| Author | Message | | Von Curtis | | Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:59 pm Post subject: the nonsense paradigm of goodies and baddies. |
| the nonsense paradigm of goodies and baddies.
Comments from http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21912.htm
The Politics Of Bollocks By John Pilger
Great article John Pilger.
he exposes brilliantly the way the MSM bbc creates the nonsense paradigm of goodies and baddies.
its not just the media that has been corrupted by bollocks, the whole of the developed world has been corrupted by evil insidious lies for years. it has gotten to the point where no one recognises the difference between right and wrong, good or bad, useful or useless, intelligent or stupid any longer. this is why everything is falling apart, people have become vain egotistical morons they care more about how they look then making things work.
the reality is that there are only 2 groups in the world today, the rulers and the ruled. the rulers have decided to go down this road of insanity, stupidity and moronity.
the only question is will we the ruled allow this transformation to happen?
if people accept the paradigm of goodies and baddies and therefore the need for protection from the mafia governments then it is all over for individuality, intelligence, genius, art, empathy, love, society, development etc. the military will take over and humans will end up in an orwellian nightmare half starved and completely brainwashed.
if, however, the people reject the politics of fear and demand the politics of individual development and accept all men and women as equal then we still have a chance.
this is the key to everything without racial and religious hatred the evil psychopath mafia governments have no power.
its not about groups its about behaviour. how long could the psychopaths last in power if society turned its back on them?
no more lies | 02.06.09 - 8:49 pm | #
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i would have to argue with your idea that morality comes from religion. which religion do you speak of?
it is my opinion that morality comes from independance of mind, which is the opposite to what all religions preach. what you are refering to is dogma, not morality. religion teaches obedience to taught dogma, not individual analysis and factual based decisions which is what is necessary in order to be moral. one cannot be moral by following others.
and doesnt the phrase "nature red in tooth and claw" originate from a religion? if you read history you will see that religion is often the reason for bringing out the worst in mankind. this happens when men give up their individual morality and conscience in subservience to a group or an authority figure as proven by stanley milgrim many years ago. this is exactly religions purpose, to seperate men from their morality, conscience and reality. once you get people to believe in the invisible man you can make them do anything.
i would say that anyone who professes allegiance to an organised religion is agreeing to follow a specific set of dogma. therefore their individual opinion has been subverted by an outside opinion, so their opinion becomes the same as the religios dogma. and thus their opinions are largely irrelevant as they are devoid of any critical analysis or basis in truth. religious dogma is the opposite of truth so adherance to this sort of dogma is an acceptance of lies which is also an acceptance of mental illness.
morality is the opposite of organised religion.
nature is only red in terms of feeding itself. nature does not kill for sport or territory. humans dont eat humans so there is absolutely no need for war. religion is too often used as an excuse for war, genocide and bigotry.
i would say morality comes from a rejection of society's indoctrinated jingoism and hatred. this is often accompanied by a rejection of organised dogmatic religion.
and finally it is also possible to be religious without being a theist as you describe. the idea of a god seems somehow childish to me without rejecting the idea of a higher power then man.
no more lies | 02.06.09 - 9:19 pm | #
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This whole world is a load of Bollocks.Everything we have ever been taught is the opposite of what is the truth. Once people understand the truth and hold it, they are no longer a slave to the "system" that runs this world. It frees them up completely. Once this freedom spreads there will be no stopping it and the Liars and greedy bastards who are deceiving us each and every day will be running scared because THEY know the truth and have hidden it from the people at the bottom of the pyramid heirarchy down through the ages. So when they tell you one thing, look in the opposite direction and you will be nearer the truth. Smoke and mirrors is no conspiracy theory, it is what is happening,and Obama is no saviour, he is as much a puppet as Bush was to Cheney and co. Same contents, different bottle.
How can a pussy cat go into a pack of wolves and not be eaten if he doesn't act like a wolf? (I'm not saying Obama is a pussy cat, this is just a fable, a way of putting it simply)
Obama is dead is he doesn't do as his handlers tell him,(he will have a "heart attack" or "plane crash" or some such other "accident" or "health problem") but he is made to appear that he is going to "change" things. OK he closed down Guatanamo, but what about the others that aren't making the headlines? He is appeasing the crowds with one act, and they love him for it. they are not seeing what's behind it, and are so mesmerised they have forgotton or don't realise there are other torture prisons that get no publicity.
