| Author | Message | | sharkman | | Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2002 5:33 pm Post subject: terrorism is price of empire for israel |
| this person sent me the following reply as he saw one of my posts on the internet.... have any of you heard of what he is mentioning as i would like to know how credible it is if it even is at all... i have seen those people interviewed whom he has mentioned, and they all seemed very pro-israel... has anyone heard of that richard mellon scaife or www.gamla.org.il?
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Subj: Re: terrorism is price of empire for israel
Date: 6/1/02 5:53:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: nielsg
Look into the pro-israel bias of the terrorist experts such as Yossef
Bodansky, Daniel Pipes,
Steven Emerson and so on. Same for Worldnetdaily.com editor Joseph Farah.
These experts testified before Congress and Senate regarding the terrorist
threat. They
helped for public opinion by appearance in the media and publishing books on
Al Qaeda
and Jihad coming to the US.
Pipes and Bodansky were members of the US Congressional Taskforce on
Terrorism
and Unconventional Warfare.
Most of them have strong links with the Gamla website (www.gamla.org.il),
which is an
extreme-right zionist website (read their articles) and all of them are
funded by Richard
Mellon Scaife, who's also funding all think tanks involved in the war on
terrorism though
the Sarah Scaife Foundation and the Scaife Family Foundation together with a
couple of
other ultra-conservative foundations.
Source: http://www.mediatransparency.org/advanced_search.asp .
This Scaife, who is now funding the "anti"-terror industry, was funding the
Kenneth Starr
investigation on Clinton, as well as the investigation of "journalist" Chris
Ruddy in the
Vince Foster affair.
It seems he has more or less hijacked American foreign policy with the full
cooperation of Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft etc.
Read the article "The Green Peril", from the Cato Institute (Scaife-funded),
where
they describe the creating of a Islamic Fundamentalist threat to be used for
US Foreign
Policy.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-177.html
They say in this document -Summer 1992 - that this project was going on for
several months at that moment. In spring 1993, the first WTC attack
happened,
and since that time we hear from Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda.
Read the Cablesplice document, written by Geoffmetcalf, and editor of the
Scaife-funded Worldnetdaily.
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/417.html
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Newsgroups: alt.security.terrorism
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 7:19 AM
Subject: terrorism is price of empire for israel
> Please also access the articles which are included at the end of the
following:
>
> Patrick J. Buchanan : What price the American empire?
>
> What price the American empire?
>
> Posted: May 29, 2002
> 1:00 a.m. Eastern
>
>
> Last week, Vice President Cheney and Secretary Rumsfeld warned that more
> terror attacks are a certainty and may involve the detonation of an atomic
> weapon on American soil. They have concentrated the mind wonderfully. Even
> a small, crude nuclear device, exploded in a U.S. port or city, could kill
> many thousands more than died on Sept. 11.
>
> Rightly, the U.S. government is focused on how to anticipate such an
> attack, prevent it, prepare for it. But there has been no debate over the
> most critical question. Why? Why do these Islamic radicals so hate us they
> are willing to commit suicide, if they can take hundreds or thousands of
us
> with them?
>
> They don't know us. They cannot defeat or destroy the United States, even
> with an atom bomb. What can they hope to accomplish? Are they simply
madmen?
>
> In our focus on improved intelligence, preemptive strikes, color-coded
> alerts and evacuation plans, have we overlooked a course of action that
> could end the threat of cataclysmic terror? Like Poe's "Purloined Letter,"
> is a way out right there on the mantelpiece in front of us?
>
> Consider: While no Western nation has endured an act of terror on the
scale
> of 9-11, all have known terror. Brits were ambushed by the Irish in the
war
> of independence from 1919 to 1921. British civilians were blown up by
> Zionists in the King David Hotel in 1946. Settlers were murdered by Mau
Mau
> in Kenya. French were massacred in movie theaters and cafes by the
Algerian
> FLN until 1962. U.S. Marines were blown up in Beirut in 1983. From Netanya
> to Jerusalem to Tel Aviv, Israelis today die in terror attacks and suicide
> bombings.
>
> In all these atrocities, terror was a weapon of the weak and stateless
> against Western powers they could not defeat with arms. In each case,
> terror was used to expel an imperial power or drive out foreign troops. In
> each case but one, terror ended when the Western power went home.
>
> The dynamiting of the King David Hotel convinced the British to accelerate
> their departure from Palestine. Zionist terror ended. Mau Mau terror ended
> when the Brits left Kenya. When De Gaulle cut Algeria loose, FLN terror
> ended. When Reagan withdrew his Marines from Beirut, anti-American terror
> ended in Lebanon.
>
> Lesson? The price of empire is terror. The price of occupation is terror.
