of Silence that has
manifested itself for 35 years, not because they are staunch
supporters of Israel, but because they fear the truth will label
them as anti-Semitic.
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, from Decatur Georgia, introduced
the following on June 6th in the Congressional Journal:
"Mr. Speaker, I speak to commemorate and recognize the tragic
attack that took place against the U.S.S. Liberty on June 8, 1967.
Although thirty-five years have come and gone since this historic
event, the survivors of the U.S.S. Liberty are still struggling
with the fact that their story has never been heard.
While there has never been an official investigation into this
event, we have learned from survivor accounts that for over 75
minutes the Israeli Defense Forces attacked the U.S.S. Liberty,
killing 34 American soldiers and wounding an additional 172. With
over 85% of the crew either dead or wounded, they somehow managed
to keep the ship afloat after being hit by over 1000 rounds of
rocket, cannon, machine gun, napalm hits, and even a direct hit
from a torpedo.
This unprovoked attack took place in international waters, and by
a trusted ally. The only explanation given to the survivors and
their families as to why this attack took place was that it was an
accident and that their ship was not identified as being American,
regardless of the fact that our flag was proudly flown throughout
the attack. Unfortunately, that explanation is not good enough for
those whose lives have been impacted by this attack, and it should
not be good enough for the American people. Let's not wait another
thirty-five years before we provide the survivors of the U.S.S.
Liberty an official investigation into why this attack took place
and allow them to tell their story. We owe them more than a debt
of gratitude for their sacrifice; we owe them the truth."
I have no doubt that Congresswoman McKinney will have a tough time
in her next election. Typically, when a member of Congress does
not toe the Israeli line, the ADL and AIPAC will seek out and
support an opposition candidate, and fund that campaign with money
from New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, or wherever the contributions
can be gathered from the Jews.
Recently, Congress, by an overwhelming majority, passed a
resolution in full support of the Israeli action against
Palestinian terrorists and suicide bombers. Do all these
congressman "love" Israel? I doubt it, but if they don't vote to
support Israel, they will don the anti-Semitic ribbon, and have
great difficulty in the next election. The ADL and AIPAC are
probably the most powerful lobby in Washington, and they represent
essentially a foreign country. They march Israelis through the
halls of Congress as if they were US citizens. On Monday Israeli
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will meet with President Bush. What
will this meeting cost the US taxpayers?
The United States was founded as a Christian country, although our
Constitution guarantees religious freedom to all. The Jews
represent about 2% of the US population, but they wield tremendous
political power, far outweighing their numbers. They control much
of the media - newspapers, TV, and film. They get a tremendous
return on their political contribution investment - $3 Billion to
Israel, year after year. Many of us object to these give-away
policies, but how can we change this ritual. We must beat them at
their own game. The Christian majority here in the US must band
together, and provide political and financial support to
candidates who prioritize solving our own domestic problems.
The suicide bombing in Israel is horrible, especially when infants
are killed, or when Jews participating in a religious service are
massacred. I abhor this violence against innocent victims. But
remember the Hebron Massacre where Baruch Goldstein murdered 29
Arabs at prayer in their Mosque? Goldstein was just promoted to
Major in the IDF, and continuing investigation indicates he did
not act alone.
Where and how did these unskilled Palestinian terrorists learn to
construct bombs? Perhaps they learned from the Jewish terrorists.
Years before he became Prime Minister, Manachem Begin was the
leader of the Israeli terrorist Irgun that was engaged in a
campaign against the British in Palestine. On July 22, 1946,
Begin commanded a group of terrorists that bombed the British
office wing of Jerusalem's 7-storey King David Hotel, killing
91people. A British Officer among those killed was the uncle of
one of our guests here today.
I wish to thank you all for attending our 5th Wreath Laying
Ceremony. I also wish to thank my wife, Ginny, who felt that this
modest ceremony would be too much of a burden for me, and
consequently refuses to participate. However, Ginny tends to the
memorial, mows the lawn, plants flowers, and helps in so many
ways. GOD Bless her. I also wish to thank Anne Pappalardo who
provides flowers and flags and helps Ginny as necessary. Ron
Stout is my right hand man, who does all the things that I can no
longer do. Thanks to my sister, Elsie Stemhagen, who placed the
wreath, and lastly, I extend my sincere thanks to Karen Brand who
created the beautiful wreath that stands before you.
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