NOTHING is going to change until the people change. The young all over the world are beginning to rise up and that is where any hope lays for the future. Right now all that is happening is demonstrations, and the demonstrators being made to look like trouble makers. Well, well, that's what they are, TROUBLE FOR THE COLD BLOODED REPTILES who would enslave all of us if they could, and they have made a good job of it so far.
Wake up people, go and wake others, get moving, stop talking about it. Us oldies don't have the energy or health to do it, but the youth have it, well those who have not been doped to the eyeballs, and X-boxed and ball gamed till they become zombies(a deliberate part of the Agenda, because it is always the youth that rise up to secure their futures) When people are crushed enough until it hurts, ONLY THEN will they do anything, they just cannot see the jackboot coming down on them.
Ghost Writer | 02.06.09 - 5:24 pm | # | |  | | Von Curtis | | Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:29 am Post subject: EMPOWERMENT |
| The solution it seems to me is decentralization of large banks and empowerment and competition to local communities. It would be in their best interests to disallow these mighty greedy self serving protected exalted bank status and allow competition such as neighborhood-community controlled banks and saving associations on a local levels. These monolithic criminal national banks that can't be bothered would soon sing a different tune as locals remove their assets to enterprises that are designed to further their local communities' interests and development and run and managed by and for locals...leave the world of high finance to the crooks yet the local retailer can get a equitable loan to expand and develop their business with the community/business leaders who could see and would know the benefits from doing so rather than what what's only good for their own singular benefits. They would be more prudent and intelligent and honest in their behalf than the big banks ever would.
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uk-and-europe/2009/02/15/d-day-veterans-turned-down-for-bank-account.php
In a civilised society it's not unreasonable to assist those who, due to uncontrollable circumstances, find themselves in temporary need. For example, when people get sick or in periods between employment where individuals are not in a financial position to support themselves. However this ought to be a concession, not an entitlement. Currently people 'claim benefit', for example. This is outrageous. The words 'claim' and 'benefit' imply entitlement. It ought to be 'apply' for 'relief', and temporary relief at that. There's no reason why able bodied individuals should be inactive at any point during this period of relief. Why weren't there whole teams of able-bodied unemployed out clearing the snow? That would have been useful to society in general, would it not? It would have prevented the financial loss incurred as a result of lost working hours and offset some of the cost of relief granted to the unemployed. There are many, many other tasks that might be useful. Neighbourhood watch patrols in rural areas given the absence of a police force, maintenance of infrastructure that might otherwise be left to fall into disrepair due to budgetary constraints. Why is there always an outcry when such programs are suggested? Why is this viewed as a form of punishment? I've heard some suggest it is 'humiliating' to insist those applying for relief be compelled to earn that relief. How can it be 'humiliating' for a person to earn their keep? Don't forget, we are only talking about the able-bodied. It is right for a society to care for it's sick and disabled members, I don't think anyone argues with that in this country. But when we have so many able-bodied people out of work and costing society such significant sums it makes me mad as hell when I listen to talk of entitlement. We are all born with certain rights but I'm certain the right to live by the sweat of another's brow is not one of those rights. The same applies to the rich who also seem to imagine they are entitled and compound problems by using human beings as raw material rather than viewing them as the most important assets in any organisation. Workers should never be sacked to maintain profits for the shareholders because that amounts to the shareholders penalising the taxpayer in order to maintain income the performance of their investment does not warrant. The last act of a company should be to shed its workforce yet it has become standard practice and even part of the annual business plan. This unwarranted notion that the shareholder ought to bear no risk has placed a terrible burden on the welfare state. There's nothing wrong with the principle of the welfare state. What's wrong is in the way it is perceived today and how it is administered and abused in light of such misperceptions
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uk-and-europe/2009/02/15/minister-i-couldn-t-live-on-benefits-page-2.php | | | | Von Curtis | | Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:25 am Post subject: they've been brainwashed, coopted and manipulated |
| the task is somehow to get people to understand how badly they've been brainwashed, coopted and manipulated
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From a comment on http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22142.htm
The art of propaganda has been perfected in the USA as in no other place. Now with critical thinking skills increasingly absent (ironically in the face of greater freedom of access to important information via the Internet [a long with a lot of misleading junk], we are stuck in the trap of mass illusion.