> The price of interventionism is terror. As Barry Goldwater used to say, it
> is as simple as that. When Israel departed Lebanon, Hezbollah's attacks
> fell off almost to nothing. But as long as Israelis occupy the West Bank,
> which Prime Minister Barak conceded belongs at least 95 percent to the
> Palestinians, Israel will be hit by terror attacks.
>
> Either Israel gets out, or it pays the price of staying in: terrorism.
>
> But this column is not about Israel -- it is about us. It is about why we
> are being told by our leaders, in tones of resignation and fatalism, that
> it is not a question of whether, but of when, the next act of cataclysmic
> terror occurs here, and why we must accept the possibility that a nuclear
> weapon will be exploded here.
>
> But when Americans ask, "Why do they hate us?" and "Why do these Islamic
> radicals on the other side of the earth want to come over here and commit
> hara-kiri killing us?" we get responses that ought not to satisfy a
> second-grader. They hate us, we are told, because we are democratic and
> free and good, and we have low tax rates.
>
> Well that is no longer enough. Before, not after, the next terror attack
on
> this country, America's leaders should start telling the truth: Evil
though
> they may be, Islamic killers are over here because we are over there. They
> are not trying to kill us because they dislike our domestic politics, but
> because they detest our foreign policy.
>
> Fifteen of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. They did not fly into
> those twin towers to protest universal suffrage or to advance
> self-determination for the Palestinian people. As Osama bin Laden said,
> they want us to stop propping up the Saudi regime they hate, and to get
off
> the sacred Saudi soil on which sit the holiest shrines of Islam. They want
> our troops out of Saudi Arabia – and if we don't get out, they are coming
> over here to kill us any way they can.
>
> That is reality. Now while America should use every weapon in her arsenal,
> from intelligence to diplomacy to war, to prevent terror and to punish
> terror, we must address the central issue: Terror on American soil, and
> eventual cataclysmic and atomic terror on American soil, is the price of
> American empire.
>
> Is the empire worth it? French, Brits, even Soviets said no. They went
> home. And nothing over there – not oil, not bases in Saudi Arabia, not
> global hegemony – is worth risking nuclear terror over here. I may be the
> only right-winger in America who loves D.C., but then I grew up here.
> Washington is my hometown. It comes first, and empire isn't even a close
> second.
> Related offer:
>
> Buchanan's latest book is here!
> "The Death of the West" is
> <http://www.shopnetdaily.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=332>an eye-opening
> expos<http://www.shopnetdaily.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=332> of how
> immigration invasions are endangering America. Both autographed and
> unautographed copies are now available at WorldNetDaily's online store!
>
>
> Patrick J. Buchanan was twice a candidate for the Republican presidential
> nomination and the Reform Party’s candidate in 2000. Now a commentator and
> columnist, he served three presidents in the White House, was a founding
> panelist of three national television shows, and is the author of seven
books.
>
> http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uk-and-europe/2002/05/27/there-s-a-firestorm-coming.php
>
> http://www.ussliberty.org
>
> http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/
>
> http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
>
> http://www.salon.com/news/letters/2002/05/10/ketcham/
>
> http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html
>
> http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/db/articles.asp?ID=17769
>
> http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/db/articles.asp?ID=19042
>
> http://liamhughes.home.mindspring.com/lieberman.html
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4414414,00.html
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/search.jsp?keywords=hobeika
>
> Have you read the following article by Fisk in which he mentioned the
> pro-Israel bias in the US media, and he also mentioned the speech he made
at
> USC from when he was in Los Angeles last a few months ago?:
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=285777
>
> Fisk's speech from USC can heard via computer by accessing the link found
at
> the following URL:
>
> http://www.webactive.com/pacifica/demnow/dn20020522.html
>
> An excellent interview with Fisk can also be heard by accessing the
following
> URL (in order to listen, you just need to have the Real Player software
> downloaded which you can do free of charge via the link provided at the
> following site as well):
>
> http://www.kcrw.org/cgi-bin/db/kcrw.pl?show_code=tp&air_date=1/25/02&tmplt
> _type=show
>
> The following is also an excellent article by Fisk as well:
>
> http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=298681
>
> The following is from a UCLA professor who teaches Middle East history:
>
> True, I told my class the first day that I was married to a Palestinian
and
> that I consider the
>">Palestinian issue to be the great
moral
> issue of our time, similar to the anti-Apartheid struggle of the 1980s or
the
> civil rights movement of the 1960s. I also told the class that all
history
> professors set up narratives, those narratives determine what we consider
to be
> facts, and that the narrative I was setting up was structured
> as a clash between two national communities. What I did was similar to
"truth
> in advertising." I do not know what is going on in Berkeley, but I did
not
> tell students who felt differently that they were unwelcome in my class or
that
> they should get out. As a matter of fact, many students who had opinions
that
> differed from mine remained in the class and, I hope, got a lot out of it. | |  | | sharkman | | Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2002 5:56 pm Post subject: israeli terrorism against innocent palestinians continues |
| FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: May 28, 2002
> NEWS CONFERENCE BY INTELLIGENCE ANALYST/BROADCASTER
> ANDY MARTIN
> DEMANDS ISRAEL RELEASE IMPRISONED PALESTINIAN
> FREEDOM FIGHTER MARWAN BARGHOUTI OR FACE
> WORLD BOYCOTT
>
>
> (NEW YORK) Internet/radio Broadcaster Andy Martin
> will present an exclusive Internet/radio news
> conference Wednesday, May 29th at 1:00 P.M. to
> demand that Israelis stop torturing and immediately
> release Palestinian freedom fighter Marwan Barghouti
> or face a world boycott.