This does not make people inherently bad, just badly "had". The task is somehow to get people to understand how badly they've been brainwashed, coopted and manipulated, and I think the lever is, for anyone born after about 1975, chances of living a normal life span under the present arrangements, is very unlikely; though the young now hold older people in contempt (part of the brainwashing), as time goes on, the urge to live a complete life cycle reveals itself, and if the master trends of the social system are aimed at using you up and spitting you out to die before your time, well, that needs to be contemplated before it happens and is too late to do anything about.
much of evolution has proceeded by a cooperative principle. In the case of humans, that has taken the form of a Pragmatism, an in-built logic of "abduction" as defined by Charles S. Peirce and confirmed in the field by Gregory Bateson, as a facility for guessing correctly more often than not, which often means that natural selection is driven by "group selection" rather than the random prevailing of individual organisms with some slight genetic advantage from gene drift, mutation, random variation, etc. This cooperative facet is seen not just throughout nature, but most prominently in the history of homo sapiens up to modern times.
Therefore, if young people want to reclaim the ability to live a normal life-span, or avoid becoming enslaved in a work-to-death atmosphere, it is time to rethink most of what you have absorbed as the true state of things and resolve to look at alternatives where you work in conjunction with other like-minded people who understand that the challenge is to redefine how we relate socially, economically and personally. This is not a faux idealism, people will have to study and organize in secret in order to plan for what moves they can make to surmount a "necrophilic" [death-oriented] social system (another good term from Erich Fromm BTW).
To the distressed young, I simply say "radically rethink -- question everything you've been taught -- or die, it is up to you."
vicjoe | 03.04.09 - 4:09 pm | #
http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=22574#post22574 | | | | Von Curtis | | | | Von Curtis | | Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:04 am Post subject: truth as provided for us by our mother nature |
| our real god is the truth and even though a billion people maybe have forgotten, our real evolutionary goal is to find truth.
its time for society to step out of the matrix, finally. if finding out of some truth is the result of this change then it will be deemed successful by our god of truth.
we always have the choice to learn peacefully or violently. we did not take the easy way out which long term thinking would have suggested.
when jfk was shot they were allowed to sweep it under the carpet. all the sh#t that has happened politically since then was bad but still everyone voted and went along with things even though most knew it was all complete bullsh#t, obviously, i mean does anyone ever watch politicians 'debate' in a chamber its disgusting. enron was a microcosm of todays macrocosm, still no one cared.
nature was trying to tell us all along, time and again her law of truth exposed the true reality, but time after time we ignored, taking the easy way out. putting the weight of responsibility on the next generation, then the next, accumulating until this generation will have to answer for all the lies of our forebears.
ours is the weight of a hundred bloody murderous years and more. and now we get the final decision this time for keeps. lies or truth, which one does mankind favour most. this is the underlying question of all this mayhem and chaos. it will be decided in the hearts and minds of 7 billion people.
truth and learning? or the yoke of lying slavery?
we must turn our backs on the lies everywhere and once more turn our spirits towards the truth as provided for us by our mother nature.
and i would hasten to add no man or organisation can claim to know what mother nature is saying, it must be a personal and individual conversation and people who converse so are obvious to others by their harmlessness to others. therefore the opposite to truth is harm, violence and coercion.
nature is the only force in the known universe that seeks to order itself, every other system eventually decays but not nature, not yet anyway. if nature was allowed to guide us she would show us the path to calm consistency.' | | | | Von Curtis | | Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject: recognising our essential commonality, |
| recognising our essential commonality
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/255224#tab=comments&sc=0&contribute=&local=
At the end of the day, we are all worried about our families, our jobs; and a rather nasty future the self-appointed elites are setting up for us. Some describe this elite as the neo-fuedalists, which is probably as accurate as one can get.
At the risk of trotting out 3000 year old wisdoms, the answer lies in recognising our essential commonality, and what all people need. We need freedom to pursue fulfilling lives, obtain nutritious food, create shelter, maintain health and nurture our children and relationships.
To do this, we must control our governments, because if we don't others will. What we are doing here is engaging solidarity. We can then confront our governments eye to eye. But we also need to work from the bottom up.
Controlling our governments is not a matter of electing some corrupt politician to do our thinking for us, but in engaging with our own neighbourhood; identifying salient issues and considering relevant information, which facilitates consensus. Thus the power of one becomes people power.
Try it. It sounds impossible, but is actually easy. Call it a survey. All people love to be asked their opinions, and you won't encounter resistance. All people love to agree; which is why any two people agreeing always smile. We can't help it. As social animals, we are hard-wired this way.
Unlikely as this may sound, if we do this, and convey documented consensus to our local politician; he will eventually realise we are doing his job for him. Armed with the community's direct consensus, he knows that as long as he presents this faithfully to Parliament (Congress), you will re-elect him. This is his real goal, and it won't be long before he realises that his political party is an actual obstruction to being re-elected. You have a new ally in the enemy's ranks.
This is simple democracy, and it is infectious. Other neighbourhoods will copy; reinforcing each other.
This is not new, and it has functioned in hundreds of cultures and civilisations for eons. Somehow, the genuine histories have disappeared; but if you can locate the writings of the 1st millennia Irish Monks, they document the people power of Europe of that era; from Finland to Ireland.
Seeking community consensus will provide you with extraordinary confidence. This is because you will be armed with incontrovertible statistics; such as just what percentage of citizens are unemployed; what the average worker really earns; and what he or she really thinks about issues. The figures will terrify politicians and media owners, because you are using their propaganda to disarm them. | | | | Von Curtis | | | | Von Curtis | | Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: People know |
| http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uk-and-europe/2009/04/18/us-tourists-have-to-try-to-combat-the-ugly-american.php
Ideally that's true but in reality it's not. We act like sheep, we vote like partisan sheep, we allow government into all aspects of our lives in thousands of ways in the guise of pluralism, political correctness, nationalism, flag, "greenness", Empire, economy, "National Security", National interests", economic hegemony and advantage. fill in the blank_____" essentially "snake oil cures" at all costs for select interests, never the common good for all despite their words that they are yet we all know they are not. Our government exists to protect the financial and economic status quo. 'We the People' suffer the survival of the fittest yet the banks, the Federal Reserve, Wall Street, the military industrial complex, these phony self made bastions of 'capitalism' must be always maintained because if it didn't? What? Viet Nam, Korea, Iraq, Iran will be marching up Pennsylvania Avenue as a result?
All our problems today are all the result of special interest government micromanaging a thousand affairs serving the monied interest who are loyal only to themselves and their visions, agendas and self interests who bribe them. control and dictate, bureaucratize as their 'Watchdogs" and who corrupt and keep them financially in power and in the end return the favor.
I'm rereading "The Arms of Krupp" and the parallels between government, banks and the military and that past to today is only different in that Krupp was largely a singular institution and today there are a hundred type of "Krupps".
The "Joe Sixpacks", the common people who essentially just want to be left the hell alone financially, socially, morally who just want basic accountable fire, police protection, decent accountable schools, proper roads, a military for self defense, a humanitarian social safety net that eliminates hunger is all we should expect. We know/knew the dangers or have forgotten them and that's not good enough. Baaah and bleeting.
We as individuals for whatever the reasons, politics have allowed a perpetual albatross and monkey on our backs in perpetuity and all the deplorable crapfests we have today. You cannot reform it because government never retracts, never votes away its power or control because it comes first. All other pay cash. You have to decentralize to allow accountability and diminish the power that a few can dictate to the many. They're dishonest and they're liars, we know it and yet it continues.
We as individuals get the government we deserve because we allow it and have forsaken our most basic birthright and responsibility that 'self government" promised.
http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/uk-and-europe/2009/03/05/binyamin-mohamed-released-gitmo-detainee-statement.php
Amazing, isn't it. We have govt representatives torturing people and our govt. apparently isn't aware of this, and you have representatives who torture folk but they won't be held to account as somebody somewhere gave them permission to do so.
We have some nice people working for us. What should we do, fire them?
R: With this incompetent bunch of scum on either side of the pond? Simple: fire at them. No questions asked. No answers given. No need to inquire. Case closed. | | | | Cowboy | | Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:33 am Post subject: |
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The "Joe Sixpacks", the common people who essentially just want to be left the hell alone financially, socially, morally who just want basic accountable fire, police protection, decent accountable schools, proper roads, a military for self defense, a humanitarian social safety net that eliminates hunger is all we should expect. |
Why should it be government that provides all of those? For government to provide services, it requires government to decide what is morally proper and to force people to pay according to its decisions of who should pay what and who should get what. Is that what you consider being 'left the hell alone' ??? | | | | Jefferson Davis | | Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject: |
| | Quote: | | Why should it be government that provides all of those? For government to provide services, it requires government to decide what is morally proper and to force people to pay according to its decisions of who should pay what and who should get what. Is that what you consider being 'left the hell alone' ??? |
You have no conceptual idea of minimal limited mandated government, government accountability or the difference between local , State and Federal responsibility or obligation.
Did you even take one civics class in high school or college?
Hey, as long as Israel get her check..what the hell do you care? | | | | | ©2002-2009 WarWithoutEnd.co.uk |