> "Marwan Barghouti was criticized for being 'too
> friendly' to Israel. Now they torture him. If this
> is how Israel treats its friends, how does it treat
> its 'enemies?' says Martin.
> "The Israeli kidnapping and torture of Marwan
> Barghouti confirms the bankruptcy of the Sharon
> military junta. He claims to want peace but provokes
> war. He wants a 'settlement' but expands the
> settlements.
> "Barghouti was one who believed in peace, and worked
> with Israelis, until he found that all Israeli
> leaders do is lie: Israelis lie to the United
> States, they lie to Palestinians and they lie to
> Israelis themselves.
> "Barghouti has been tortured. Israeli is the only
> civilized nation in the world which uses torture.
> "Israelis claim to be 'endangered' so they can
> slaughter women and children. I have a bulging file
> of reports of women and children whom Israelis
> killed by 'accident.' The Israeli occupation of
> Palestine fits the Nazi template perfectly. The
> attempt to make the West Bank into a massive
> concentration camp shows Israelis have become
> Hitler's children. The worst crimes of the Third
> Reich have been directed at helpless Palestinians.
> "Is there any wonder the oppressed rise up in
> opposition to these crimes against humanity?
> "In my news conference I will demand that President
> Bush, Secretary Powell and the American People work
> to Free Marwan Barghouti and Free Palestine," says
> Martin. "There should be freedom, or a worldwide
> boycott of Israel by the civilized world."
> Martin's forums have become the fulcrum of foreign
> policy and political analysis on the Internet. He is
> a respected voice in America's intelligence
> community. He has traveled through the Middle East;
> his foreign experience includes Europe, Iran and
> Asia. Martin has frequently breaks news involving
> the Middle East crisis.
> Martin's radio program (WPBR-AM, West Palm Beach)
> covers Florida issues from noon-1 P.M. and foreign
> policy from 1-2 P.M. Radio call-in (561) 641-8256 or
> (800) 810-9727. Internet radio website: 1340wpbr.com
> (click "on air").
http://www.1340wpbr.com/show15.htm
> E-mail andy@andymartin.com. | | | | sharkman | | Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2002 3:32 pm Post subject: Letters: Terrorism label of political expedience |
| http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/news/archive/opinion_4795807.shtml
Posted June 30, 2002
Letters: Terrorism label of political expedience
Editor, The Post-Crescent:
History is replete with instances of the killing of women and children as a
mechanism by which to convince a government to change its policies. Our
government now wants us to consider such a practice as morally wrong and
has called it terrorism. The use of terrorism is now seen as so
reprehensible that we may deal with it by whatever means we see fit to use,
including the suspension of civil liberties for our own citizens. Once
again political advantage conjures up simplicity.
Some of us are old enough to remember the carpet-bombing of Hamburg and
Dresden. One would hope that we have not expunged from our history books
our use of incendiary bombs to destroy large segments of Tokyo and other
Japanese cities. And then there were the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima
and Nagasaki.
All of these killed women and children whose only crime was to be citizens
of a country that we wanted to surrender to our will. That those countries
were aggressors in the first instance was seen as sufficient reason to
engage in that which we now call terror.
We have given Israel billions of dollars in modern weapons, which they have
in turn used to invade Palestinian territory and kill women and children
whose only crime has been that of living in the wrong place.
Yet, we do not prefer to call that terror. It would appear that the label
of terrorism is given only to those with whom we disagree or dislike rather
than used as an analytical tool by which all actions taken against
civilians might be judged. Once again we seem to have adopted as rhetorical
policy what in the cold light of reason must be seen as so self-serving as
to fail any reasonable test of ethical consistency.
James M. Watson,
Neenah
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